Use your head.

[Cassius]

There are a couple of good PR servers, however on many servers people fail to realize that more needs to be done in PR than relying on fast reflexes. Many squadleaders lead their squad into battle with a HULK SMASH mentality. I was on some server and the map was Barracuda. At some point the us tried to establish a firebase between docks, a flag we were OBVIOUSLY defending and our main. Needless to say it did not last long.

Later on I saw a huey blown to bits as it attempted to land right on docks.

Now its not so bad if the average soldier just focuses on the shooty part and does as told, but squadleaders should realize that they need to do more than setting rallies and that means putting their squad in an advantagous position.

That means mostly to navigate the squad the way it engages an targeted objective from the most advantageous position possible, leading the squad to circumvent an objective to flank it, or attack from the rear, but also to recognize when its best to disengage, when the squad is in the open taking fire from hostiles that expose just a few pixels for example.

Now most who read this probably do that and those who dont probably dont read the forums either, but I just had to get that off my chest.

[motherdear]

Amen to that.

[daranz]

Proper use of tactics often wins against brute force in PR. Good SLs know this, and good SLs will win against other SLs. That's just the way it goes, and I figure a lot of people will eventually figure out that they are losing because THEY are doing something wrong.

This is what generally makes or breaks armor combat for me. Proper use of tactics and thinking makes you more likely to succeed than a simple I R TANKS SHMASH ASPLODE DESTROY mentality. The former makes for fun, the latter makes for lots of anger and frustration. Drivers are also TCs for a reason.

[Waaah_Wah]

^^Do you have any idea how satisfying it is to plow trough a defencive enemy squad??

[Water_Is_Poison18]

I don't mean to come off brazen or arrogant, but I was able to lead a full infantry squad on Mestia without a single death for the whole round. All it takes is patience, knowing when to retreat, and cooperation. We must have ambushed three militia squads on the road as they were driving towards supply in com trucks and took them out right quick. It was actually one of the most rewarding experiences I've had in PR.

[hiberNative]

^^Do you have any idea how satisfying it is to plow trough a defencive enemy squad??

i also try to hit hard. i've seen too many people go down by being defensive. i'm not saying that you shouldn't use your head, but offence is the best defense and it you plan your tactics accordingly, the enemy will be in trouble.
good guys finish second.

[Skodz]

Mostly agree but PR is still a BF2 engine based game, time is the key, to succeed, you need to use tactic but you must execute it as fast as possible.

The other thing is that most pubbies hate sitting on defense or waiting in order to coordinate and attack...

Once again, the best solution is to join a tactical clan

[Cassius]

^^Do you have any idea how satisfying it is to plow trough a defencive enemy squad??

Well of course, but why send your 2 vodniks up front against an 50 cal emplacment 3 apcs and multiple soldiers ? Drive the vodniks around the objective and into the rear, taking the enemy by surprise and wreak havok, instead of driving up against the side they have their guns trained torwards already ?

I think what I wrote was misunderstood, squadleading is particularly important when the squad is attacking, to put the squad in the best position possible and avoid being in the worst position possible. Who said squadleading is only about playing defensive ?

Also

I don't mean to come off brazen or arrogant, but I was able to lead a full infantry squad on Mestia without a single death for the whole round. All it takes is patience, knowing when to retreat, and cooperation. We must have ambushed three militia squads on the road as they were driving towards supply in com trucks and took them out right quick. It was actually one of the most rewarding experiences I've had in PR.

good job on that, thats what Iam talking about.

[Noobofthenight]

To be honest, at the end of the day, a team of slow, skilless players will loose against a team of quick, knowledgeable players, with good FPS skills.

Regardless of tactics.

I suppose being part of a skilled player is using 'tactics'; so for example, you get pinned down by a guy hiding behind a wall 10m away.

A noob player would try stand up and shoot him, a skilled player would tell his team that he is there, and then try and throw a grenade his way, while keeping his head down.


I've played on servers using absolutely no tactics whatsoever, just telling my squad; 'Ok lads, we are going for that flag. Move.'

And if thats with my pubbing mates from PRT, its fine; I can rely on their own skills to not need to tell them 'go hide behind that tree there'.

So, my argument is that is down more to skill than tactics. (Though tactics are fun when you can be bothered )

[Skodz]

Skill and experience is always gonna be a huge part of sucess in any FPS but good tactics can help for sure + making it funnier

[Waaah_Wah]

To be honest, at the end of the day, a team of slow, skilless players will loose against a team of quick, knowledgeable players, with good FPS skills.

Regardless of tactics.

I suppose being part of a skilled player is using 'tactics'; so for example, you get pinned down by a guy hiding behind a wall 10m away.

A noob player would try stand up and shoot him, a skilled player would tell his team that he is there, and then try and throw a grenade his way, while keeping his head down.


I've played on servers using absolutely no tactics whatsoever, just telling my squad; 'Ok lads, we are going for that flag. Move.'

And if thats with my pubbing mates from PRT, its fine; I can rely on their own skills to not need to tell them 'go hide behind that tree there'.

So, my argument is that is down more to skill than tactics. (Though tactics are fun when you can be bothered )

Thats where you are wrong my friend. You have a better chanse of killing him with your knife than with a nade.

[Cassius]

To be honest, at the end of the day, a team of slow, skilless players will loose against a team of quick, knowledgeable players, with good FPS skills.

Regardless of tactics.

I suppose being part of a skilled player is using 'tactics'; so for example, you get pinned down by a guy hiding behind a wall 10m away.

A noob player would try stand up and shoot him, a skilled player would tell his team that he is there, and then try and throw a grenade his way, while keeping his head down.


I've played on servers using absolutely no tactics whatsoever, just telling my squad; 'Ok lads, we are going for that flag. Move.'

And if thats with my pubbing mates from PRT, its fine; I can rely on their own skills to not need to tell them 'go hide behind that tree there'.

So, my argument is that is down more to skill than tactics. (Though tactics are fun when you can be bothered )

That isnt what iam talking about. Its not about micromanaging your squad, unless where appropriate, its about moving your squad in a good position, like instead of going directly to the flag, going around the flag and attack the flank or rear. Only the SL can do that. Or telling your squad to disengage when they are trying to target enemies on a roof, who only expose their head, while ur own guys expose themselfs far more.

Best example is Barracuda, choppers and squads going straight for the flag or trying to set up nearby=fail.

Another good example is one of the open flags at Kashan. If you try to go straightforward for the flag the defenders are in cover and you in the open. But if you take your 2 humvees drive unseen around the flag and attack the rear they are taken by surprise.

Or on Muttrah, instead of moving north to the next flag, move the alley up a bit further north and attack from the rear.

[Cobhris]

To be honest, at the end of the day, a team of slow, skilless players will loose against a team of quick, knowledgeable players, with good FPS skills.

Regardless of tactics.

I suppose being part of a skilled player is using 'tactics'; so for example, you get pinned down by a guy hiding behind a wall 10m away.

A noob player would try stand up and shoot him, a skilled player would tell his team that he is there, and then try and throw a grenade his way, while keeping his head down.


I've played on servers using absolutely no tactics whatsoever, just telling my squad; 'Ok lads, we are going for that flag. Move.'

And if thats with my pubbing mates from PRT, its fine; I can rely on their own skills to not need to tell them 'go hide behind that tree there'.

So, my argument is that is down more to skill than tactics. (Though tactics are fun when you can be bothered )

But because of the way PR is, a bunch of 1337 CoD4 players with .001 sec reaction times will still lose to a team of average people with good tactics. If you are winning without using tactics, it's because the enemy is just as dumb as you are. Using tactics does not necessarily mean moving slowly, it means analyzing the enemy and acting in a way that will minimize their ability to retaliate. Then it comes down to having the FPS skills needed to execute the plan well.

[kf_reaper]

good tactics and team work even slow beats the HUCK SMASH 1337 players. an good exp was the other day MEC just right out the start got south vilage and both bunkers but after that it went down hill the rest of the game. US just beat the @!$ out to of them. " they took the time to move there tanks APC and set up FBs oh ya and the A10." but just about all the squads on MEC were calling each other noobs and !@#$ and even the ppl calling every one els noob and @!# were trying to 1 man tanks/apc. "hell the brits squad i started in would no lison to me about tanking 2 tanks so we could out flank other armor and anything els but NO the whiney brit SL said only tank 1 tank and the flying trash cane ""the flying trash cane took what looked like a HEAT round. the whining brit that was on the 50.cal go the bright idea to start yealling --> "NOOBS and lots of other profanity:" over the mic and just keep on spaming it so me and the drive cant hear each other will were trying to do our job. "

we need a mute option for these kind of players.

[Cassius]

good tactics and team work even slow beats the HUCK SMASH 1337 players. an good exp was the other day MEC just right out the start got south vilage and both bunkers but after that it went down hill the rest of the game. US just beat the @!$ out to of them. " they took the time to move there tanks APC and set up FBs oh ya and the A10." but just about all the squads on MEC were calling each other noobs and !@#$ and even the ppl calling every one els noob and @!# were trying to 1 man tanks/apc. "hell the brits squad i started in would no lison to me about tanking 2 tanks so we could out flank other armor and anything els but NO the whiney brit SL said only tank 1 tank and the flying trash cane ""the flying trash cane took what looked like a HEAT round. the whining brit that was on the 50.cal go the bright idea to start yealling --> "NOOBS and lots of other profanity:" over the mic and just keep on spaming it so me and the drive cant hear each other will were trying to do our job. "

we need a mute option for these kind of players.

No you just need to leave the server when gameplay detoriates that much and post about it on the forum, if the server has one, so admins monitor the situation more.

[Solid Knight]

A good player will know when he can rush and when he needs to plan an assault.

I can't tell you how many times I'll report that the enemy is building a firebase at some flag then my squad leader takes his time to get the squad moving on the flag. Meanwhile I rush in there, wipe out about six people and take out their firebase. In my experience if people are shoveling a lot of them will just keep shoveling even if they're under attack so they're easy pickings but you have to act fast.

[AgentJadeD]

Communication with your squad wins battles. Having squad members that don't understand what orders are they are dead weight and will bring the squad down. Had that last night on one server, fortunately I CTD. and then found another server.

[Solid Knight]

Argh, I just jumped in a squad with an incompetent squad leader. It's not that he didn't know what to do it was that he was so damn slow when it came to reacting to changing situations and gave out really bad orders. If you're about to get rushed he should have been ordering people to hold them off at the choke point instead of ordering people to retreat so he could hide the rally in an even more protected spot (even though they'd have to wipe out three squads to get to ours). Things like that let lone-wolfs run over entire squads.

And of course the spat I had with him which caused many people to just up and leave his squad was when our firebase was getting raped by a vodnik. I found a safe path from the firebase to the enemy's rear. I positioned myself in a perfect attack angle. The enemy was intensely focused on the firebase and had nobody covering their rear. I asked the LAT guy to move to my position so he could take out the vodnik. The squad leader kept ordering me to move to a different position which was within the vodniks field of fire (well it was in the direction he was looking at). Since that would be monumentally stupid I disobeyed. I kept asking the LAT to move to my position which the squad leader wouldn't allow. I explained that I had the perfect attack angle, that they were wide open. Again, the squadleader refused. Now he wanted to move the rally (it didn't need to be moved as it was protected). Eventually I got fed up and went on a high-risk, high-payoff attack run. I succeeded in running up to the vodnik (about 100m of no cover). Shot the gunner out, killed the entire enemy squad and took out their rally. After that I told the squad leader he was incompetent and jumped to another squad. I mean seriously, what kind of squad leader would pass up the opportunity to attack the enemy from a position they are completely unprepared to defend against?

[=]H[=TangFiend]

I have a few tips for the discussion.
Use your move markers as a squadleader and look at each accomplishment/objective as a Mission

"Aright guys, friendly tank in D4 is calling for repairs lets get our engie up there to repair." -----> Arrow on top of vodnik

Once everyone is in use the map+arrow markers to navigate your driver. That way he can focus on the road and any immediate dangers instead of driving with on eye on the map. Squadleaders who drive when they don't need to make me nuts.

Arriving at Tank "Everyone out, take up positions lock your bodies up" -----R Repair marker on tank

Engineer begrudgingly does his thing fixes tank.

Thats MISSION 1 accomplished

"Okay guys next thing, lets take this flag -----> Arrow on vodnik "Everybody in, need a wheelman"

Guide your driver to the objective flag. -----D On approach throw up a defense marker in a safe area.

"When we hit the defense marker we are going to hop out and lay a rally. Drop ammo and that will be all fall back area." "If you guys need offensive limited kits do so now" "If you are dropping a rifle kit, drop your ammo beside the rally before you switch."

Squad does kit shuffling, its exciting like christmas

"Okay Joe you are on point, we are vectoring in on the flag from this direction" -----> arrow on next block Squadleaders who are first into the breach also make me crazy.

"Bob & Bill use the vodnik to support the advance from this direction" ----->arrow on other angle on advance

zoom zoom off they go

Lets your boys do their chatter as combat ensues. Use your attack marker with the "T" key+Scope -------|! attack marker
Use specifics when you spot targets "Two on the roof left of water can" "One in the alley LAT guy"

Try to coordinate suppression and fire superiority. Remember the squad with the most outbound flying projectiles usually wins. If you die wait at rally for a couple of heads before you dump back into the fight. If you have to adjust your attack angles use your move markers.

Zip zip snap pop boom boom Barring any uncontrollable variables and disasters your squad comes up with the flag. Joe looks happy he got some kills, big thumbs up from him. MISSION 2 accomplished

"Okay guys we are going on defense, lock your bodies up and cover some sectors." "Bill&Bob, patrol the perimeter with your vodnik." "I am going to put the rally inside here with us"---------D Defense marker on squadleader "Eyes and ears listen for enemy vehicles."


and so begins MISSION 3 ...

Lets review.

1. Tempo, Tempo Tempo.
2. Simple orders that work toward a mission objective.
3. Consistent use of markers to guide squadies to objectives
4. You are the squadleader not a superhero. Not the driver, not to top killer. Not the pilot.
5. Teamwork extends outside of your 6/6 squad. Your eyes should be on the map more than anyone in your squad. You should know what is going on outside your 6 guys.

[atshii]

H[=TangFiend;864051']I have a few tips for the discussion.
Use your move markers as a squadleader and look at each accomplishment/objective as a Mission

Pretty excellent advice, should be a must read for all squad leaders. Those SLs who don't use the markers on map tend to drive me crazy, so much time is wasted by trying to explain everything in voice.

Sure some people might think markers as gamey as they work instantly from any range, but I think that they compensate nicely for those things we can't do in game, like point to things as in real life.