Colt .45

BigEd88 · Post by **BigEd88** » 2006-01-21 06:39

Not sure if its coming or not but it should be in the mod, the Marines till use it along with other big caliber pistols. They don't use the 9mm because the stopping power isn't good enougn, and the point of a pistol is to bring the enemy down quick. In close quarters anyway.

lonelyjew · Post by **lonelyjew** » 2006-01-21 08:36

I agree with you, the 9mm is a joke, and it really wouldn't have a hope of penatrating the body armor of a soldier. I think, if anything, the special ops should get USP's with an atachable silencer.

Post by **Hitperson** » 2006-01-21 12:47

get a USP with a Light/Laser aiming module

dawdler · Post by **dawdler** » 2006-01-21 13:08

We need a nailgun.

JellyBelly · Post by **JellyBelly** » 2006-01-21 20:05

USP with silencer and Hollow sight sounds about right to me.

jezzzy · Post by **jezzzy** » 2006-01-21 20:11

mm glock, definately an automatic glock.

y dont they have more smaller PDW's, like the mp5k.

Noetheinner · Post by **Noetheinner** » 2006-01-21 20:14

you know I think the nail gun was discussed on another board.... can't remember which one.

Oh, and i know for a fact the USMC does use the 9mm still. I was a coach on the pistol range for my last month in the Corps. But also, I think that the "special forces" of the USMC and the USN use the .45 for the stopping power. The reason we switched to the 9mm is so we could have more rounds to shoot vs stopping power.

Cirap · Post by **Cirap** » 2006-01-21 20:17

USP what? the USP comes in 9mm, .40 and .45 calibres (and oh, it looks soooo sexy. I actually have an airsoft USP .40).

from what I know, units serving under SOCOM are sometimes issued the .45 H&K Mk.23

it's a big *** gun

Noetheinner · Post by **Noetheinner** » 2006-01-21 20:45

I want that for my birthday!

Eddie Baker · Post by **Eddie Baker** » 2006-01-21 20:55

Noetheinner is correct. Only the Maritime Special Purpose Force direct-action component (attached Force Recon direct-action platoon) of a MEU(SOC) get the M1911 MEU(SOC) Pistol, which is assembled from military stock, commercial off-the-shelf and in-house, custom-made components by USMC Precision Weapons Armorers. The Marine detachment to USSOCOM (MCSOCOM Det 1, soon to become MARSOC), recently (2003?) were issued a new M1911 near-match-grade pistol produced by Kimber, which they have designated the ICQB (Interim Close-Quarters Battle) Pistol, since the MEU(SOC) Pistols are almost 20 years old.

This having been said, a variant of the M1911A1 will be in the mod.

The M9 is the standard issue sidearm under most circumstances. The M11 [SIG-Sauer P228] is available to Military Police Criminal Investigations Division and counterintelligence personnel. Aviators used to be issued with .38 Special revolvers until enough M9s made it into the inventory.

Some USSOCOM units may have other options, such as the SIG-Sauer P226N, Mk-23 Offensive Handgun Weapons System aka "SOCOM Pistol" (which has been a big disappointment for SOCOM) or possibly the H&K USP .45 Tactical. SFOD-D supposedly uses an in-house or commercially customized (Kimber or Wilson) M1911 variant.

Glock semi-automatic pistols are not in US military service, but they are in service with many federal agencies, usually chambered for .40 S&W.

Post by **Katarn** » 2006-01-21 23:19

Isn't the velocity of the .45 caliber round significantly lower than the 9mm? That would make armor penetration of the .45 especially low compared to the smaller caliber weapons. Under unarmored circumstances, it would work much better though.

Post by **BrokenArrow** » 2006-01-22 03:37

It is a little slower but it packs much more of a punch.

Beckwith · Post by **Beckwith** » 2006-01-22 04:52

Katarn wrote:Isn't the velocity of the .45 caliber round significantly lower than the 9mm? That would make armor penetration of the .45 especially low compared to the smaller caliber weapons. Under unarmored circumstances, it would work much better though.

It is, its a sub-sonic round, which is why its preffered for CQB because it doesnt penetrate and has better stoping power. when Delta first started the used Grease Guns and M1911's (Mp-5 hadnt been made yet) because they were both small compact and wouldnt penetrate something like say aircraft seats which would save lives of hostages in take down situations.

Post by **Katarn** » 2006-01-22 04:59

A round to take prisoners and save hostages or kill unarmored combatants. I get it.

BigEd88 · Post by **BigEd88** » 2006-01-22 06:29

the .45 hits you like at on of bricks, regardless if it would or would not go through the vest it would take the person it's aimed at off their feet no problem.

Regarding the marines switching over to the 9mm I didn't relize that all but the "special forces" switched over. I know a active duty Marine in my squad was telling me the horror stories of the 9mm. From jamms to hitting guys several times and just watching them keep running. He said some carry bigger pistols (and any that can get them) but I didn't relize he ment the "special forces" troops.

Tacamo · Post by **Tacamo** » 2006-01-22 06:37

If they use .45's with a really hot load and a heavy grain bullet it might be able to get through some legacy body armor.

Read blurbs in some places that the Joint Combat Pistol Program has been looking at some .45's to replace the 9mm M9's currently in service and/or supply SOCOM with a new .45 caliber pistol.

Beckwith · Post by **Beckwith** » 2006-01-22 06:41

I dont get why they dont just make more 1911's, i know the trend is that its past its time and to old, but if nobody can make a better one why stop using it. The same thing goes for the M14.

Lifetaker · Post by **Lifetaker** » 2006-01-22 10:15

roger that, Beckwith. roger that.

Tacamo · Post by **Tacamo** » 2006-01-22 11:24

From what I understand the original switch to 9mm had to so with helping NATO logistics. One of the highest scoring weapons was an entrant from Sig, but after cost per unit was factored in Beretta was deemed the winner. M-14 was kind of the same deal with some other issues. Mainly being the ability to fire in full auto and being able to somewhat effectively engage targets. They should have weapon with that 6.5mm Brittish design instead of 5.56mm. Especially when one looks at the better potential that either the current 6.5mm grendel or 6.8mm SPC cartridges have over 5.56mm.

Tom#13 · Post by **Tom#13** » 2006-01-22 13:06

the MEU has been suggested before, personally id love to see it included.