[Faction Proposal] JGSDF Forces

[Tannhauser]

Sorry double post, I made a mistake ><'

To get back to the topic. Japanese vehicles...


Toyota "Koukidousya" HMV (High Mobility Vehicle)
Reskin the USI Repair HMMWV and recode to carry 5-6 men


Komatsu Type 96 APC
New model required


Reconnaissance Motorcycle HONDA XLR250R
Reskin xpack Motorcycle


Type 73 Middle Truck "Toyota 1.5t truck"
New model required, use USI 3tons as placeholder


Type 73 Jeep (Pajero type)
Forest camo UAZ (currently chinese)as long term placeholder


Type 73 Jeep "Mitsubishi J24A"
New model required/maybe use reskinned IDF M151 as placeholder


Komatsu LAV (Light Armoured Vehicle)
new model required


Type89 IFV
new model required


Type87 Reco Vehicle
new model required

Type90 MBT
New model required


Type74 MBT
New model required

Helicopters


Kawasaki OH-6D
Reskinned LB as place holder, needs new model


AH-1s Cobra
Just reskin de cobra


Kawasaki OH-1 Ninja
New model required


UH-1J
Reskin of the huey


Kawasaki CH-47J
Reskin the upcoming chinook


UH-60JA
Reskin the USA blackhawk

I think somebody is already making the SIG pistol for another faction.
The Type 89 and 64 assault rifles are top priorty, the MINIMI and 50. Browning are already ingame. Same goes for the M26 grenade, already ingame.
The Minebea M-9 and Type 62 seem to be low priorty. (MP5 and MINI fits the job until the M-9 is made, Type 62 is... low low priorty)
The Panzerfaust 3? The german Bunderswehr is making it :
https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f202-german-forces-mod/35322-weapon-pzf-3-600-wip.html

Still needs info about what scopes they use, if they have any DMR and SR and pics of uniforms on the field. Do they use any UGL versions of their Type 89/64? What is their current equivalent of a HAT? The Eryx can be a good placeholder for the stationary HAT.
The Anti-tank/Boat missile launcher looks odd, how is it used on the field? I doubt it's fired from those jeeps as they'd rip the windshield appart.

[Rambo Hunter]

Right now I'm trying to make a rough design plan spreadsheet like all the other factions

To answer some of your questions:
They use the "Type 01 LMAT", A fire and forget missile like the Javelin
They also use both the Panzerfaust 3 and the Carl-Gustav
The Type 89 can fire barrel-mounted rifle grenades (I need to fins more sources on this)
The Type 64 can mount an M84 scope

[Tannhauser]

In 2004, JSDF elements that had the possibility of seeing combat were issued an optic (an unmagnified red dot sight) with their Type-89 along with a mounting bracket in order to decrease target acquisition time. However, since the use of the sight is still in its provisional stage individual JSDF members are expected to purchase their own commercially available model for use in a possible combat theater. Commonly used optics include the Aimpoint CompM2 or the Bushnell and the MD33 (manufactured by Tasco Optics Japan under license).

From wikipedia JSDF Ground forces.

Seems the JSDF doesn't use/issue any conventional forms of Aimpoints or Scopes but rather lets its soldiers buy their own. We could just stick commerical aimpoints/eotechs on their rifles and other common scopes following the same pattern.

I have no idea of their military doctrine and know nothing of it. If they DO have DMR, it's possible to just grab a Type 89 and stick a scope on it. For the sniper, here's a link for their current sniper rifle : M24 Sniper Weapon System - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia And accordingly, a reskin would do just fine!

Here's a link to the Type-10, the future replacement of the Type-90 and 74 that will be officialy produced and fielded for 2010-2011.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLnjfYKhcU4[/youtube]

Oddly, the JSDF appears to still use some Type 60 tank-destroyers as the following link confirms : Type 60 Self-propelled 106 mm Recoilless Gun - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It should be noted that Japan's main combat force is its navy, so no surprises about it less focusing on its ground forces.


For a first map, best would be if we follow the path of the germans and start up with infantry mostly and what is reskinnable of the vehicles available (same goes for choppers). Maps with lots of poorly populated islands that make good use of choppers and infantry with just a few FAV's would be a good start. Sunset city wouldn't be bad either, for a start.
For the bigger, armor oriented maps, we'd need either maps in Japan (needs japanese city statics) or maps located in China (bigger areas and no needs for new statics). Making of skyscrappers for japanese cities is a necessity, if chinese PLAN was to Invade Japan, they'd inevitably reach one of japans cities/suburbs as there is not so much clear flat land in comparison to how many mountains and citiscapes there are. (From what I've seen of it however, Okita knows more?)


BTW, Here is the LMAT you're talking about

[sekiryu]

I don't see Japanese very important faction, so I'm gonna say no.

First off, who said you have to download the Japanese faction? Aren't all these factions optional?

Second: Scenario:

China is a bigger threat than North Korea (especially in the BF2 world). China attacks Taiwan, Taiwan falls. Guess what's less than 500 miles from Taiwan? The Japanese Okinawan islands. The lower Okinawan islands of Ishigaki and Iriomote are practically undefended; they're wildlife reserves. Shimojijimi is no longer an active SDF base, and Miyakojima has nothing but a small city. China can then move up from the Okinawan chain up through mainland Japan, surrounding South Korea, then Korea has to deal with not only the North attacking from the north, but China attacking from all sides as well. And we all know whose side China was on during the Korean War.

Anyone who knows history and geography knows how important the Japanese islands are.

As for the weapons, let's keep things simple:

Type 89F (folding stock variant)
Type 89 (main rifle)
Type 64 (limited numbers, really only used in reserve units)
Remington M700
P220 and/or P226

AH64D Longbow, just repaint the existing one
UH60 Blackhawk, repaint the existing one
Mitsubishi F2A. The F2 is actually 40% larger than your average F16, but if we can borrow an existing faction's F16 and just repaint it, done.

Type 90 tank
Type 89 fighting vehicle/troop carrier

That's all we really need.

[sekiryu]

The camo is not quite digital. It's like Flecktarn, but in different colors. I'll get some pictures up later tonight.

I also forgot to add the Minimi in with the weapons.

As for the statics, if there were to be a map on Ishigaki or Iriomote, you really wouldn't need any buildings. Just some hilly terrain. Ishigaki does have an airfield that might be of some strategical importance. The statics could be borrowed from the Chinese statics and edited.

[KingLorre]

First off, who said you have to download the Japanese faction? Aren't all these factions optional?

Actulay, all community mods are going into the main download when done, if they had to be all seperate files, then you would have seperate versions of PR everywhere. and thats just unlogical, bieng able to play one version but not the other because you miss just 1 army.

anyway, i dont really like the japanese army, but if youd make it into a nice faction for PR, i say go for it.

[sekiryu]

I don't particularly like the Polish, Russian, or Finnish armies....in fact, I don't think they've ever done anything (except for Russia, who is a perpetual idiot, responding to hostage situations with tanks, RPGs, and flamethrowers).

[azn_chopsticks_boi]

anyway, i dont really like the japanese army, but if youd make it into a nice faction for PR, i say go for it.

Guys don't need to say "I hate this faction and this faction"

[sekiryu]

This hypocrisy is what's killing me. Justification for not wanting a JGSDF faction is "oh, all they did was humanitarian aid in Iraq".

Poland = humanitarian aid, peacekeeping, security
Netherlands = humanitarian aid, peacekeeping, security
Norway = humanitarian aid, peacekeeping, security
Germany = humanitarian aid, peacekeeping, security

Polish forces, Norwegian forces, and Dutch forces were all operating in the same task force as the JGSDF in Samawah, Iraq. Currently, all Polish, Finnish, Dutch, and Japanese forces are withdrawn from the area.

The JGSDF is in the very same league as the Polish, Dutch, and Finnish forces, so to say that they aren't needed because they only do "humanitarian aid", while these other humanitarian-only countries are included, is not only unfair, but a crock of bullsh**. In fact, the JGSDF had more troops stationed than Norway did.

Let's look at the setup of the current factions and their enemies:

United States - MEC
Great Britain - MEC
Canada - MEC
Poland - MEC
Netherlands - MEC
Russia - MEC
Israel - MEC
Germany - MEC
Australia - MEC
Norway - MEC

MEC - everyone
PLA - no one

The PLA needs an enemy. JGSDF fills that role.








The Type 89 uses the same bolt group and short-stroke piston system as the American AR18 and British SA80.

[sekiryu]

It's served me well in 2 years of airsoft.

Forgot: length is 916mm from stock to muzzle.

[jbgeezer]

Norway - MEC

Norway against MEC?!?!, thats strange, doesnt fit at all! I thought we would be fihting Ruskies.

[sekiryu]

I don't really see the Ruskies fighting anyone other than themselves in the realistic future.

[azn_chopsticks_boi]

sekiryu, if you looked through the thread, i did say i wanted to help you in the beginning. But the JGSDF never took off. The as of now, there are not any German vs Mec maps, most of them are German vs Russians

[sekiryu]

So who are the PLA fighting?