heads up: v0.5: vBF2 maps, Night Maps, 16p maps

Post by **eggman** » 2007-01-20 18:21

vBF2 maps
Eating some words I've said in the past.... we'll be dropping vBF2 maps from PR v0.5.

In a future release we'll bring back 2 to 4 of the best vBF2 maps, but they will be re-jigged CP layouts to make them better suited to Project Reality.

Night Maps
We'll also be dropping night maps until we make some decisions on whether we can fix the issues with night maps.

16p Maps
From v0.5 forward, 16p maps will be optomised for league & ladder play. We likely won't get all maps done for v0.5, but I expect that by v0.6 we'll have converted all 16p AAS mode map variations over to follow the general rules that ladders and leagues play by.

We'll probably make a download available of the old maps on the forums, but not as part of an official PR release or download.

Map Audit
Rhino and the mappers have been going through a very deailed and labor intensive "audit" of the maps available in Project Reality. Some of the changes in v0.5 necessitate a complete overhaul of most maps to comply with some new mapping guidelines we have developed (which we'll publicise after the release of v0.5).

v0.5 will include around 20 maps, all custom community maps or maps designed specifically by PR map developers. With the audt changes applied, these maps should be a much better fit for Project Reality and will also give us a chance to try out some of the new game play elements and mapping guidelines.

Jackass_miu · Post by **Jackass_miu** » 2007-01-20 18:31

cooooool

Post by **Rhino** » 2007-01-20 18:33

We may get some vBF2 maps done intime for 0.5, but I aint going to count on it as it means more testing.

Nightmaps have gone mainly cos they where all clones on vBF2 maps, and for a start, you guys dont really like vBF2 maps from what we can see much and it increased the size of the mod by around 250mbs for maps, no one plays. This space can be used for many other things like new maps etcs or just make the mod download that much smaller to encourage more people to download it

16man maps are going to be made into infantry only combat for league and ladder play. They still can and should be played on public servers but they are being balanced with clan gaming in mind and not public gaming. We all know when we want to play on public servers most of us dont look for 16man map servers anyways

As for the Map Audit, I and some of the other mappers have been going over every map compltly redoing all the spawn times etc. Put it this way I have not been able to start a new project yet to do all of this for 0.5, I'm doing goods station as I wright this. There will be lots of map bugs that will be caused by this with out a dout with the way the editor sometimes corrupts the combat zones on save and gameplay of alot of mappers will complety change. So its not a easy tweaks we are having to make.

Anyways just hope you like the small changes like this that we are doing for 0.5, that should make a big impact on gameplay

Clypp · Post by **Clypp** » 2007-01-20 18:33

The only good vBF2 map for PR is Oman. Not a huge loss.

I have no idea what kind of optimization is being done to the 16p maps.

I've got this feeling that 0.5 is just around the corner!

Post by **GeZe** » 2007-01-20 18:36

I will be sad to see Mushtaar city go, ah all the memories. In the earlier days when there were no custom maps, and there weren't many people playing PR, Mushtaar 16 player was great.

Oh, and I see no harm to publicize the mapping guidelines now, for mappers who are working on maps at the moment.

Hawk_345 · Post by **Hawk_345** » 2007-01-20 18:37

Very ncie to hear the vbf2 maps are being droped, somea er good, but they wee not made for Pr so they need to be changed or kept out, i am however sad to ehar the night maps are gone, hopefully you guys can make them work for another realease. still with 20 PR made maps, it will be great.

Post by **Rhino** » 2007-01-20 18:37

Clypp wrote:I have no idea what kind of optimization is being done to the 16p maps.

the only main changes to 16 man maps, apart from all the rest of the new standards we are putting in is that there are no vehicles in the 16man maps now and they are being jigged for infantry only combat

Post by **Rhino** » 2007-01-20 18:39

Hawk_345 wrote:i am however sad to ehar the night maps are gone, hopefully you guys can make them work for another realease. still with 20 PR made maps, it will be great.

I could make them work, it would just take a hell of along time lightmapping etc but in the end it would still be a clone of a vBF2 map, that was just dark. What we really need is maps that are only nightmaps and have no day version to them

Hawk_345 · Post by **Hawk_345** » 2007-01-20 18:40

ok then, i just hope we will get specifically designed night maps as soon as posible, because at night evrything will be come harder and u will need teamplay, also the tracers will look cool, and of course it is realistic.

[ECGN]BTT · Post by **[ECGN]BTT** » 2007-01-20 18:42

Correct me if I am wrong. Are you saying you have wiped the slate clean in regards to maps. The 20 that come with .5 will be the only twenty to play on. You are not adding 20 more maps?

element365 · Post by **element365** » 2007-01-20 18:45

More maps are great, but the only problem is that no popular servers ever play them all. Thors for example only does EJOD, Mutrah, Abadan, Mashtur, and one other map I think.

[ECGN]BTT · Post by **[ECGN]BTT** » 2007-01-20 18:45

'[R-DEV wrote:Rhino']I could make them work, it would just take a hell of along time lightmapping etc but in the end it would still be a clone of a vBF2 map, that was just dark. What we really need is maps that are only nightmaps and have no day version to them

What about the SF maps. Devils Porch I think its called, might work well for PR.

Post by **Rhino** » 2007-01-20 18:48

'[ECGN wrote:BTT']Correct me if I am wrong. Are you saying you have wiped the slate clean in regards to maps. The 20 that come with .5 will be the only twenty to play on. You are not adding 20 more maps?

we are not wiping the slate clean of maps... there will still be plenty maps to play after we have got rid of the nightmaps and stockmaps. 20 is more than enough for you guys. I think vBF2 has 12maps when it came out if im correct?

Maistros · Post by **Maistros** » 2007-01-20 19:00

He is saying that there will be around 20 maps to play, even with the vBF2 maps gone.

Mekstizzle · Post by **Mekstizzle** » 2007-01-20 19:02

I was hoping this happened. vBF2 maps are fun and load quick but don't work well in PR. This should also keep the filesize down (or keep it roughly the same as it is now), i was looking at the map files and some of the night maps are huge yet they suck so bad. (No offence)

I think there's enough maps. Infact pre 0.4 you guys were obsessed with maps (that's what i think). To me, PR pre 0.4 seemed all about "content" (especially adding the british faction, which kinda seems wasteful for a reality mod) instead of focusing on actual issues. It's good now that you're getting round to some of the issues instead of thinking "Lets keep adding new stuff, new maps but who cares if its not realistic!". Alot of them were fixed in 0.4 though, the Kit limiting was the best thing ever.

Maistros · Post by **Maistros** » 2007-01-20 19:10

That's because they're designed in a predictable way. Now that PR is becoming completely unpredictable, it will be much less boring and routine in ALL maps.. including custom designed night maps.

Shooty McStabbyface · Post by **Shooty McStabbyface** » 2007-01-20 19:14

Bummer. Am I the only one that loved that PR had night maps?

Maistros · Post by **Maistros** » 2007-01-20 19:17

I'm sure there will be some to come. I love night maps, but I want to see them done right. That is all the development team is attempting to do. The night maps are a good idea but because they are vanilla maps, at night.. they are not played. I'm sure when some well designed maps pop up and are set in the night time, the option will be open again.

Post by **Rhino** » 2007-01-20 19:26

Shooty McStabbyface wrote:Bummer. Am I the only one that loved that PR had night maps?

if you look at the poll for nightmaps you will find the poll for ppl who liked the vbf2 nightmaps very low.