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Posted: 2008-04-08 01:02
by Dylan
azn_chopsticks_boi wrote:I am pretty sure the G3 is here to stay, no matter how many times people will complain.
Thats right. I know that they didnt invest all those hours of modeling, skinning, exporting, coding, etc just to be wasted because "he wants, she wants". I like the G3. Its powerful, the maps support it very well, and I know when I fire that they will take cover.
Posted: 2008-04-08 01:27
by General Dragosh
azn_chopsticks_boi wrote:I am pretty sure the G3 is here to stay, no matter how many times people will complain.
The reason: German engineering !
Posted: 2008-04-08 12:04
by Maxfragg
General Dragosh wrote:The SL-8 ?
thats it, but it is a civilian rifle => no army will ever use it.
the MEC marksman rifle will be the G3SG1 (btw, there is a SL9SD, which is a 7.62 x 37 variant of this rifle, as silenced marksman rifle, which would be more likely, but i think the G3SG1 fits better an army with the G3 as main service rifle)
Posted: 2008-04-08 12:29
by Hotrod525
moj wrote:Is this possible? Let explain what has lead me to ask this. After searching through the forums, I've come to understand that although the devs have set no offical MEC background (AFAIK) there appears to be a consensus amongst members here as to what exactly the MEC is. Most people either seem to imagine it as either a NATO type organisation of Arab countries or something even more united, like a confederacy of states.
This got me thinking that since each nation uses various weapons, would it be feasible to mix things up a bit for certain maps? I mean keep the MEC as it is now, for some or most maps, but maybe something new could be done in the future. Examples -
AK's and RPK's instead of G3's and HK21's. Of the top 7 most populous Arab nations (Egypt, Sudan, Algeria, S. Arabia, Iraq, Yemen and Syria respectively) only Saudi Arabia actually uses the G3, none of them use the HK21 (S. Arabia uses the MG3 in that role to my knowledge). The rest use AKM's and RPK's, usually state produced or Chinese made. Also, it'd be nice to see MEC using the Steyr AUG too on some maps, since the Saudis are using it to phase out the G3, as well as Oman already using it as it's main service rifle (along with a British built Minimi for the AR role). The Aussies already seem to be working hard, getting a AUG sorted for their mod, this could be tweaked for an Arab version.
U.S. and British vehicles against their makers. Egypt has more than 200 F-16's (world's 4th largest user), as well as 36 AH-64D Apache's and over 1,000 M1A1 Abrams MBT's (over 100 to be upgraded to M1A2 by 2009). Saudi Arabia has 12 AH-64D's, over 150 F-15's (C, D and S), 72 Eurofighter Typoons on order, British Tornados, Blackhawks, over 300 M1A2's, over 1500 LAV III's and hundreds of HMMWV's. There's also the UAE which fields the F-16, Oman also fields the F-16 as well as the Challenger 2 MBT and Piranha LAV and Jordan with F-16's, AH-1 Cobras and British Challenger 1's. Finally there's Kuwait with 16 AH-64D's, 39 F/A-18 Hornets, over 200 M1 Abrams (not sure what subfix) and over 250 Desert Warriors.
I think it'd be very intersting to have Abrams vs Abrams, Apache vs. Apache or F-16 vs F-16. The only problem that I can think of thouogh is sourcing of parts, since the U.S. obviously wouldn't supply an army it's at war against or even just a political foe of, such as Venezuela or Iran (F-16 and F-14 respectively).
Why the hell United States sell all that stuff to them ?
Posted: 2008-04-08 12:59
by DeltaFart
To make them "friendly" to us, the way they were "friendly" to the USSR when they were being given T55s AK47s and SAMs
Really all the MEC has to do is cut off their oil from us, than they win
Posted: 2008-04-08 14:08
by darkNight
[R-MOD]Dylan wrote:The Militia officer kit has the skorpion in place of a sidearm. I had it today.
Sorry, my bad didn't knew it! But what I actually mean is that the DEVs should use the "vBF2 unlock system" to bring in a bit difference (for example for insurgents). That would be fun and I bet this would get more players play PR!
And this is doable!
Posted: 2008-04-08 15:54
by [uBp]Irish
my complaint though isnt about the hours of modeling and what not that have gone into the weapon. That I'm appreciative of, since it just continues to show the dedication the PR team has for their mod.
However, the g3 has some major fallbacks. When you compare it to the SA80/m16, it just doesnt compare. Sure it has a full auto function, but what is the point of using it when the gun as soon as it hits the 3rd bullet is aiming in the sky? Sure the round is powerful, but when the recoil causes your sight picture to go to hell, how are you expected to keep fire on target?
I dont care about the fact is so god-awful amazing, when it hits something, but the issue is exactly, "when it hits something" which is not alot of the time. I dunno if its accuracy or deviation is different than the m16/sa80/qbz series, but it just seems people cant put bullets on target with that gun.
Posted: 2008-04-09 15:35
by Blakeman
Ok in a perfect world I would like to see the MEC either changed to just one country (iran, iraq, turkey, libya, whatever) but if that were to not happen then I would like to see them with the AK-74 rifle (not to be confused with the ak 47) the AK-74 fires a 5.45x39mm round as opposed to the big 7.62x39mm round the ak47 fires.
Unlicensed copies were made in Bulgaria, China, Poland, East Germany and Romania. China selling the Ak-74 (type 88 is what they call it) to middle eastern countries isnt outside the realm of possibilities.
The Ak-74 is already in as a rifle for the militia squad leaders and in the MEC as part of the grenadier kit (with grenade launcher). Seeing all the former soviet equipment that the MEC uses anyway, this makes sense imo. Given the ease at which these rifles can be produced it makes even more sense.
To be quite honest I see the MEC as the most unrealistic force in PR, they dont really represent any real world force and should instead be dedicated to one country just as the western forces have been.
Posted: 2008-04-09 16:10
by General Dragosh
Well i like MEC, makes them "a lot of people" feel, i think they propably would use a lot of A&K products cause its very easy to maintain...
Posted: 2008-04-09 16:19
by TehDutchDude
Give the MEC sticks and stones, and give em up to 300 soldiers at once. Fix'd.
Posted: 2008-04-09 16:34
by General Dragosh
TehDutchDude wrote:Give the MEC sticks and stones, and give em up to 300 soldiers at once. Fix'd.
lol
now just give them bow's, crossbow's shurikens, spears and what'not and not even the US can stop the Fuzzle beards !
Posted: 2008-04-09 16:46
by nedlands1
Blakeman wrote:The Ak-74 is already in as a rifle for the militia squad leaders and in the MEC as part of the grenadier kit (with grenade launcher). Seeing all the former soviet equipment that the MEC uses anyway, this makes sense imo. Given the ease at which these rifles can be produced it makes even more sense.
The rifle which is used by the Militia squad leader and the MEC grenadier is in fact an AK-101. The AK-74 is currently not in-game but should be when the Russian Community mod is incorporated. I imagine that the Militia squad leader's weapon will be replaced by a AK-74 in the future. With respect to the MEC grenadier, he will receive an G3A3 with UGL. The rifle will probably mount an HK79 UGL and the Hensoldt 4x scope the current G3A3 has.
It should be abundantly clear that the MEC uses lots of H&K small arms. In the cases which they don't (which are pistols & DMR that I can think of) there isn't currently a H&K weapon in-game to fill that role. I think it is safe to assume that any new small arms the MEC adopts will be from H&K (from an logistical, economical and trend based point of view). AK's, I am afraid to say, aren't mass-produced by H&K.
Posted: 2008-04-09 16:54
by Maxfragg
for the DMR is a G3SG1 planed, so they will also use a H&k weapon for that
Posted: 2008-04-09 19:27
by gclark03
Can we give the G3A3 some kind of ACOG clone, if one exists? I really hate the huge aiming reticule on the current scope - it's the main reason why I can't really hit anything with the G3 at long range.
Posted: 2008-04-09 20:00
by Spec
*points at sig*
MP5 for MEC rifleman ironsights on urban maps!
Posted: 2008-04-09 20:06
by Blakeman
[R-CON]nedlands1 wrote:The rifle which is used by the Militia squad leader and the MEC grenadier is in fact an AK-101. The AK-74 is currently not in-game but should be when the Russian Community mod is incorporated. I imagine that the Militia squad leader's weapon will be replaced by a AK-74 in the future. With respect to the MEC grenadier, he will receive an G3A3 with UGL. The rifle will probably mount an HK79 UGL and the Hensoldt 4x scope the current G3A3 has.
It should be abundantly clear that the MEC uses lots of H&K small arms. In the cases which they don't (which are pistols & DMR that I can think of) there isn't currently a H&K weapon in-game to fill that role. I think it is safe to assume that any new small arms the MEC adopts will be from H&K (from an logistical, economical and trend based point of view). AK's, I am afraid to say, aren't mass-produced by H&K.
I stand corrected then about which one is in game. It wouldnt make as much sense to me to have the ak-101 only because of the NATO round it fires (5.56mm).
Posted: 2008-04-09 22:10
by gclark03
Any nation or coalition (like the MEC) with enough manufacturing power could produce their own 5.56x45mm ammo; even the Militia, being arms dealers, could certainly get enough NATO ammunition for its relatively small number of AK-101s in service.
Posted: 2008-04-10 07:57
by Expendable Grunt
As far as generic militias go, in Eastern Europe I'm sure you'd choose the AK because of paper trails. When you could drive to someone and buy and AK in cash, and he got it the same way (etc), there isn't a whole lot of stuff left to raise a red flag.