Rig Extraction.

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Grinch
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Rig Extraction.

Post by Grinch »

Hi. The PR includes the rope wich enable climbing and stuff, but would it possible to make rig for specail forces class.

What this RIG thingy means?

A: When you on a cliff etc. Where copter cant land to pick up because of the rough terrain, they invented RIG in Vietnam war, that helicopter lowers the rappeling rope when the squad tightens themselves to rope by RIG.

This is the modern version of the RIG:

YouTube - SPIE RIG

Wouldnt it bee cool to hang out 50ft below the bird :D

Asked some veteran of Vietnam about this, He told me that he did that 2 times. Hell of an ride.
Colt556
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Post by Colt556 »

This sounds exactly like fast-ropes, which for the time being can't be done.
oxYris
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Post by oxYris »

this sounds like fastropez :)

edit: too slow...
j45h89
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Post by j45h89 »

It does sound like fastropes, but it sounds like it can be used for extractions as well as insertions by helicopter, were as fastropes are just for insertions, would be useful for spec ops :grin:
Colt556
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Post by Colt556 »

Well, I suppose what could potentially be done is make a static model attached to the heli that could be lowered from it. Not a rope, more like a pole. And the soldiers can press "E" to enter the pole and they get strapped to it. That's the closest we could get to it, I think, and in the end wouldn't be very practical at all.
nicoX
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Post by nicoX »

I wonder if the the grappling hook can be attached to a heli?
Colt556
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Post by Colt556 »

nicoliani wrote:I wonder if the the grappling hook can be attached to a heli?
It can, untill the Heli moves.
Grinch
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Post by Grinch »

Colt556 is understanding what I meant.

Static pole hanging from heli, but if it hits trees heli wont crash.

Maybe somehow DEV's could make pole with ladder psychics on the pole.

Remember Battlefield Vietnam where you could attach cars to heli. ;)
M.Warren
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Post by M.Warren »

My friend joined the U.S. Marine Corps and is part of the MEU. Although his primary role is to crew and operate amphibious vehicles, this was included as part of standard training.

This is not exactly a "fast rope". Fast ropes are generally deployed from the inside of the helicopter and are dangled down in multiples to ground level for insertion. This facilitates an infantryman's ability to reppel down as quickly as possible without the need for the transport helicopter to land.

The SPIE (Special Purpose Insertion and Extraction) Rig is more for extraction purposes. Although capable for "insertion" as it states, it leaves soldiers vulnerable to small arms fire.

For the record, SPIE (Special Purpose Insertion and Extraction) Rig's are almost always attached to the outside of an aircraft itself. So once you're on it, you're going to be dangling there till you get back home. That's it.

Also as you can see in the video, the Marines are attached to a rope and cannot in any way control thier descent back to ground level. This relies heavily on pilot skill and judgement. If you're descending too fast you can easily injure the soliders. This is why "fast ropes" are superior to insertion as the helicopter only needs to hold it's hover and the rappeling soldiers do the rest of the work.

Anyways, it'd be cool to see something like this in action, but it's most likely unable to occur. Especially because most players in PR don't know the term "retreat" or "extraction". This is because it would involve players running away from thier contacts, whereas they'd rather fight back and die trying as usual.
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Colt556
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Post by Colt556 »

M.Warren wrote:My friend joined the U.S. Marine Corps and is part of the MEU. Although his primary role is to crew and operate amphibious vehicles, this was included as part of standard training.

This is not exactly a "fast rope". Fast ropes are generally deployed from the inside of the helicopter and are dangled down in multiples to ground level for insertion. This facilitates an infantryman's ability to reppel down as quickly as possible without the need for the transport helicopter to land.

The SPIE (Special Purpose Insertion and Extraction) Rig is more for extraction purposes. Although capable for "insertion" as it states, it leaves soldiers vulnerable to small arms fire.

For the record, SPIE (Special Purpose Insertion and Extraction) Rig's are almost always attached to the outside of an aircraft itself. So once you're on it, you're going to be dangling there till you get back home. That's it.

Also as you can see in the video, the Marines are attached to a rope and cannot in any way control thier descent back to ground level. This relies heavily on pilot skill and judgement. If you're descending too fast you can easily injure the soliders. This is why "fast ropes" are superior to insertion as the helicopter only needs to hold it's hover and the rappeling soldiers do the rest of the work.

Anyways, it'd be cool to see something like this in action, but it's most likely unable to occur. Especially because most players in PR don't know the term "retreat" or "extraction". This is because it would involve players running away from thier contacts, whereas they'd rather fight back and die trying as usual.
By saying it was like fast-ropes, I mean the rope physics, which is why I mentioned a pole instead. This couldn't work anytime in the forseeable future because it's a rope, and until the devs find a way to keep ropes attached to vehicles, it wouldn't work. I didn't mean it's purpose was like the fast-ropes.
Craz3y|Assasin
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Post by Craz3y|Assasin »

couldnt you throw your grappleing hook onto the chopper door?
Colt556
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Post by Colt556 »

Craz3y|Assasin wrote:couldnt you throw your grappleing hook onto the chopper door?
You could, and that would work perfectly fine so long as the Heli hovers perfectly. The second it moves though, the grappling hook falls off. Basicly, if you stand inside the Merlin and it goes full speed, you'll go flying out the back. The grappling hook acts the same way. And untill the Devs find a way to fix that, these types of ideas will never happen.
arjan
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Post by arjan »

well how about a rope just as static onto the helicopter. but give it the code of the chopper blades so it cant crash into buildings sort off.
and if you press E you get on the rope not the inside? so you have a passenger seat in the rope
Tirak
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Post by Tirak »

That would be two seperate vehicles attached to eachother, if you can figure out how to do that, the entire forum and the Dev team will love you forever because it would solve the 8 person limit on vehicles.
00SoldierofFortune00
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Post by 00SoldierofFortune00 »

Colt556 wrote:You could, and that would work perfectly fine so long as the Heli hovers perfectly. The second it moves though, the grappling hook falls off. Basicly, if you stand inside the Merlin and it goes full speed, you'll go flying out the back. The grappling hook acts the same way. And untill the Devs find a way to fix that, these types of ideas will never happen.
If the chopper is even hovering the rope will go right through it and fall off. I have tried it before even on a chopper on the landing pad and it is not practical at all.
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Spec
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Post by Spec »

When i tried it (yes, i did, but not in PR :p ) the rope was stuck in the air when the helicopter was away. Looked funny, but... Well, its not fastroping and not rig extractioning and not whatever.
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