USMC / USArmy Sniper separation

[Forloc]

Would be cool to see USMC using M40A3's on sniper kits, and m25's on marksman. Similarly - M24/A3 (.338 Lapua version) and an SPR for Army marksmen.

[Jaymz]

Other way around mate. The marines use SPR's mostly for their DMR. Army uses M14's and M14EBR's. We actually already have the M40A3 for the USMC and the M24 will be coming back in for the Army. For 0.8 both will use the M14 we have but Katarn has told me that he plans on heavily pimping up his M16A4 model to create a proper SPR for the marines.

[ostupidman]

Correct me if I am wrong but isn't the DMR for the US Army now the M110 and not the M14? I know the M14 is out there still, and personally I love it, hard to beat a true .30 cal battle rifle, but it's already being replaced. If I have my facts correct one of the big reasons for the change was the Army wanting a 7.62 NATO firing semi-auto sniper that could be used with a suppressor effectively, and while the M14 is a marvelous rifle it does have problems when employing a suppressor. Also the direct gas system on the M110 is designed to cause less felt recoil, and longer bolt life. Anyway all that said...I do believe that a new DMR is in order for the Army not just the USMC.

[KP]

AFAIK, the M14 is much more common.

[Forloc]

Umm... Since when does the marine corp use the ARMY/NAVY Special Purpose Rifle

Marine Corp -
Squad Advanced Marksman Rifle: SAM-R http://www.dogfightink.com/ASM.jpg
M25 - http://www.dogfightink.com/dmr.jpg

ARMY - Army Special Purpose Rifle: SPR http://www.dogfightink.com/SPR.jpg


Wikipedia it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Marin ... sman_Rifle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Sta ... pose_Rifle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Marin ... sman_Rifle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M21_Sniper ... System#M25
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Sta ... sman_Rifle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M110_Semi- ... per_System
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SR-25

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[Conman51]

i thought the marines were using the M14 more than those newer rifles

[Jaymz]

Umm... Since when does the marine corp use the ARMY/NAVY Special Purpose Rifle

Since October last year mate

II MEF Marines receive training on new rifle

Oct. 2, 2007; Submitted on: 10/10/2007 07:36:59 PM ; Story ID#: 20071010193659
By Cpl. Chris Lyttle, II Marine Expeditionary Force

MARINE CORPS BASE CAMP LEJEUNE, N.C. (Oct. 2, 2007) -- More than 30 Marines from 2nd Marine Division, II Marine Expeditionary Force, participated in operator and new-equipment training with the MK 12 special-purpose rifle here Oct. 2.

II MEF received the first MK 12 rifles after an Urgent Universal Need Statement was submitted for newer infantry weaponry Marine Corps-wide, said Maj. Bamidele Abogunrin, a team leader for individual weapons, Infantry Weapons Program Management Office, Marine Corps Systems Command. Marine Corps Combat Development Command and Marine Requirements Oversight Counsel later approved the request, and it was sent to MCSC.

“We then had to determine which system would fill this requirement,” Abogunrin said. “After extensive market research, we found that the MK 12 would fit the bill.”

The rifle, fielded by U.S. Special Operations Command forces during Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom, will answer the Marine Corps infantry’s request for a variable-scoped weapon capable of accurately engaging an enemy at 500 meters.

Christopher Sharon, a New Equipment Training Team instructor with MCSC, discussed some of the skills the shooters picked up during pre-fielding.

“During the weapons training, we taught them assembly and disassembly of the rifle,” Sharon said. “They also did practical application and learned theory and manipulation of the variable scope, and before, Marines did not have anything that utilized the scope like the MK 12.”

Cpl. Daniel Smith, scout sniper with 3rd Battalion, 6th Marine Regiment, 2nd Marine Division, II MEF, attended field training with the MK 12 and described the characteristics of the newly acquired weapon, which is similar to the M16.

“It’s a basic (M16), it’s just a little better,” Smith said. “It’s a better capability for (infantry squads). The differences are it has a Leupold scope on it, a free-floating barrel and a Harris swivel bipod. It still shoots 5.56 (mm rounds).”

Smith said the MK 12 is similar to the Squad Advanced Marksman Rifle (SAM-R) he used during his last deployment to Iraq and far more accurate than any other M16.

After engaging paper targets from 100 yards on the firing line, Smith expressed his satisfaction with the enhanced infantry rifle.

“It’s a really good weapon, and I like it so far,” Smith said. “I think it’ll be a good addition to the Marine Corps arsenal.”

The division Marines who participated in the shoot will be responsible for teaching their infantry Marines about the MK 12 when it’s introduced to line companies.

“Line companies will need quite a bit of training on this,” Smith said. “But as soon as you pick this weapon up, you’re instantly going to be a better shooter because of the accuracy.”

Abogunrin described how he felt about his part in providing Marines with this new weapon.

“It’s very gratifying to know Marine Corps Systems Command can put these weapons in the hands of Marines during the time they really need them,” Abogunrin said. “Marine Corps Systems Command is committed to equipping the warfighters with the best possible weapons, and that’s our daily mission.”

MARINE CORPS BASE CAMP LEJEUNE N.C. – Cpl. Jeff Bensen (right), a squad leader with Company E, 2nd Battalion, 9th Marine Regiment, 2nd Marine Division, II Marine Expeditionary Force, fires at a target from the 100-yard line with a MK 12 special-purpose rifle while Sgt. Kenneth Burdine (top), course instructor, Special Operations Training Group, II MEF, assists a shooter with weapon adjustments during the first operator and new-equipment training here Oct. 4. The MK 12 will eventually be employed by infantry units within II MEF. (Official U.S. Marine Corps photo by Cpl. Chris Lyttle) (RELEASED)

Photo by: Cpl. Chris Lyttle
Photo ID: 2007101019404
Submitting Unit: II Marine Expeditionary Force
Photo Date:10/02/2007

MARINE CORPS BASE CAMP LEJEUNE, N.C. – Cpl. Daniel Smith, scout sniper with 3rd Battalion, 6th Marine Regiment, 2nd Marine Division, II Marine Expeditionary Force, displays the newly acquired MK 12 special-purpose rifle after testing it on the firing line here Oct. 3. The MK 12, used by U.S. Special Operations Command Forces during Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom, is a highly accurate rifle that Marine units will receive due to a recent request for better infantry weapons. (Official U.S. Marine Corps photo by Cpl. Chris Lyttle) (RELEASED)

Photo by: Cpl. Chris Lyttle
Photo ID: 20071010194233
Submitting Unit: II Marine Expeditionary Force
Photo Date:10/02/2007

[Viper5]

I believe II MEF had an emergency request for them.

I know the 82nd used some M110s in Afghanistan. Not sure if the 101st is now.

[DeltaFart]

THis is set in the future, thus the M110 deserves being placed in, though without the supressor cause that would give gameplay headaches like crazy!!!

[gclark03]

The suppressor is fine, but that combined with a variable-power scope and semi-automatic fire would be overkill.

[ostupidman]

Well if it was put in wouldn't it be as the DMR? So to keep it somewhat balanced it probably wouldn't have a variable scope.

[EOD_Security-2252]

If you want to stay with the "bit in the future" theme the Army should have M110 with a suppressor, and USMC needs the DMR (Designated Marksman Rifle, as depicted in some other guy's post). However, M14's a nice gun for the Army.

[Jaymz]

I know the 82nd used some M110s in Afghanistan. Not sure if the 101st is now.

If only we knew someone who's in the 101st and currently in Afghanistan but still browses these forums.......

:d rillserg KENWAYYYYYYYY!!!!!!

[M.Warren]

Glad to see some more reassuring news that PR's moving forth. Usually find myself clawing at my chair in anticipation to know what's actually being done for the next patch.

Mind you it's not the common enthusiastic "zomg it'z patch v0.8", it's more along the lines of "Allright, now I can finally compare and contrast what was fixed and what's still screwed up. Now all I gotta do is wait another 4 months to get those things fixed aswell."

Hate me yet?

[Jaymz]

Hate me yet?

Just a fact that there'll be a patch after release. But yeah....you are kind of rubbing salt in the wound...

[Outlawz7]

Open beta?

[SGT.JOKER]

we'll I'll miss my M14...but if katran's planning to update the M16A4 for the SPR it sounds like a sweet trade to me

[Jaymz]

we'll I'll miss my M14...but if katran's planning to update the M16A4 for the SPR it sounds like a sweet trade to me

We're keeping the M14 as the US Army and USMC DMR for 0.8. After 0.8, the marines will switch over to the Mk12SPR.

[Outlawz7]

But we already have the Mk12 in-game don't we? So why give it as a DMR to USMC after 0.8 if it's been here since 0.3?