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I can sort of see how vanilla choppers would be better but not much, but I have never flown a helicopter so I wouldn´t exactly know.

Could you try out the OPK helicopters when you have time? I want to see what your opinion on them is compared to the vanilla and PR ones.

Waaah_Wah wrote:Yes, but there is a difference between giving feedback and being a DEV If this guy is actually a helichopter pilot you might want to listen to him.

everyone has to start somewhere and if hes a pilot and the one who wants to see these changes hes the best guy for the job, learning how to code is just opening the file, typing some new values in, packing up the files into zips and then testing them.

For the love og God and all that is holy! Why keep nagging about him coding something when hes not interested?

PS: How come "all" the military advisors in PR disagree with this guy?

Waaah_Wah wrote:For the love og God and all that is holy! Why keep nagging about him coding something when hes not interested?

PS: How come "all" the military advisors in PR disagree with this guy?

for the love of god why dose the entire moderator team think you should be banned as you offer nothing to this community but spam?

And I dunno what the your on about "nagging", All I'm saying he is the best guy for the job, if I was nagging I would be saying why are you not doing this, its called a suggestion and as for why I keep on repeating it that is because you do not seem to grasp that idea.

I dunno where I said "all" the MAs, we all agree the choppers need improvements epically ones like the Huey etc, but I have not seen KP, Brummy etc post any where saying "the chopper physics in PR are a joke" or anything along thous lines.

Waaah_Wah wrote:For the love og God and all that is holy! Why keep nagging about him coding something when hes not interested?

PS: How come "all" the military advisors in PR disagree with this guy?

Well I doubt they disagree with him, everyone knows the physics aren´t perfect. I just don´t think it is such a high priority issue. It takes time and hell, I tried changing it a bit and sort of failed.

I would love to have them realistic of course.

Well, saying that something is not perfect and flat out wrong and unrealistic are two completely different things TBH.

I don't understand why people keep on telling me to code it myself, or why they just ignore my remarks.

Change it back to how it was in BF2, it's MORE realistic!!! Or just tweak it from there! But PLEASE, don't continue with the crappy coding that has been done now.

Then its not going to get changed to how you want it, simple.

Robert1983nl wrote:I don't understand why people keep on telling me to code it myself, or why they just ignore my remarks.

Change it back to how it was in BF2, it's MORE realistic!!! Or just tweak it from there! But PLEASE, don't continue with the crappy coding that has been done now.

You're being told to code it yourself because there are many other things that require the Devs attention more than this. It is not a priority.

Robert1983nl wrote:I don't understand why people keep on telling me to code it myself, or why they just ignore my remarks.

Change it back to how it was in BF2, it's MORE realistic!!! Or just tweak it from there! But PLEASE, don't continue with the crappy coding that has been done now.

Because there is nothing MAJOR wrong with the helicopter physics right now. Therefore, nobody on the team has the time or patience to rework all of the helicopter physics just because you say they're unrealistic.

As Rhino has already stated too, it is incredibly hard to code helicopters how you want them - the process is far too time consuming.

So if you are so bothered by these 'unrealistic' characteristics, you should do it yourself, instead of demanding that other people should spend countless hours tweaking something to how YOU want it.

First off Robert, touche for that picture

Second, this speed problem. It seems your gripe is not the speed of the chopper itself, rather what is shown on the HUD. This CANNOT be changed without dropping speeds back to BF2v levels, which are frankly slower than a tortoise on ketamine. The logical thing to do then, which has been done in PR, is give choppers realistic speeds relative to the in-game environment rather than relative to the HUD.

If the speed is realistic relative to the HUD, then your going to have a speed which 'looks' ok from the cockpit perspective (i.e a realistic readout), but is in fact stupidly slow. Surely its better to have the speed be realistic relative to the in-game environment, and just ignore the HUD? Everyone else has adapted to this fine, but you seem to be having problems grasping it.

To put it simply, the HUD readout cannot be calibrated to give realistic readouts for the actual speed the chopper is doing without slowing it down needlessly just so it 'looks' right on the HUD.

[R-DEV]Pride wrote:Because there is nothing MAJOR wrong with the helicopter physics right now. Therefore, nobody on the team has the time or patience to rework all of the helicopter physics just because you say they're unrealistic.

You have GOT to be kidding me. Everything is wrong with helicopter physics. It's total ****.

As Rhino has already stated too, it is incredibly hard to code helicopters how you want them - the process is far too time consuming.

copy 'n pasting from BF2 code shouldn't be too hard.

So if you are so bothered by these 'unrealistic' characteristics, you should do it yourself, instead of demanding that other people should spend countless hours tweaking something to how YOU want it.

I'm just giving you guys advice on how to get helicopters anywhere near realism.

Dukemeister wrote:First off Robert, touche for that picture

Second, this speed problem. It seems your gripe is not the speed of the chopper itself, rather what is shown on the HUD. This CANNOT be changed without dropping speeds back to BF2v levels, which are frankly slower than a tortoise on ketamine. The logical thing to do then, which has been done in PR, is give choppers realistic speeds relative to the in-game environment rather than relative to the HUD.

If the speed is realistic relative to the HUD, then your going to have a speed which 'looks' ok from the cockpit perspective (i.e a realistic readout), but is in fact stupidly slow. Surely its better to have the speed be realistic relative to the in-game environment, and just ignore the HUD? Everyone else has adapted to this fine, but you seem to be having problems grasping it.

To put it simply, the HUD readout cannot be calibrated to give realistic readouts for the actual speed the chopper is doing without slowing it down needlessly just so it 'looks' right on the HUD.

LOL.... I thought I had made it clear... But I guess I have to keep on explaining again and again. I'm not complaining about the HUD readout, it's just that the helicopters move too fast.

And I already told you guys, if you want to see how fast the ground moves underneath a helicopter: JUST CHECK OUT YOUTUBE.

Since you people obviously didn't, here's one of my videos:
YouTube - -
You'll notice it's not NEARLY as fast as helicopters move in PR.

Robert1983nl wrote:You have GOT to be kidding me. Everything is wrong with helicopter physics. It's total ****.

copy 'n pasting from BF2 code shouldn't be too hard.

then surly you can code it, no?

I will keep on saying it, if you want it changed, do it yourself. If not, you have already put your advice here multiple times and if we have time to give a huge overhaul to all the chopper physics we may consider looking at them but we would rather take advice from some one who is going to be more constructive than "its total ****!"

I will see if Kill Pirate dose agree with you but I have not heard him say the chopper physics are soo bad in PR they need to be shoved onto the highest priority issue and I know for sure hes a pilot since I've seen many pictures he has presented to us of both him and his chopper, many good refs on how to improve the realism of the blackhawk for the US Army which we did for v0.8, where you have only given us a little computer shot with Robert typed into it....

I think the acceleration is more of a problem than the speed no?

[R-CON]Alex6714 wrote:I think the acceleration is more of a problem than the speed no?

IMO yes but in my experience its the hardest area to get right coding wise and certainly not bad enough to revert back to vbf2 physics.