Bullet Drop Factor Calculation

etu|John Jay · Post by **etu|John Jay** » 2006-05-14 12:26

I think the Mark 12 is just perfect.
You can use it for long range kills and for urban combat, because of its silencer. So if you got a good position, noone will find you.
This weapon makes me happy.

btw: It's very sad, that the spec op has no silenced gun anymore ...

driftist · Post by **driftist** » 2006-05-14 12:57

for me, the most accurate rifle is the SVD. I swear, the rifle is accurate, actually hits my targets. Too bad it's not silenced.. I guess I'll stay with the MK12... it's not bad, but a bit innaccurate (for me)

driftist · Post by **driftist** » 2006-05-14 13:02

That is a lie. A few/lot of people were complaining about the blatant innaccuracy of the M24 compared to the autoloader SVD. Point is, the M24 was so innaccurate no matter what you did.

And don't say you're just a better sniper. Even at point blank range it doesn't always work.

Post by **Rhino** » 2006-05-14 13:08

the SVD is way more powerful than the SPR, making them around about equal.

Malik · Post by **Malik** » 2006-05-14 14:19

I think the SPR should only have the silencer on on night maps. I like a bit of crunch from my sniper rifle, not the little "pffft" I get at the moment. And yes, I'll say it again, I really think the ghile suits need to be dropped on urban maps. If the SPR is being used, the ghile should be dropped. It won't take that long to model the urban sniper outfit, just combine parts from the other models. Just put that engineer hat on a spec ops guy for the USMC for example, then there's a sniper.

the.ultimate.maverick · Post by **the.ultimate.maverick** » 2006-05-14 14:54

i agree, I was playing on Mastuur today and felt VERY exposed in my ghillie suit!

NoMiS^ChaV=- · Post by **NoMiS^ChaV=-** » 2006-05-15 00:11

Not sure about the sniper class..I was thinking "reality" ...drop..32.2 per sec...point blank...hold under....on the map with all the hills, I forget the name of the map now but had a target below me about 450yrds away, I shot all around him and didnt he run, could I hit him .... no...lol. I went over to assault after that.

trogdor1289 · Post by **trogdor1289** » 2006-05-15 00:14

Ghille suit should be dropped on urban maps no question. Plus the M24 has always seemed inaccuarte to me but that's just beacuse i suck at sniping i have noticed however that i have died a lot more from the M24 recently.

driftist · Post by **driftist** » 2006-05-15 04:50

IMHO, the ghillie suit could be dropped too. I agree, but what about on the jungle maps? Jungle fever provides amazing cover for ghillie users, and aren't there separate models for jungle maps and desert maps? oh well.

BTW, I know this shouldn't be here but when BF2 0.3 comes out, will you guys remove the drop vehicle function? It sounds pretty interesting, and I would really love to have a Humvee dropped near me when Im stuck lugging it in the middle of the desert.

the.ultimate.maverick · Post by **the.ultimate.maverick** » 2006-05-15 04:51

We are saying, if possible, only drop the ghillie suit from city maps.

Post by **KingofCamelot** » 2006-05-15 05:52

Just an FYI for you guys, the M24 has about the same accuracy as the SVD. Its hard to do a direct comparison because of the number of different deviation settings for each weapon, but they even out to be about the same accuracy wise.

Us Devs definately agree that the ghilie suit should be taken off of urban maps. However, its not as easy as it may seem. The parts of a kit's outfit are not seperate, they are all one model so we can't just cut and paste pieces together like Malik suggested. So, in order to change the sniper outfit on urban maps we would have to model a whole new outfit and skin it, which takes time. It comes down to the fact that we just didn't have enough time to do it for 0.3. I'll put it on the to-do list for 0.4 though.

the.ultimate.maverick · Post by **the.ultimate.maverick** » 2006-05-15 11:22

KOC can I just ask, the SVD is a designated marksman rifle and the M24 is an actual sniper rifle, wouldn't it be more logical to make the M24 more accurate

driftist · Post by **driftist** » 2006-05-15 11:52

Actually, maverick's right. Autoloaders use smaller calibre, should have less damage and should have more bullet drop/bullet deviation/innacuraccy than an M24, or a barret for example.

That would also mean lowering the SPR's accuracy, just for even game.

Andrew_Kirk_25 · Post by **Andrew_Kirk_25** » 2006-05-15 12:01

I agree with Crawley. I laid down on a hill on Oman last night and popped five guys in a row with my M24 from long range.

the.ultimate.maverick · Post by **the.ultimate.maverick** » 2006-05-15 12:39

driftist wrote:Actually, maverick's right. Autoloaders use smaller calibre, should have less damage and should have more bullet drop/bullet deviation/innacuraccy than an M24, or a barret for example.

That would also mean lowering the SPR's accuracy, just for even game.

t wouldn't be wrong to lower the SVD's accuracy anyway. It has an accuracy of 2MOA at 600metre, compared to 1MOA at 800 metres for the M24, and the M24 is limited in accuracy by round diameter

mavit · Post by **mavit** » 2006-05-15 18:36

im having no prblems with the sniper rifles...i think they rule. perfect kills 6 in a row from long range id say 85% hit

trogdor1289 · Post by **trogdor1289** » 2006-05-15 19:32

I like the sniper rifles just as they are i would say the SPR feels too accuarte but other than that they are all good.

the.ultimate.maverick · Post by **the.ultimate.maverick** » 2006-05-16 07:32

The whole point though is that the SVD is not a sniper rifle

Post by **KingofCamelot** » 2006-05-16 07:40

'[R-PUB wrote:maverick']KOC can I just ask, the SVD is a designated marksman rifle and the M24 is an actual sniper rifle, wouldn't it be more logical to make the M24 more accurate

Yes, it would be more logical to make the M24 more accurate than the SVD. However, for balancing reasons I think the SVD should be left as is until we get a chance to revamp the MEC arsenal altogether. We wouldn't want to give the US an unfair advantage against the MEC (counter-sniping wouldn't work very well if the M24 can easily outshoot the SVD every time).

the.ultimate.maverick · Post by **the.ultimate.maverick** » 2006-05-16 07:41

Have a look at my PMs

Ah **** - I forgot to put in the SV98 or 99

In fact with the M40A1 being phased out, perhaps the MEC could get that? And plus there are a bunch of ex-Soviet sniper rifles (and modern Russian rifles) that are filtering into the MEC region (both suppressed and non-s).