Naughty civilians

Threedroogs · Post by **Threedroogs** » 2007-09-15 21:21

Heliocentric wrote:no... your looking at it wong, punish civvy suicides like they were stabbed.

Problem solved.

not bad...

Hx.Clavdivs · Post by **Hx.Clavdivs** » 2007-09-16 00:56

Actually, double it. That should stop it. Permanently.

Sound dumb as heck, but if a gamer sees his own impending doom, some might argue that why not suicide? That way the tango don't get the satisfaction of knifing a pixel.

Post by **CodeRedFox** » 2007-09-16 04:15

I love this comment "If I see a civilian running my squad a muck I put two rounds into them." Good job, mean while your points are dropping, and I believe you get long spawn times?

Then these same guys come on the boards yelling "The Brit never win on ALB and the spawn time are really high"

SGT.JOKER · Post by **SGT.JOKER** » 2007-09-16 04:36

Ill admit ive shot a civi on purpose from time to time for 3 main reasons, hes either spotting my squad mates, taunting me while im under fire with his rocks or he jumps in the damn water

Post by **Outlawz7** » 2007-09-16 06:12

If it wasn't for the civilians, then no one would want to play Insurgents, as they'd get raped by everything, since the British/US side wouldn't have to care any penalties
That way, Insurgents get an annoying advantage over US/GB, since they are not a conventional force and can't fight their enemies on the same technological level.

Then again, sometimes it would be better, if there was a code or something to limit the number of civilians on a team, since sometimes there's too much civilians and not enough Insurgents fighting and it would also force the civi's to actually do, what they are supposed to do, not jog around getting knifed and being total idiots.
Or turn the civi class into a pick up kit?

Post by **Outlawz7** » 2007-09-16 06:15

Hx.Clavdivs wrote:Actually, double it. That should stop it. Permanently.

Sound dumb as heck, but if a gamer sees his own impending doom, some might argue that why not suicide? That way the tango don't get the satisfaction of knifing a pixel.

I'll still do that, rather spawn for ages, than give that bunnyhopping spec op dik, who just prone dived and killed my squad leader, satisfaction in knifing me...

kf_reaper · Post by **kf_reaper** » 2007-09-16 08:24

speaking of the civi suiciding there should be an put up kit only for civi that is an suicide bomb. but as for suiciding if your gona get knifed that is just down right wrong. ""can thay put C4 on people????""

back to the topic wan i run civi i spot and stay by my squad as spoter and get sniped alot. acting as bat to get and brit/US guy to come runing after my over to my squad to shot him up. or just standing in a spot to keep APC from firing there HE round

ZaZZo · Post by **ZaZZo** » 2007-09-16 09:43

I've shot quite a few civies as well. On purpose. I blame my SL though.

On the TG server we were charging the Village Crash site, and it was full of cvilians on roofs where you cannot get up to them and knife them.

So I put my M-16 on burst mode and ran in, pure rambo style.

I cleared the entrance alone against a full enemy squad, reloaded then ran further in. I stabbed a civie and killed more gunmen.

But now the enemy infantry started to come in in masses. I picked up the M-4 from some noob who just got stoned from a roof.

So the SL told us: "Don't care about what you shoot, just gun them all down"
So that's what I did

I mowed down four civlians on a roof, reppelled the enemy attack. Shot another civie.

Then some idiot team killed me "Don't kill the civlians noob *******".

I had given our team about 60 tickets previuosly from knifing civlians and I had mowed down the enemy team.

So he Tk'ed the player who was top of the server for being a "noob *******".

FoW_Strummer · Post by **FoW_Strummer** » 2007-09-16 12:17

Post by **Dunehunter** » 2007-09-16 12:18

Actually, I have found there to be a lack of civies at time. 10 insurgents at VCP...not a single civ to give us dressings >_<

Darkpowder · Post by **Darkpowder** » 2007-09-16 12:59

dunehunter wrote:When I'm a civi, and I'm about to get knifed, I sometimes suicide :$

I know that it's a dirty trick, but I can't help it.

[R-PUB]MrD wrote:remember guys, if you are insurgents and you see a lone civvie ahead of you about to get stabbed, just shoot him yourself! one ticket loss is better than ten to the enemy

Couple of nice things for the Devs to fix here, the first example is a dirty trick indeed, and i wish it hadn't even been mentioned.

Second one, thats just teamkilling plain and simple.

Penalty for killing civilians for the Armed Insurgents should be high indeed.
Suiciding civilians, that should be the same as if they got knifed - the civilians are carefully modified by the devs to improve play balance, and using the engine to exploit the situation isn't the way to do it.

Suiciding is designed for when you are stuck in a glitched object and cannot get out, that is the only time it should be used.

Heliocentric · Post by **Heliocentric** » 2007-09-16 13:31

i dont see shooting a civvy as insurgent as an "exploit", i see it as damage control. He can punish you if he wants, as for civvy killing? i do it enmasse if i'm driving apcs as i'm pretty careful and dont tend to die for aaaaages. whats the max spawntime? heh

Post by **Outlawz7** » 2007-09-16 13:38

dunehunter wrote:Actually, I have found there to be a lack of civies at time. 10 insurgents at VCP...not a single civ to give us dressings >_<

Civilians are likes snipers: jackasses, who are never there, when you need them, but always around, when totally not needed.

I think, civilian should be some sort of pick up kit teamlocked to Insurgents ..

Heliocentric · Post by **Heliocentric** » 2007-09-16 13:47

the issue there, is how you stop a civvy picking up a gun if he started as a gunclass. think that might cause coding issues.

FoW_Strummer · Post by **FoW_Strummer** » 2007-09-16 13:58

I do like (albeit morbid) the idea of being able to strap on C4 to the civies and then go to a building, apc, or rp and BOOM!!!,,why not...or how about IEDs on the road. My friend is training to dismantle IED's and he said the civies are watched..VERY CAREFULLY indeed...

STRUM

Post by **Outlawz7** » 2007-09-16 14:00

Or just give the civilians an option to pick up rifles and become combatants, think, thats possible to code?

FoW_Strummer · Post by **FoW_Strummer** » 2007-09-16 14:14

AnRK wrote:Please don't say shit like this when you don't know what these situations are really like. Have a bit of humility when your talking about something your not overly familiar with.

HEY ANRK:

First off, dont tell me what to say and how to say it. I am sorry if you are so sensitive to (imo) a logical answer to the original question..."IRL, what kind of civilian charges into the line of fire..." If you are an expert on cultures that do use civilians as weapons and shields please enlighten me as to the "insult" of claiming such a fact. If you are suggesting that (in certain un-named cultures) civilians DO NOT take part in various terrorist activities then perhaps it is YOU that needs to use some "humility". Personally, I take no such "humility" in anyone that uses such a means of combat to the streets, those who do this deserve an eternity of misery...

Last time I checked certain maps have insurgents (meaning that they are TERRORISTS). Unless insurgent is some PC version of a real respectable state sponcered military force? Last time I checked insurgent is synomonous with terrorist. Terrorists DO use explosives strapped to themselves to blow up targets, and yes some are converted civilians. The fact that they have a gun doesnt make them automatically a soldier. So, my opinion to the thread is that in an insurgency, anything goes, civies and soldiers alike.

STRUM

Heliocentric · Post by **Heliocentric** » 2007-09-16 14:15

jeez... you and your friend are UK looking for a cache, you see a civy on a rooftop but ignore him, 2 insurgents run around and drop your friend but you take them out, he was a medic so you grab his kit and ress him, while you are healing him you see the civvy that was on the roof who must have climbed down, he picks up one of the dead insurgents kits and kills you both.

I'd need a really good motivation not to kill civvys on sight if that was possible.

hx.bjoffe · Post by **hx.bjoffe** » 2007-09-16 14:39

FoW_Strummer wrote:Last time I checked insurgent is synomonous with terrorist.

Check again, not all truth is FOX-truth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurgent

Post by **Mongolian_dude** » 2007-09-16 15:11

I think the spawn timers for Civis should be ALLOT higher than average, so to give them some fear of death, instead of showing complete disregard for their own existence. Obviously EVEN LONGER for getting knifed.

...mongol...