(Knife) Attacks

[Chuc]

Lets make a list

• Melee is not being removed
• Melee is being changed to place more stress on attack timing rather than rapidly clicking
• Animations reflect this change, of course
• Differences between hand-to-hand and bayonet fighting have been worked on
• But fundamentally, the system serves the same purpose

[Truism]

<3 Chuc.

[Rudd]

My opinion is that the bayonet really has no need on the modern battlefield of PR. While it could save your life in a real war, the fact is that people rarely ever run out of ammunition in a PR match prior to either respawning or finding a resupply point. If the bayonet stays, no big deal. Players need to stop doing stupid shit they used to do in vanilla, like running around with a knife in their hand thinking they are Rambo.

to be honest I agree

as much fun as knifing is

there is no 100% stealthy kill in PR thanks to voip and teamchat

you can't fire your weapon and have the bayonet on at the same time

so really, maybe it should be removed completely and replaced with something more useful gameplay wise

my vote would be for an undeployed mode for all scoped rifles, but thats just me

and if anything it would make supply lines even more important

I keep finding people who say "I've never run out of ammo in PR"

I say "you aint been shooting enough then!"

[LUKE_NUKE_EM]

to be honest I agree

as much fun as knifing is

there is no 100% stealthy kill in PR thanks to voip and teamchat

you can't fire your weapon and have the bayonet on at the same time

so really, maybe it should be removed completely and replaced with something more useful gameplay wise

my vote would be for an undeployed mode for all scoped rifles, but thats just me

and if anything it would make supply lines even more important

I keep finding people who say "I've never run out of ammo in PR"

I say "you aint been shooting enough then!"

I agree with everything you just said. The deployed mode for scoped rifles would help you not get killed all the time with an ACOG in CQC.

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Rudd;1227421']
there is no 100% stealthy kill in PR thanks to voip and teamchat

You don't stay in the same place after you've knifed, thats just silly.

you can't fire your weapon and have the bayonet on at the same time

Only two weapons that use the bayonet ON the weapon are the AK-47 for the Chechens, and the Brits SA80 one. They are used for stealth kills, not bayonet rushes. Bayonet rushes don't work in PR unless the enemy are a group of downers.

so really, maybe it should be removed completely and replaced with something more useful gameplay wise. my vote would be for an undeployed mode for all scoped rifles, but thats just me

Deployed scoped rifles? Giving the insurgents one more thing they have to worry about is a bad idea. Making the scoped G3 into more of a sniper than it already is, is also.

I keep finding people who say "I've never run out of ammo in PR" I say "you aint been shooting enough then!"

I've ran out of ammo once, to be honest the good PR player shoots only when needed. Stealth, speed and accuracy.

Lets make a list

Good, if it is large stabbing motion that takes awhile inbetween goes then I'm all for it.

[Celestial1]

You don't stay in the same place after you've knifed, thats just silly.

Only two weapons that use the bayonet ON the weapon are the AK-47 for the Chechens, and the Brits SA80 one. They are used for stealth kills, not bayonet rushes. Bayonet rushes don't work in PR unless the enemy are a group of downers.

Deployed scoped rifles? Giving the insurgents one more thing they have to worry about is a bad idea. Making the scoped G3 into more of a sniper than it already is, is also.

I've ran out of ammo once, to be honest the good PR player shoots only when needed. Stealth, speed and accuracy

It's quite easy to say "I just got knifed, he's somewhere to your South, guys"

It's possible to have a bayonet rush if done properly with a lot of confusion beforehand.

Scoped G3 into more of a sniper rifle = G3SG1 Marksman, which is ALSO getting a deployed mode in v0.9 as it is. G3 is a battle rifle, meaning it's supposed to be accurate out to larger ranges.

Stealth, speed, and overwhelming force.*

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It's quite easy to say "I just got knifed, he's somewhere to your South, guys"

It's possible to have a bayonet rush if done properly with a lot of confusion beforehand.

Scoped G3 into more of a sniper rifle = G3SG1 Marksman, which is ALSO getting a deployed mode in v0.9 as it is. G3 is a battle rifle, meaning it's supposed to be accurate out to larger ranges.

Stealth, speed, and overwhelming force.*

You're looking vertical. How on earth would you be able to know where the enemy is running after he knifed you?

I'd like to see it. So far I've never seen one that is worth the risk, plus in PR 99% of the time there isn't mass confusion as there isn't enough players, and there is too much space.

Clearly I wasn't talking about the G3SG1 champ, I'm talking about the regular scoped rifle for the rifleman, which, if the G3SG1 is getting it, doesn't really need. iirc they have the same barrel length, caliber and so forth, the only difference being the SG1 has a bipod and different scope mount. So, technically, if the regular scoped G3 gets a deployed mode, it should be almost exactly as accurate as the SG1.

Overwhelming force? Not really. If you have stealth and speed you can take out a squad solo. Thats how I run my squads and I've only failed once.

[gazzthompson]

Good, if it is large stabbing motion that takes awhile inbetween goes then I'm all for it.

you missed every point.

1. even if you do move a quick "guy behind" on voip will cause a squad to turn around and shoot you.

2. see point 1.

3. no, not deployed but undeployed ala the current SAW's so the rifles with scopes with have some effectiveness in CQB As you could "shoulder" your rifle like in real life and shoot "down the barrel"

[Truism]

Clearly I wasn't talking about the G3SG1 champ, I'm talking about the regular scoped rifle for the rifleman, which, if the G3SG1 is getting it, doesn't really need. iirc they have the same barrel length, caliber and so forth, the only difference being the SG1 has a bipod and different scope mount. So, technically, if the regular scoped G3 gets a deployed mode, it should be almost exactly as accurate as the SG1.

Battle Rifle armed counties like Pakistan actually only claim similar shooting results to their Assault Rifle armed counterparts.

The listed range for effective fire produced by a Pakistani rifleman with a G3 is 300m.


In practise I'm almost sure they'd be vastly more effective at greater range.


From memory the G3SG1 also has a better barrel, and they are individually tested to much higher standards than stock G3's, resulting in markedly superior MOA.

[badmojo420]

Knife should be removed, and the animation changed to using the butt of the rifle. But, it wouldn't change anything game play wise.

my vote would be for an undeployed mode for all scoped rifles, but thats just me

Is there a reason for the deviation/accuracy/recoil being worse when 'firing from the hip'? I seem to remember the words hard coded, but I can't remember exactly.

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you missed every point.

1. even if you do move a quick "guy behind" on voip will cause a squad to turn around and shoot you.

2. see point 1.

3. no, not deployed but undeployed ala the current SAW's so the rifles with scopes with have some effectiveness in CQB As you could "shoulder" your rifle like in real life and shoot "down the barrel"

Usually when someone refers to 'deployed' mode in PR, they are referring to the way the MG's can be deployed. How am I supposed to know the difference when he is talking about something completely different yet using the opposite terminology?

Is there even enough buttons to have this on the scroll menu?

And if I 'missed every point' why did you quote me on something completly irrelevant to what you had to say?

Don't waste my time, please.

[Bringerof_D]

stab - i hit KO *in - twist - remove*

slash - 2-3 hits *slash*

[Bonsai]

Clearly I wasn't talking about the G3SG1 champ, I'm talking about the regular scoped rifle for the rifleman, which, if the G3SG1 is getting it, doesn't really need. iirc they have the same barrel length, caliber and so forth, the only difference being the SG1 has a bipod and different scope mount. So, technically, if the regular scoped G3 gets a deployed mode, it should be almost exactly as accurate as the SG1.

The listed range for effective fire produced by a Pakistani rifleman with a G3 is 300m.

From memory the G3SG1 also has a better barrel, and they are individually tested to much higher standards than stock G3's, resulting in markedly superior MOA.

Weapon - MOA - accuracy in mm; distance 100m; accuracy in cm; distance 600m

G3ZF - 2,75 MOA - 80mm /100m - 48cm/600m
G3SG1 - 1,46 MOA - 40-45mm/100m - 25,5cm/600m
(PSG1 - 1 MOA - 29 mm/100m - 17,5cm/600m)

G3ZF is the scoped version of the G3. It is tested to higher standards - especially the barell.

G3SG1 comes with a scope and a bipod. It is tested to higher standards - especially the barell. And has a modified trigger.

On topic:

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Weapon - MOA - accuracy in mm; distance 100m; accuracy in cm; distance 600m

G3ZF - 2,75 MOA - 80mm /100m - 48cm/600m
G3SG1 - 1,46 MOA - 40-45mm/100m - 25,5cm/600m
(PSG1 - 1 MOA - 29 mm/100m - 17,5cm/600m)

G3ZF is the scoped version of the G3. It is tested to higher standards - especially the barell.

G3SG1 comes with a scope and a bipod. It is tested to higher standards - especially the barell. And has a modified trigger.

Thanks for the numbers, but in PR that means absolutely nothing.

Anyway turns out he meant deployed as in the undeployed mode of the LMG's which makes no sense, and he expected me to understand that.

[Scot]

Welcome to pub PR mate, if you want something done, do it yourself, if you think you have friendlies watching your ***, you don't.
Lastnight I killed a whole squad by using the bayonet after, believe it or not, my PPSh ran out of ammo at the flight control tower on Fools. The huge range of it allows for killing over bunker walls and whatnot, plus the fact of the matter remains that they are not going to be getting back up from some random medic in 2 minutes.

IIRC, there is no bayonet on the PPSH class?

Everyone please calm down in this thread, discussion is encouraged, argument is punished

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IIRC, there is no bayonet on the PPSH class?

Everyone please calm down in this thread, discussion is encouraged, argument is punished

Sorry didn't make that clear enough, the bayonet KNIFE (number 1 in the class)

I'm not angry, anger on the intertubes is a waste of time

[Tim270]

1. even if you do move a quick "guy behind" on voip will cause a squad to turn around and shoot you.

However, if performed correctly, you still have a tactical advantage, no shots are fired thus making it hard for the rest of the squad to pinpoint where you are. If you have half a brain you will run and hide after knifing someone in a group and set an ambush.

So, mele is not going anywhere but becoming more of a mele attack? e.g buttstock smash or something to that effect?

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However, if performed correctly, you still have a tactical advantage, no shots are fired thus making it hard for the rest of the squad to pinpoint where you are. If you have half a brain you will run and hide after knifing someone in a group and set an ambush.

Well said, plus it has a huge psychological advantage as the enemy knows that you got behind them regardless of how on-their-toes they were.

But a buttstock smash is fine as well, anything which kills instantly (a buttstock smash to the back of the neck would do some hard damage right?) so they can't revive is 100% cool.

[gazzthompson]

However, if performed correctly, you still have a tactical advantage, no shots are fired thus making it hard for the rest of the squad to pinpoint where you are. If you have half a brain you will run and hide after knifing someone in a group and set an ambush.

true but its still not a stealth attack because even tho you have killed someone he can easily say to the rest of the squad what happened, they will be alert and on guard, rudds point.

Usually when someone refers to 'deployed' mode in PR, they are referring to the way the MG's can be deployed. How am I supposed to know the difference when he is talking about something completely different yet using the opposite terminology?

Is there even enough buttons to have this on the scroll menu?

And if I 'missed every point' why did you quote me on something completly irrelevant to what you had to say?

Don't waste my time, please.

i understood what he meant, rather than just assume what he meant (wrongly) why did you not just ask?

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i understood what he meant, rather than just assume what he meant (wrongly) why did you not just ask?

I didn't understand what he meant as this is the first I've heard of this 'deployed rifles' idea.

Ask? Coulda, woulda, shoulda.

Edit: DERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRP just reread his post, realized it said UNDEPLOYED rifles, not deployed, my bad