Will PR work smoothly on my compter ?

[broz70]

i don't know he power supply but here is the same model and make..

OptiPlex GX620

[broz70]

Documentation

[MaSSive]

Well by the docs Im wrong its PCI-E slot. Odd looking one though. If 6450 wouldn't want to work with it I doubt any other better will. 6450 is low end graphic card its not meant for gaming. Its not spending much power, while high end graphic cards require much more Watts from you PSU and additional power supply line connected to it.

You will probably need to buy better power supply and a graphic card. If you can buy a complete new PC, this one is pretty much outdated.

[LITOralis.nMd]

That motherboard is not going to accept any Radeon HD 6450.

The motherboard is only PCI Express 1.0a standard for the Pcie-16x slot , you will need to go find a card from the older generation of PCI-E 2.0 video cards, like a HD 4650 or HD 4670 that is truly compatible with the PCI Express 1.0a.

The PCI-E 2.1 graphics cards are NOT always compatible. And the PCI-E 3 cards like the HD 6450 you bought also have problems.

You basically are looking for a graphics card manufactured before mid-2009. You also want to find a card that sips power, as your PSU is 300W but is older so it has reduced output due to aging.

Here is a list from Newegg, at a minmum as said above a HD 4650 or 8600GT would be the minimum.
Make sure you do not buy a card that uses too much Wattage.

I'd suggest a HD 4650, HD4670, or GeForce GT430 or GT440
make sure it is PCI-E 2.0 and not PCI-E 2.1 !!


Here is a big list:

Newegg.com - Computer Hardware, Video Cards & Video Devices, Desktop Graphics Cards, 512MB, 1GB, 768MB, PCI Express 2.0 x16, 1280MB, 90

[broz70]

you think i should get this one,

Newegg.com - MSI R4350-MD1GD3H/LP Radeon HD 4350 1GB 64-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready Low Profile Video Card

[Daniel]

That's a HD 4350, broz, LITOralis wrote this: "I'd suggest a HD 4650, HD4670, or GeForce GT430 or GT440"

I would get an Nvidia GeForce, they're better imo and I always used GeForce's (7650 GS (bad), 9600 GT (quite ok) and now GTX 570 (awesome) ).

My older 9600 GT was juuust a little too weak to play huge maps on highest settings, so I recommend u at least a 9800 GT(X?) or even those (by LITOralis) recommended "GeForce GT430 or GT440":


GT 440

Zotac:
1GB but currently out of stock: Newegg.com - ZOTAC ZT-40704-10L GeForce GT 440 (Fermi) 1GB 128-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card
2GB, availible: Newegg.com - ZOTAC ZT-40707-10L GeForce GT 440 (Fermi) 2GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card

EVGA: Newegg.com - EVGA 01G-P3-1441-KR GeForce GT 440 1024MB (Fermi) DUAL DVI PCI Express 2.0 x16 Video Card



GT 430

Zotac: Newegg.com - ZOTAC ZT-40604-10L GeForce GT 430 (Fermi) 1GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card,
here even 2 instead of 1 GB: Newegg.com - ZOTAC ZT-40608-10L GeForce GT 430 (Fermi) 2GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card

EVGA: Newegg.com - EVGA 01G-P3-1433-KR GeForce GT 430 (Fermi) 1GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready Low Profile Ready Video Card

[broz70]

ok thx.. one question will these cards work with my pc first time?

[MaSSive]

If your PCI-E slot is not damaged and if your PSU has enough Watts to supply them then yes.

You should disable your onboard graphic chip in BIOS and set it to boot on PEG/PCI-E graphic card, shut it down, install new card, make sure its seated properly, connect any power lines to it if required, and then turn your PC back on.

BEFORE YOU DO ANYTHING INSIDE YOU PC DISCONNECT POWER LINE FIRST AND GROUND YOURSELF.

[Daniel]

I'd also wait before order until the DEVs here (e.g. LITOralis) makes a suggestion 4 any special graphics card... 4 one of the named above for example.


and just short offtopic (pls tolerate ): y the hell does that guys neck in that clip remind me of this: 1st, 2nd and 3rd clip

[LITOralis.nMd]

My honest opinion without sitting in fron t of the PC to look at it,

If your PC has the original power supply unit (PSU) from the factory, it is unlikely to be able to supply enough Watts to power a GPU.

The GeForce GT430 1GB Max Power Draw: 49 W
The Radeon HD4650 1GB PCie Max Power Draw: 48 W

Make a gamble:
Buy one of the above and plug it in following Massive's directions above.

If your PC can not supply enough power, you have to buy a new PSU.

If buying a new PSU, you can optionally then upgrade to the GeForce GT440 or Radeon HD4670, but it will cost more and the upgrade is going to be a a small increment improvement, it isn't going to be amazing.

For BF2 R, the GT430 and HD4650 will be fine at med/high details.

Here's a link comparing the GT430 1GB and the HD4650 Pcie 1GB
Video Card Comparison - GPUReview.com

[broz70]

thx for the help guys.

this is my PSU

http://i42.tinypic.com/35i6b6o.jpg

to be honest I don't understand anything on it

and also my computer is the slim version

http://www.world-it.pl/img/p/46-91-thickbox.jpg

OptiPlex GX620 Series (Desktop, Mini-Tower, and Small Form Factor)

[Daniel]

hmmmm. "max. continuous output power is 280 W " ...

Ouch... slim version... will a card fit in there?

[broz70]

thats why i am cautious of buying one, as i said before last time i bought a card for this computer, it broke and the card was just to big for the case. can i buy or install and integrated graphics card (chip) like the one i am using but 10x as better.

this is the card that i got before and did not work

http://www.3000rpm.com/acatalog/5634277 ... 86-300.jpg

[broz70]

will my current PSU able to supply any cards?

[Daniel]

I don't know. Wait for an expert to answer here (a DEV probably).

[MaSSive]

Your power supply unit is not sufficient. Its total 280W combined output and it will not be able to power any of those cards.

What you need to do is to upgrade your PSU to at least 450 - 500W, but since that PC is OEM, chances are its PSU is not in standard size, so 'regular' power supply units will not be fitting in your case. Just a guess, you need to check this.

Then you can concentrate to graphic card. Were you able to fit this card to your case properly?



This card is low profile model designed to fit in slim cases and alike. If you were not able to fit this one in, I'm afraid you will not be able to fit any of mentioned.

If so, you will need to go to third option of purchasing a larger case, and repacking your components in new larger case, so you can get better PSU, and install better graphic card.


Bottom line, I think it might be best for you to go to your local repair shop, and explain what kind of PC you have and what do you want to do with it ( upgrade a graphic card ), and they will give you adequate solution. This is if you think you will not be able to manage it yourself.

[broz70]

i was able to get the card in, it was only a couple of CM out so i was not able to get the side panel on probably but i am not really bothered about it because i can just lean the side panel on the case..

[MaSSive]

Well in case you go with GT440 for example Newegg.com - MSI N440GT-MD1GD3/LP GeForce GT 440 (Fermi) 1GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card

you can see on Nvidia specs page for the card that minimum PSU requirement is 300W

GeForce GT 440 - GeForce

Yours is 280W so its really on the limit and a bit under it.

As Litoralis said, you might try to gamble and get this card, and if it wont power up, you will need to get new power supply unit.

I already said that your PSU might not be standard size, so check that first before you do anything. I already explained above what you need to do if this is the case.

[broz70]

sorry i don't understand the "PSU not being a standard size"

[MaSSive]

sorry i don't understand the "PSU not being a standard size"

ATX - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is standard size PSU




This is non standard used in HTPC's and OEM builds, one of them