Why do you think civies are killed?

[General_J0k3r]

sometimes it's just an accident. when you lay waste to one of the destroyable villages, it can happen that you kill one or two civvies. but if you take out a cache during that it's fine with me .


funny thing i noticed as well about civvies: the brits follow them with their knives into ANY ambush whatsoever. so a civvie used correctly is a pain in the butt for the brits

[Cyrax-Sektor]

Prone dive + knife = arrested civilian

The prone dive gives you that extra length to nip the rock-chucker, and it's great watching him crumple to the ground.

[captmohamed]

there's only two reasons why i kill civis.

1. because i think those civis are EVIL and keep getting me killed whitch is frustrating and one time i asked the commander for permission to shoot the darn civi. it was denied .

2. due to distance because if you look at people the far away the BF2 engine normally removes the extra features (e.g. headband, green shirt, and weapon etc.) in order to reduce graphic quality, there fore i kill the guy on the spot you never know if he might be carrying an RPG.. better to be safe than sorry.

and if I do kill a civi sometimes I get the sense of do thing right and killing a persons who over uses the civi kit and think 'well got that i**ot running around retarted'

But one time on an 24/7 Al Basrah sever one civi got abit friendly offered to supply us with First aid packets and repair our vehicles soon he made a squad for 'helpful' civis and after getting him self (repeatedly) stabbed by new people . i was left with a few people defending and then Suddenly we got attacked on our front line and destroyed our FB and because our minds were concentrated on where the fire came from on the right i was the one who saw the other insurgents due to the fact i was hiding behind the FB.

well i tired to shoot the first guy over top but he got the better of me, and told everyone that our FB was under attack(on shout to all) the SL of the 'friendly civi' squad said " THE *TUPID BRITISH FELL FOR IT ATTACK! "


....... ah well another reason not to trust civis.......

[Cyrax-Sektor]

^^ lol

1. Trusting enemies.
2. You'll shoot a guy on sight because s/he may have an RPG.

Discrepancy that got you killed.

[Scot]

well i was covering a street on basrah with my m249, and there were 5 people running across, 1 with rpg and 2 with aks and 1 with PKM and obviously 1 civillian as when i shot them i got 1 civillian kill. Now i am not going to bend my bullets around civillians if 4/5 of them are trying to properly kill me!

[commando110]

I kill civies because they are f*cking annoying!!!! ... well.. mostly I will try to knife them... but when I 'm in a bad mood... well... sometimes a civy dies 'by accident'

[DannyIMK]

I Think That Killing Civis Allowed Should Be When:
They Throwing Rocks Close To GB/Army Solider
They Spotting Soliders With Binoculars
They Fixing A Vehicle With Insurgent Inside
They Using Ladder/Rope
They Are In Jihad/Vehicle With Mounted Machine Gun
They Drivers Of Vehicle With Insurgents With Guns
And Their Clothes Should Be Changed
But Its Also GB Soliders fault too, because they also dont confirm on what they shooting..

[jbgeezer]

The talk about trigger happy people is bullshit! Well most players just dont take the time to identyfie their targets resulting in innocent death, really they deserve to get shot thoug...

[Spec]

Now what is the difference between being trigger happy and shooting at everyone without ID?

[Valtasar]

I think it because civi are to rare on the ins maps.
So looking for the civis is the last thing on my mind when I play UK/US.

[cyberzomby]

captmohamed haha great story! And very cool that it worked! Wanna try that myself as well now haha!

I only killed one by accident so far I believe. But thats because Im more Insurgent side than army too bad but! For the people who complain about drawing distance, just whip out your binocs! Thats what I do when I play army and I see a silhouet on a rooftop. Could be a sniper could also be a civi hanging his clothes on a line.

[Solid Knight]

Because the game falsely identifies them as civilians. They call in mortar strikes on your position and they run around with guys who do have guns. They are an active part of the opposition. If I drop my M16 in combat do I suddenly become a civilian? No. Just because the "civilian's" weapon of choice is a rock doesn't change the fact that he very much is the opposition. Why bother risking yourself to capture them when you can rain on their parade with bullets? Not to mention that you wouldn't run around capturing civilians in real life anyway. It's not like the guys in Iraq are roaming around in their hummers going "There's a civlian! Quick let's capture him!".

[Cheesygoodness]

Because the game falsely identifies them as civilians. They call in mortar strikes on your position and they run around with guys who do have guns. They are an active part of the opposition. If I drop my M16 in combat do I suddenly become a civilian? No. Just because the "civilian's" weapon of choice is a rock doesn't change the fact that he very much is the opposition. Why bother risking yourself to capture them when you can rain on their parade with bullets? Not to mention that you wouldn't run around capturing civilians in real life anyway. It's not like the guys in Iraq are roaming around in their hummers going "There's a civlian! Quick let's capture him!".

Because it doesn't look good on the nightly news when the reporters start blaring off "US and British soldiers fired on and killed several innocent bystanders." And the only defense you have is "Well ah.. He had a cellphone!!!" or "He threw at rock at me..."

And no they aren't 'innocent' civilian's they are regular people who basically work with insurgents. The key reason you try to 'capture' them is for intel they might have. Much like capturing POWs in other wars.

[Waaah_Wah]

there's only two reasons why i kill civis.

1. because i think those civis are EVIL and keep getting me killed whitch is frustrating and one time i asked the commander for permission to shoot the darn civi. it was denied .

2. due to distance because if you look at people the far away the BF2 engine normally removes the extra features (e.g. headband, green shirt, and weapon etc.) in order to reduce graphic quality, there fore i kill the guy on the spot you never know if he might be carrying an RPG.. better to be safe than sorry.

and if I do kill a civi sometimes I get the sense of do thing right and killing a persons who over uses the civi kit and think 'well got that i**ot running around retarted'

But one time on an 24/7 Al Basrah sever one civi got abit friendly offered to supply us with First aid packets and repair our vehicles soon he made a squad for 'helpful' civis and after getting him self (repeatedly) stabbed by new people . i was left with a few people defending and then Suddenly we got attacked on our front line and destroyed our FB and because our minds were concentrated on where the fire came from on the right i was the one who saw the other insurgents due to the fact i was hiding behind the FB.

well i tired to shoot the first guy over top but he got the better of me, and told everyone that our FB was under attack(on shout to all) the SL of the 'friendly civi' squad said " THE *TUPID BRITISH FELL FOR IT ATTACK! "


....... ah well another reason not to trust civis.......

Lol, do you have any idea how fun it is to get really close to a bunsh of Brits telling them that you are just a friendly civie and then call in a mortar strike on them ?

Or even better, "tell them where a cashe is" (usually in some destructable building) after getting one of your squad mates to rig that building with IEDs??

[Solid Knight]

Because it doesn't look good on the nightly news when the reporters start blaring off "US and British soldiers fired on and killed several innocent bystanders." And the only defense you have is "Well ah.. He had a cellphone!!!" or "He threw at rock at me..."

Except in PR they aren't innocent bystanders. The way the game is made forces them to be in active cooperation with the enemy. This is something you cannot possibly change and as such are no "innocent bystanders" in PR. We have all the intel we need on these guys. They repair enemy vehicles, heal enemy combatants, call in mortar strikes, actively coordinate with armed insurgents, help armed insurgents get to various fighting positions, drives insurgents to enemy positions, mans the guns on enemy vehicles, et cetera. The player knows this and it is in his best interest to remove the "civilian". Would you let a civilian tail you in the game? You know what they're doing. You wouldn't. You try to kill them one way or another which is what "arresting" in PR actually is. You kill them when you arrest them. And again, soliders also don't arrest "innocent bystanders".

So really, would people be upset if the body of that article then went on to explain that this "innocent bystander" drove the enemy technical into the fire fight, called in a mortar strike, then fired a mounted machine gun at the troops, and then got killed when he was trying to hit a US or GB troop with rocks?

Also consider, do you think I'd get kicked if I made a "friendly" civilian squad and all I did was thwart insurgent activity by driving their vehicles to the enemy base and leaving them there or by telling the US forces exactly where the caches were? Do you think people wouldn't complain? I mean, civilians do help the US forces in real life so I should be able to do these things, right? Why does the game punish me, the innocent civilian, when I blow up a cache by throwing rocks at it?

[Waaah_Wah]

^^You do realise that when civies in PR are in a vehicle they are no longer civies, and they cant man guns?

[Solid Knight]

One discrepancy doesn't change all the other points.

One other note, why do insurgents get punished for killing civilians? It's not like they don't actively kill civilians in real life.

[Saobh]

One discrepancy doesn't change all the other points.

One other note, why do insurgents get punished for killing civilians? It's not like they don't actively kill civilians in real life.

I believe your missing the point completely. And arguing for argument sake.
As you very well know that we can't have 30-60 npc "innocent" civies going around to make conditions more realistic.

Civilians in Pr are supposed to represent the difficulty for our troops to distinguish full blown insurgents from simple civilians. And considering that if an indeed innocent civilian is killed the rest of the otherwise "neutral" population will get angry against those they see as outsiders.


You are frre to have fun and play a real "innocent" civi in PR, but as in real life both the US/Brits and the insurgents will probably cut you down very quickly. The 1st because in their eyes there is a good chance you're going to try to blow them up. The second because you are deemed a traitor.

As for civies killing civies, that does indeed happen but they also get punished usually vengeance killings.

More on-topic:
Before 0.8 I would pay more attention to my targets to avoid killing civies. But right now its better to gun them down to stop them from bringing intel and helping their side as the cost for me and my team are pretty moot.

So I stay by my 1st vote on this: "Penalties aren't severe enough to curb shooting civies"
Maybe bringing down the spawn time for all insurgents by 1 each time a civi is killed would better simulate the rising anger gets.

[dagoober]

because they are a pain in the humpty dumpty and practically ask to be killed by being complete idiots!