Hammer for taliban,insurgents,miltia,chechnya

[alberto_di_gio]

If you go this far you're doing it wrong:
YouTube - Whoops Apocalypse - SAS vs Waxworks Museum

ok..now that was funny

[kanonator]

I think the breaching shotguns are good enough.

[Redamare]

I guess....... ahhaha hammer or AXE ...... haha

[Kim Jong ill]

This is disgusting, you bureaucratic freaks are shutting down a perfectly acceptable suggesting because he can't find documentation proving it? If this is a justifiable approach then why is the breaching shotgun in game for the insurgents? Care to show me some evidence of insurgents using frangible breaching rounds? Care to show me some evidence of insurgents using shotguns to breach doors at all?

The attitude of this forum is so arse backwards it's not funny, you people will go to all lengths possible to stint creativity and change even when it would be more suiting. Not to mention people can't even be bothered to read the whole thread before offering the half arsed opinions (Looking at you privetB) He's already said he would model it, so how about everyone who isn't a dev shut your mouth about what the best use of the Dev's time is, because it's up to them to decide not you!

[ReadMenace]

I believe the 'Breaching Slugs' is a minor oversight in .9

The Taliban are the only faction that still have them as a weapon, though I believe it is only the selection icon -- every faction should have 00 buckshot for their respective kits.

Everyone needs to unclench, drink some metamucil and chill out.

-REad

[Chuc]

How can we easily give the Taliban the ability to open doors without giving them another primary weapon? Breaching slug weapon.

Realistic? Nope.. but as a short term solution it works great.

[Scot]

I thought this thread was about the cool hammer...



Anyhoo, like masterco, I would wonder if the insurgents/militia would carry a heavy hammer around?

[gazzthompson]

Anyhoo, like masterco, I would wonder if the insurgents/militia would carry a heavy hammer around?

exactly, but according to 'Kim Jong ill' we are 'disgusting, bureaucratic freaks' for asking the OP to source his claim.

[Kirra]

exactly, but according to 'Kim Jong ill' we are 'disgusting, bureaucratic freaks' for asking the OP to source his claim.

Way to take this whole thing waaaay out of context. Well done mate, really well done.


You don't need to find sources for everything in PR you know. Sometimes, common sense is enough. Besides, a sledge hammer for breaching would be more realistic than breaching slugs for Taliban, Insurgents and Militia.

[gazzthompson]

Besides, a sledge hammer for breaching would be more realistic than breaching slugs for Taliban, Insurgents and Militia.

no it wouldn't. well that was a productive debate.

[hartbilt]

I believe gazz wants to know if insurgents use sledgehammers in reality, because if there are no sources that say so, why bothering implementing this suggestion in the first place? I personally never saw a photo or read an article on insurgents using sledgehammers, why would they carry a heavy hammer if they fight on a "hit and run" principle?

Anyone have an article or pic. of Taliban using Shotguns for door breaching either??

Sledge is arguably the 2nd most used breaching tool, commonly used w/ Haligan tool

BlackHawk Thundersledge. "ThunderSledge is an essential addition to any breaching kit"

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I rather have breaching charges.

[hartbilt]

Effective method #2

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[gazzthompson]

id rather have a breaching shotgun as an analogy to all sorts of means to opening a door (kicking, shooting, rifle butt etc) and still have a weapon than use a tool that *might* be used (tho no one has cited a source yet) and use up the slot with a one use item.

[hartbilt]

"c. Mechanical breaching is planned as a backup to a ballistic or explosive breach. Mechanical breaching is an assumed capability within all units. Taking the time to defeat weak barriers, such as doors or windows, by means of crowbars, saws, sledgehammers, battering rams, axes, or other breaching tools is a decision that must be made based on the conditions of METT-TC."

Army FM3-06.11

FM 3-06.11 Chapter 3

[gazzthompson]

"Hammer for taliban,insurgents,miltia,chechnya"

[hartbilt]

"Hammer for taliban,insurgents,miltia,chechnya"

Yeah, I figured that would be the reply. I think this is a pointless suggestion aways (as the game is concerned), but as far as sledges being used for door breaching - yes it's common practice. As far as what standard common practices of groups like "taliban,insurgents,miltia" who knows really?? Can someone provide evidence of these groups having standards/common practices for door breach??

[gazzthompson]

Can someone provide evidence of these groups having standards/common practices for door breach??

i cannot, so my default stance is they would employ the easiest method which arguably would be kicking the buggers down or using the weapons they have.

[Spinkyone]

(tho no one has cited a source yet)

Oh hi there. You might have missed this news story in December last year but it was definitely a bunch of pissed off Islamic militants using sledgehammers. Have a nice day.

EDIT: More reputable but aftermath sources:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/8855723
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wir ... id=9323331

[Arnoldio]

Because you cannot find any shots of inurgents pissing, does that mean that they dont?

I mean come on stop being arses, its a cool idea nonetheless.

[gazzthompson]

https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f22-mi ... urces.html

This should apply to the suggestion forum as well.

Because you cannot find any shots of inurgents pissing, does that mean that they dont?

I mean come on stop being arses, its a cool idea nonetheless.

lol, i asked for a source on a claim based on "reality" and people are having a go at me? seriously? sourcing is the basis of any argument, deal with it.