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Re: [Map] Blackout

Posted: 2009-03-02 17:51
by Pride
Cat, your maps look really good, no joke, but the grass colour is THE major drawback. I'm afraid the whole community here agrees that the grass is simply the wrong colour, and needs changing.

Take a look at this:

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Can you see now that it needs to be changed?

Re: [Map] Blackout

Posted: 2009-03-02 17:55
by Brummy
[R-DEV]Pride wrote:Cat, your maps look really good, no joke, but the grass colour is THE major drawback. I'm afraid the whole community here agrees that the grass is simply the wrong colour, and needs changing.

Take a look at this:


Can you see now that it needs to be changed?
Yeah, the grass does look a bit too blue :p

Anyway, good luck with your map, cat ;)

Re: [Map] Blackout

Posted: 2009-03-02 17:56
by Rudd
I agree with what Pride said, but cat everything else about ur maps is AWESOME, we can't wait to see them finished.

Re: [Map] Blackout

Posted: 2009-03-02 17:57
by cat
I just realized that I posted my last post in the blackout thread. The grass photos are supposed to be in relation to radio_moscow. (Which is in playable beta state)
But about your advice, yeeah the top right corner color is not supposed to be colored like this.

So my post with the grass photos in it are supposed to underline my position in the controversy about radio moscow, my other map. This map (blackout) is not in a state I would submit it for review.

Re: [Map] Blackout

Posted: 2009-03-02 19:22
by Rhino
cat, accept your grass sucks and change it or give up.

Re: [Map] Blackout

Posted: 2009-03-02 20:00
by cat
Which map do you mean?

Re: [Map] Blackout

Posted: 2009-03-02 20:27
by Rhino
cat wrote:Which map do you mean?
all your maps have the same problem, just look at Pride's post above...

Re: [Map] Blackout

Posted: 2009-03-02 21:00
by cat
No. The grass on radio moscow good I think. I showed the photos above to prove that grass can actually have intense colors as in radio moscow.

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The comments from pride over blackout (the other map) are viable. However that map is WIP and it is not in a state I would submit it for review to the PR Team. The whole discussion about my app is based around radio moscow. Also if you look at the minimap you may notice that I toned down some of the green, INCORPORATING ADVICE from people. Unbelievable. Or not?

Let me say it again. So you do not confuse them.

Radio moscow (ready for review)
blackout (wip - colors not final)


Also what exactly is the issue here? I am having difficulty believing that various arguments over green tints can affect the map's quality. Just for the record: I did listen to some advice and I was being polite when I disagreed. And now this thing gets stuck on Rhino blaming me for having an ego?

Re: [Map] Blackout

Posted: 2009-03-02 21:08
by Rhino
are you just colour blind and refuse to believe your colour blind or something?

Both Radio Moscow and Blackout have the same problems, although on Blackout its more apparent....

Everyone is saying that your grass colour is neon, why dont you try taking a eye test or 2?

Its either your eyes or its you refusing to believe your grass is bad... try taking everyones advice...

This is my last post to you on this unless your going to change your grass since its simply not worth it...

EDIT: one last time trying with numbers instead of pictures...

your grass colour on radio moscow where the ground is bad is: R:40 G:72 B:35
your grass colour on blackout where its bad is: R:37 G:142 B:83

the grass colour from one of your pics is: R:71 G:88 B:36

there is a very large difference... use the eye dropper tool will help you if you really are colour blind or something.

Re: [Map] Blackout

Posted: 2009-03-02 21:14
by =Romagnolo=
The grass in your maps are too bright, but the rest of the map is really good.

Re: [Map] Blackout

Posted: 2009-03-02 21:40
by sakils2
Cat, your map looks really good! (Apart from the grass duuh)


Image

DO you see the top right corner? Now, if all the grass would be like that... your map would be SUPERB!

P.S. Can you add more houses? :D *I'm an infantry/urban combat whore*

Re: [Map] Blackout

Posted: 2009-03-03 01:05
by Hitperson
your grass is floressing (seriously was there a toxic spill or somthing??)

that really needs fixing as i have never ever seen grass with that vivid a tone of green.

Re: [Map] Blackout

Posted: 2009-03-03 01:10
by Rhino
cat wrote:I was warned about Rhino being "difficult" by 5 different CONS and DEVs. The warnings ranged from "He is a bit difficult" to "Do not listen to him, he is an idiot".
lol, only just read your post in full, had to sig that :mrgreen:

would love to know what "CONs / DEVs" you asked, or is it just all bullshit by any chance? :lol:

Re: [Map] Blackout

Posted: 2009-03-03 02:14
by HughJass
jesus christ he still does not want to change the damn grass color!?

Re: [Map] Blackout

Posted: 2009-03-03 02:32
by space
cat sometimes you can be working on your map so much that you get used to certain colours, and its easy to lose your judgement.

Also even if that green colour is accurate - it just doesnt look right, and that is the important thing. I have moorland on my map, and I could show you reference pictures of anything from purple, to pink to bright yellow moorland - and sometimes in the same shot. If I maped those colours, then in game it would look terrible, and the fact that it was "realistic" would be irrelevant. I found that many things that occur in real life, look weird to some people, because they may not of seen it themselves. Therefore, you have to almost make your map a kind of stereotype of peoples preconceptions.

I've received alot of feedback on my map, and most of it Ive have accepted straight away, and been shocked that I didnt notice the problems myself earlier. Sometimes Ive disagreed, but literally EVERY time that I disagreed, after a few days I realised their point and changed my map for the better.

Your map looks great apart from one thing ;-)

Re: [Map] Blackout

Posted: 2009-03-03 02:37
by Rudd
Rhino is difficult about certain things, like Qinling...it needs work imo. But it has gameplay problems rather than aesthetic problems.

Re: [Map] Blackout

Posted: 2009-03-03 03:00
by Tannhauser
Quit the E-Drama guys, not only you're making him angry but at the same time you're pissing off everyone wanting this map in PR.
In all due respect, I think both maps are fantastic Cat, and you seem to be a great mapper unlike me. However ego and E-penises aside, you should darken the color of those grass patches on Radio Moscow, not only because it looks unreal for many, but also because if it looks unreal it will not be implemented in Project-Reality. I'm not suggesting your colorblind, nor that you're a bad mapper! To the contrary you have incredible potential IMO, but this is the only thing keeping you from achieving and proving your talents in mapping in PR. As much as DEVs can't force you, you can't force them to accept this unreal color of grass in their mod, not only Rhino, but all of them now.
Like many here, I'm really looking forward playing on Radio Moscow and Blackout, please can we put aside the quarrels with Rhino and work for a greater good? ;-)

Re: [Map] Blackout

Posted: 2009-03-03 03:33
by Wilkinson
Go Tannhauser! I mean Rivera! lol. Good map, Looks nice. But the grass really needs to be changed. I know people are saying stuff but they are supposed to in a forum. thats kinda why you posted....to get feedback...Right?. All in all if you look at PR maps none have that kind of green grass.. Its unrealistic in an urban combat zone or just jungle/forest period. Unless its the amazon or wake island... :P

Re: [Map] Blackout

Posted: 2009-03-03 08:44
by Z-trooper
[R-DEV]Rhino wrote:lol, only just read your post in full, had to sig that :mrgreen:

would love to know what "CONs / DEVs" you asked, or is it just all bullshit by any chance? :lol:
Hahah :P

Rhino is only a problem to work with if you are lazy :D

Re: [Map] Blackout

Posted: 2009-03-03 09:31
by Rhino
Dr2B Rudd wrote:Rhino is difficult about certain things, like Qinling...it needs work imo. But it has gameplay problems rather than aesthetic problems.
lol, Qinling sucks, not worth wasting time working on it :p
Tannhauser wrote:not only Rhino, but all of them now.
if you look back though the posts there is not one dev who has said the grass colour is good and all that have commented have said its bad :p
[R-CON]Z-trooper wrote:Hahah :P

Rhino is only a problem to work with if you are lazy :D
lol, I wouldn't call you lazy, I just wanted my fort completed :p