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What happened to the server? It's down for a couple of hours now.

Server will be down for a while. Hetzner (our hosting company) have locked our box due to all the DDOS attacks we have been getting and are refusing to unlock it atm as it is affecting other servers they run. Atm we are looking at ways to fix this but will take a few days.

@Dogmaster

You're not talking about the situation normally when adding comments like "hehe done talking here" and "I mean good job admins". It just makes you look like a butthurt 12-year-old.

This is feedback section, If U wont accept some negative feedback, what is the meaning of feedback?

If you read the very first sentence he wrote you might wonder what the fuck you actually meant by that.

An obviously ridiculous cache location... but once again, a DOD issue as well.

Admins have to realize that it is sometimes hard to know if you're within the DOD or not. Perhaps the 3dac member though that you were also warning him even though he was slightly outside the DOD. Either way, if the DOD's were marked on the map, it would be easier for both players and admins to have such awareness, in my opinion.

But the Devs are against the idea and the community hasn't shown much initiative in changing their point of view.

@saxoni,

Don't know how a butthurt 12-year-old looks like, But maybe U could send a picture of your self.


I gave this reaction:
''This is feedback section, If U wont accept some negative feedback, what is the meaning of feedback? ''

On this:

''We consider the matter closed but feel free to open a post at *NwA* Clan if you wish to discuss it further.''

And on the moment I typed ''good job admins'' and ''Hehe done talking here''

I disagreed on his way of action, by that I was pist.
Maybe it was not good reaction from me, I am sorry about that and I apologize.

But still I disagreed on the action he took in game.

Gr,

Dogmaster

@Onil once again this is not an issue about the location of the cache, but is an issue to do with the fact that when everyone else was asked to move out of the DOD they did, however, the 3DAC player continued to argue with the admins and ignore server rules. The 3DAC member was asked and subsequently warned to stop spamming the all chat and to respect the server rules and the admin's decision. He continued to argue and so for the good of the other 63 players he was removed from the server.

I would like to say to everyone that whilst you might not agree with the course of action one of our admins has taken, the admin(s) do the best they can at the time for the good of the server. If you wish to debate our rules then please either come on here or go to our forums and we will be more than happy to discuss them. However, when giving feedback (be that negative or positive) please at least be fair and represent the facts correctly. It would be unprofessional of us to post chat logs and BR files on a public forum such as this, however, if the facts are misrepresented we have little other choice to show why the course of action was followed.

I gave this reaction:
''This is feedback section, If U wont accept some negative feedback, what is the meaning of feedback? ''

On this:

''We consider the matter closed but feel free to open a post at *NwA* Clan if you wish to discuss it further.''

You got a a proper and extensive reply, which is all you can ask for. After he replied he said that the matter is closed as - I would assume - he has done what he can to reply to your criticism.

If you leave your bitching behind before you start giving feedback people will take you more seriously, heck, they might even respect you.

Right now you just seem like an immature kid that's mad because he feels like he has been treated unfair, and my claim is very well supported by the first sentence you replied to me with.

dogmaster wrote:@saxoni,

Don't know how a butthurt 12-year-old looks like, But maybe U could send a picture of your self.


I gave this reaction:
''This is feedback section, If U wont accept some negative feedback, what is the meaning of feedback? ''

On this:

''We consider the matter closed but feel free to open a post at *NwA* Clan if you wish to discuss it further.''

And on the moment I typed ''good job admins'' and ''Hehe done talking here''

I disagreed on his way of action, by that I was pist.
Maybe it was not good reaction from me, I am sorry about that and I apologise.

But still I disagreed on the action he took in game.

Gr,

Dogmaster

I worte that "we consider this matter closed" in reference to the PR forum server feedback section as we have both had our say, to stop any forum MOD getting involved and invited you to continue the conversation on our clan forum.

I would also like to thank every one else for the replies in support of server admins in general, its a hard job especially while trying to play and enjoy the game ourselves.

Happy Fragging! EVERY ONE!

@saxoni

We can keep going on with this, I you want to make a point please join our Teamspeak and we can talk about it.

And you say to me that I look like a butthurt 12-year-old and than a immature kid.

@Dogmaster

You're not talking about the situation normally when adding comments like "hehe done talking here" and "I mean good job admins". It just makes you look like a butthurt 12-year-old.


doesn't that look like:


@Saxoni

You're not talking about the situation normally when adding comments like "butthurt 12-year-old" and "immature kid''
. It just makes you look like a butthurt 12-year-old.

girls, you are both beautiful.
Just so you know, keep going on this path and a mod will be upon you

Arguing with admins whether their rules are stupid or not, is not wise. When server has rules YOU obey the rules. And if there is situation like this DOD thing, admins will try their best to balance the situation that both teams has opportunity to achieve their goal.

I have been admin in situations that whatever i do, i do it wrong from someones oppinion. Those situations need to be solved by talking. BUT if someone dont give a damn of rules and dont follow admins orders, i would kick him out instantly.

Delta1292 wrote:@Onil once again this is not an issue about the location of the cache, but is an issue to do with the fact that when everyone else was asked to move out of the DOD they did, however, the 3DAC player continued to argue with the admins and ignore server rules.

You are right... the cache location is not an issue per say, it is the cause of plenty of issues. Point is, caches (and flags for that matter) that are close to a main base are nothing but the bad planning of the mapper as it is quite easy to predict the result of such locations in the game play perspective.

Players won't follow rules when there aren't many other options than to use a DOD and admins don't know when to interpret and adapt their own rules to a certain situation instead of making it worst. Both are partially right and partially wrong and there is no obvious solution for the situation but the admin tends to have the last say in the matter.

If the cache would have never been in such a shitty position, there would have been no issues. So instead of throwing blame at each-other, how about you just keep it cool and understand that the cache shouldn't be there in the first place and it needs to be reported so that it is removed.

Your members give bad examples all the time and then criticize or even kick if others do the same. Don't you have a rule against team killing (on purpose or while trolling) ? What about asset wasting? How about you get your members to think a bit about that next time they're pubbing

Your server, your rules... too bad they don't apply to all.

Nice resurrection of the thread onil, I guess you didn't read the part where we said we see no further need for discussion. However, I shall again reply to your post.

Once again, there were plenty of other places to defend the cache from, indeed many people defended the cache from other areas. HOWEVER the reason for the kick was due to the fact that the 3DAC member continued arguing with the admins and not accepting their decision. If it was the cache's fault then I'm sure there would have been complaints from people other than the 3DAC community, yet everyone one else appreciated that fighting from the DOD was firstly against server rules and secondly not exactly in the spirit of the game and so either moved out of the DOD and/or found different locations to defend the cache from.

As regards to your second point, we have a wide range of admins, some of whom are strict and stick to the rules like they were laws, whereas most of us see them as guidelines and make exceptions when we feel it is necessary, in this case the admin team deemed shooting from the DOD to be a problem that was not within the spirit of the game or our rules and so the 3DAC member was asked to stop and to move to a different location outside DOD. Once again if this was an admin issue then I'm sure there would have been complaints/discussion from people other than the 3DAC community, as there was not then I believe this is an issue with the 3DAC members and not administration of the server.

Moreover, I do not believe that anyone is "throwing blame", it has been said time and again that the 3DAC member was removed due to persistent arguing with the admin team. That is pretty self explanatory and does not require discussion. I have no issues with the cache placement as there were plenty of other locations to defend it from that were outside of the DOD. I believe this will be the third or fourth time that you have been given a calm, comprehensive reply to your feedback. Your attempts to create a larger issue out of what is a minor incident have repeatedly failed

Our members are held to the same rules that pubbers on the server are. What you do not see is the fact that they are told off in teamspeak and/or our forums rather than shouting all over the server when there is no need for it. Indeed I know of several instances recently when members have been kicked or temp banned from the server for their actions.

Your attempts to incite an angry reply from our admins and create a larger issue out of what is a minor incident have repeatedly failed, may I suggest you cease now before you make yourself (and the clan you represent) look even more foolish.

Hi All, a quick update on the condition of our servers.

Unfortunately we no longer have the funds to pay for a ?50 a month pr server. We have been switched of by Hetzner due to the DDOS attacks we have been under and we cant afford to spend ?150 for 3 months for a PR server we just don't have the funds.

We are not saying we won't ever have a PR server again . Its just financially we don't have the cash to purchase one for the time being.

We hope people will remain with us and squad up on other people's servers until we can purchase our own servers again but until that time we will only have a Teamspeak server

Thank you for all your support during the years and NwA will remain here for ever. Once there is another way to fund the PR side of the clan again we will be up and running.

Thank you

*NwA* Admin Team

Wow, this is extremely sad to hear. I hope you guys come back soon. You have a very steady player base and it would be a shame to see NWA,your server and your players go away.

Woaw

We're running out of European servers, that's really painful.

Delta1292 wrote: I have no issues with the cache placement as there were plenty of other locations to defend it from that were outside of the DOD. I believe this will be the third or fourth time that you have been given a calm, comprehensive reply to your feedback. Your attempts to create a larger issue out of what is a minor incident have repeatedly failed

Our members are held to the same rules that pubbers on the server are. What you do not see is the fact that they are told off in teamspeak and/or our forums rather than shouting all over the server when there is no need for it. Indeed I know of several instances recently when members have been kicked or temp banned from the server for their actions.

Your attempts to incite an angry reply from our admins and create a larger issue out of what is a minor incident have repeatedly failed, may I suggest you cease now before you make yourself (and the clan you represent) look even more foolish.

Delta perhaps you are the one who aren't reading my reply properly since your interpretation of it has always been wrong. So let me clarify it for you:

I'm not a member of 3dAC and I am not defending any of its members or their actions in that incident. I'm not blaming the admins for their reaction to a player who kept discussing server rules while in game and i'm not trying to get an angry reply from one of your admins to make you look bad or something alike. I'm not a member of any clan and the fact that you would automatically connect my personal opinion to everyone in a clan as some type of bad reputation, shows how wrong you are on your interpretation of my comment.

Me stating that caches and flags being placed too close to a main base as the cause of plenty of similar issues has nothing to do with this particular incident alone but with many that keep happening on public servers. Sure there are other options than firing from DOD, but are they effective enough? Your opinion is that the cache location is fine, mine is that it is not. As simple as that.

And I'm yet to see you guys accept negative feedback without over and over writing the same wall of text defending the honor of all your admins and members. Just take the negative feedback as you would take a positive one. My point was that on plenty of occasions I have seen NwA members (admins or not) in similar situations where they are obviously breaking the server rules and either nothing happens or perhaps as you say, get warned in TS. That is, if there is actually someone higher up in your "chain of command" that will deal with it on that particular moment.

My opinion is that issues like that happen on a regular basis so it is not been dealt with effectively as they keep happening. And it is quite obvious that if it was anyone else breaking the rules, it would have been dealt with in a strict way. This is a very straight forward negative feedback, there is no need for you to even reply to it as long as you acknowledge it and perhaps even try to reduce the issue.

Good luck with your server issue, hope to see them back in the future as I quite enjoyed having an european insurgency only server to play in.

Onil. Read the comments above. Way to diss on a server that is closing.

Well I'm sorry to have lumped you in with 3DAC, it was a presumption and I was wrong.

We have a 3 tier admin structure at NwA, with Red Administrators and Founders (top), Green senior Admins and Blue Junior Admins. Unfortunately we can only correct our members and admins when things are brought to our attention. When a member does something wrong then they are warned and disciplined over teamspeak. I agree this gives the impression that nothing is being done, when in actual fact there is a lot that happens behind 'closed doors', this is the same with many servers and many clans, there is no need to air the dirty laundry in front of everyone.

I missed the point of your feedback as it was hidden in the context of the specific situation that had been debated. However, I acknowledge it now and would like to say we have tried different resolutions to admins being over zealous but it is difficult to control or monitor without going through every chatlog/adadmin file.

As an aside, it is through calm debate like this that issues can be resolved, I did miss your initial point in your post and I am sorry for that, but thank you for keeping calm and explaining.

I am sorry NWA about your server, was a good server and I hope it will be back up at the future.

But what U stated couple post above about 3dAC is wrong mate, U talk like we trolled the server, that we did everything wrong..

I posted couple of times that people could check battlerecorder, and know why we gave such a reaction to the admin.

From that I hope that people know better than the story above

Greets,

dogmater