Civilian knifed for the last time?

MrD · Post by **MrD** » 2007-12-16 13:39

00SoldierofFortune00 wrote:IMO, civis need to be on every insurgent map. Not only do they make up for the lack of inferior weapons and equipment and can make the other team lose tickets if they are killed, but they also have a load of field dressings. Since there is no insurgent medic, what would the insurgents do without the field dressings?

insurgent map

Hmm, some people are in for a shock when that one splits in two

<1sk>Headshot · Post by **<1sk>Headshot** » 2007-12-16 13:40

00SoldierofFortune00 wrote:IMO, civis need to be on every insurgent map. Not only do they make up for the lack of inferior weapons and equipment and can make the other team lose tickets if they are killed, but they also have a load of field dressings. Since there is no insurgent medic, what would the insurgents do without the field dressings?

Emm. Civilians live in cities. This is why they are in Basrah. Civies don't live in the middle of poppy fields running around with enemy insurgents. Any army would shoot them if they were running around with insurgents who were firin on their position.

Post by **Deadfast** » 2007-12-16 13:45

00SoldierofFortune00 wrote:...the other team lose tickets if they are killed,...

For the 10000000 time:
Killing a civilian does not remove tickets. It ads 10 to insurgents.

I agree on the medic idea, though.

MrD · Post by **MrD** » 2007-12-16 13:50

H3eadshot wrote:Emm. Civilians live in cities. This is why they are in Basrah. Civies don't live in the middle of poppy fields running around with enemy insurgents. Any army would shoot them if they were running around with insurgents who were firin on their position.

Yeah, you normally find Taliban out in the mountains and the poppy fields where they hold their reign of terror.

00SoldierofFortune00 · Post by **00SoldierofFortune00** » 2007-12-17 04:27

H3eadshot wrote:Emm. Civilians live in cities. This is why they are in Basrah. Civies don't live in the middle of poppy fields running around with enemy insurgents. Any army would shoot them if they were running around with insurgents who were firin on their position.

Insurgents hide within civilian populations. It doesn't matter if there is a city or not.

Did you see the Special Forces documentary posted a while back? The insurgents and the Taliban like to hide in the civilian population in small towns and it makes the fight much harder because you have to be careful before you move in on towns.

Point is, civilians ingame would actually be more realistic in a rural setting or in small towns because there are just not enough civilians on a map like Basrah to make them have that "mob mentality."

And same difference with the ticket thing. It still helps the insurgents.

Post by **Dunehunter** » 2007-12-17 11:13

H3eadshot wrote:Emm. Civilians live in cities. This is why they are in Basrah. Civies don't live in the middle of poppy fields running around with enemy insurgents. Any army would shoot them if they were running around with insurgents who were firin on their position.

As someone mentioned, the series of videos on fighting in Afghanistan at one point showed insurgents firing at the US troops' position from a house...and then sending a woman up on top of the house, so that the US troops could not return fire. So yeah, civilians on Helmand are realistic, in that they live there, and are used by the real-life insurgents too.

Post by **Spec** » 2007-12-17 11:28

Or maybe they make civs limited on not-insurgency maps and unlimited on insurgency maps? But we'll see... And gameplay is also important. Even in the regular army vs. regular army fights civilians could still appear in cities if the evacuation was not fast enough or people wanted to stay there. But for gameplay and maybe also morale reasons they dont appear on these maps.

Viper5 · Post by **Viper5** » 2007-12-17 21:38

Taliban are not insurgents. But they do hide with the population.

00SoldierofFortune00 · Post by **00SoldierofFortune00** » 2007-12-18 00:32

[R-PUB]Viper5 wrote:Taliban are not insurgents. But they do hide with the population.

Hence why I said Taliban And Insurgents.

Rico11b · Post by **Rico11b** » 2007-12-18 00:48

00SoldierofFortune00 wrote:I hate the word retreat. I doubt many armies would say it in real life too.

How about fallback instead maybe? Sounds less cowardly and more tactical?

You can say that again SOF.

US Military NEVER "retreats". We advance to the rear.

R

Hail_831 · Post by **Hail_831** » 2007-12-22 18:33

00SoldierofFortune00 wrote:I hate the word retreat. I doubt many armies would say it in real life too.

How about fallback instead maybe? Sounds less cowardly and more tactical?

Maybe its for the French army.

G.Drew · Post by **G.Drew** » 2007-12-22 18:38

imo i think the civis are being reserved for insurgency mode, while the scout is being used for AAS v2 and the like

BloodBane611 · Post by **BloodBane611** » 2007-12-22 20:26

Rico11b wrote: US Military NEVER "retreats". We advance to the rear.

Indeed sir, indeed.

And Mr. D, you are a bloody tease.

Personally I can't wait to see what the devs came up with for civis, I'm sure that even if it sucks, it'll at least be entertainingly new.

BabaGurGur · Post by **BabaGurGur** » 2007-12-22 20:28

Civis in iraq would never run up to a APC and throw stones at it.. kids ok, but not grown *** men...

rofl.