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Posted: 2007-07-02 22:45
by Rhino
=CDU=Junkoe wrote:On the same token you can't say it's all my clanmates that have immature attitudes an posts. It takes two to tango.
I take it you mean by that, that we where posting immaturely aswell? please quote a comment on your fourms from egg or me that was immature?

also there is another way around this problem. you guys, like me and 90% of the ppl here just let things like the long respawn times grown on you if you can, play on yours, or other servers that have the default spawn time settings etc and yes it may be frustrating at first, but some day you may come to love it. I know for one when I first played PR I thought it was utter ****, it took me aload of tries to get into it and I can never fully go back to vbf2 now, or any other game like that as I have "seen the light" as such and how much better gameplay you can have when you play as a team, like PR was ment for.

but in the end, its your guys choice and w/e you do, I respect your view on w/e gameplay you like but please dont try and mod PR into that gameplay, if PR's default settings aint for you.

Posted: 2007-07-03 01:03
by Threedroogs
=CDU=Junkoe wrote: So it is a matter of traffic, if we were as big of a community as TG, I bet we could run a passworded server from the start and have no problem keeping it filled.

I guess what I am trying to say is this, the password thing won't work for us because it would severely limit our traffic.

do you understand that *this* is the problem? you dont want to password your server because you want to have accesss to the PR public that randomly comes in looking for a game. no regular players would ever join your server, so you're clearly trying to skim new players (to PR) out of the player base. it isnt hard to figure out why the devs are so pissed at you guys...

Posted: 2007-07-03 03:57
by tekkyy
Whats so hard to understand?

Just imagine how annoying it would be if every server you joined had their own server side mods.

I still remember the days when I played Starcraft and Warcraft3.
You join a game and it redownloads the map. If you didn't watch carefully you are in for a nasty surprise. :evil:

Hence, nothing short of passwording modded servers would do.

Posted: 2007-07-03 05:01
by OkitaMakoto
stopped reading at page 8, but figured id still ask... egg, will you bear my children? ...its ok if you dont want to... :(

I will wait for as long as needed for .6 to be what it will be. PR is my internet life. besides, itll give me more time to work on my map, maybe have it erady for .6's release. HA, no chance. :)

=CDU=C00LNAM3P3NDING:
All it ever was was bf2 with some settings changed.
I played it long enough to uninstall it.
lol, what version is he playing? .005 open beta?

Also, they are taking it WAY to personally. I think this wouldnt have come up if only one server was changing spawn times, but the fact, as Egg said, is that after .5 was out, TONS of servers changed spawn times and such. Now THAT is a problem. What it all bouils down to is that if you make one follow the rules, you gotta make them all. PR couldnt say, well, CDU, since your clan is ALL about modding mods, then ok, you can. No. Then every other server would want the same treatment. None of what Egg is doing was meant (originally? ;) ) to be a personal attack on CDU... Did I make any sense?

<3
Oki!

Posted: 2007-07-03 05:41
by BeerHunter
Soooo.. does anyone have any idea when the real .6 is coming out? :roll:

Posted: 2007-07-03 05:49
by OkitaMakoto
When its done.

<3
Oki!

**edit**
mongolian dude, I am so tempted to make you a badge to wear on our forums.
Get in line for your "Kissing Eggman's *** Merit Badge." I wonder if I'll ever get mine...
I just realised that might be taken as an ******* comment. add in a :) and ;)

Posted: 2007-07-03 07:36
by Wasteland
Wow. Well, I've been climbing in the Rockies the past 4 days, so I've missed all this Drama Redux that's been going on. But I'd still like to weigh in with my 2 cents, dripping with sage-like wisdom gleaned from my brief time in the mountains. The wisdom will probably be tempered by the four scotches I've had since I arrived home.

Project Reality is an attempt to modify a very popular, very "arcadey" game into a more cautious, tactical, and in the end, "realistic" depiction of war. Many players, upon first finding PR, will be in for a bit of a shock.

I was this way. I found PR about a year ago. I was thoroughly confused much of the time, and found that I was dying an awful lot. But I was intrigued by the fact that there was actually "lines of control" to some extent (something you never saw in vBF2) and that people were using VOIP extensively (again, something rarely seen in vBF2).

Because I enjoyed the maturity of the players, as well as the nature of the game play, I stuck with the mod. Now I am very skilled at PR (and I'm modest too! ;) ), and enjoy a degree of involvement in the community.

This is exactly what I believe the devs want to occur. They want people to come across PR, and either hate it and leave, or find it overwhelming, but with a gleaming kernel of great gameplay just visible under the surface. The former group is quickly discarded, and the latter group sticks around and learns to play in a more tactical, cautious way.

Since the devs have contributed so much to this mod, and it is, after all, their mod, I think it's only right that we respect their wishes. They created not just a string of code, but an idea of how a game and it's community would be formed, and they are merely protecting that idea from being derailed.

SSM's such as the one that CDU ran create a problem for the dev's vision. Instead of new, "fresh from vanilla" players being "pushed out of the nest" and directly into PR to either fly or fall, they are given a potential distraction.

And so we are confronted with three major problems.

1) Players with no interest in tactical play stick around. They will also bounce around into PROS servers, upsetting the tactical play taking place there.

2) Players looking for tactical play (such as Colfax) will find a SSM server and be put off by the gameplay there. I for one never really read the server message, nor do I pay attention to the text at the top of the screen. I think many others are the same way.

3) Players who would like tactical play, but don't know it yet (such as myself 1 year ago) will never be thrown into that sink or swim situation that results in them finding the joys of tactical play.

I understand that you feel that since it's your server, you have the right to do what you wish with it. But it is the dev's mod. And they can distribute it under any conditions they like. And if the three problems illustrated above are sufficiently undesirable to them, they can take what steps they like to eliminate their occurrence.

Posted: 2007-07-03 08:11
by blackeagle1992
oh yeah to him you answer well with no assault when i one time asked this question nicely with no assaulting anybody everyine assaulted me
the mod is great but the community here at the forum sucks a$$
how come i never played with pigs like you at project reality online?
how come everybody is nice there? and youre just filfthy annoying pigs

Posted: 2007-07-03 08:30
by AfterDune
blackeagle1992 wrote:oh yeah to him you answer well with no assault when i one time asked this question nicely with no assaulting anybody everyine assaulted me
the mod is great but the community here at the forum sucks a$$
how come i never played with pigs like you at project reality online?
how come everybody is nice there? and youre just filfthy annoying pigs
STOP the name-calling, blackeagle. This thread is about discussing stuff, not talking shite about this community and calling people "filthy annoying pigs". Stay on topic and post something worth reading. If you somehow cannot do that, please remove yourself from this discussion.

Posted: 2007-07-03 09:42
by DrMcCleod
=CDU=Junkoe wrote: The password thing does seem simple but we have never once ran a passworded server. At the same time the devs do not want people playing their mod in a different fashion. Again we are at a stand still. So while it does suck for both our communities I really have no idea how to solve this dilemma. It really is a damn shame.

Just call the server 'CDU. Password ='Modded'. Or something like that. Just so it is obvious to all players.

Posted: 2007-07-03 09:42
by Rhino
blackeagle1992 wrote:oh yeah to him you answer well with no assault when i one time asked this question nicely with no assaulting anybody everyine assaulted me
the mod is great but the community here at the forum sucks a$$
how come i never played with pigs like you at project reality online?
how come everybody is nice there? and youre just filfthy annoying pigs
link to your past bits you are on about?

Posted: 2007-07-03 09:50
by bosco_
I guess he's referring to the one where he called the Palestinians monkeys.

Posted: 2007-07-03 09:52
by AfterDune
DrMcCleod wrote:Just call the server 'CDU. Password ='Modded'. Or something like that. Just so it is obvious to all players.
I don't think this is what we want. The only difference with non-passworded is that some users don't see it listed (due to the password checkbox), but that's it really. I really hope displaying the password in the servername will be forbidden too.

If people want to play Altered PR, they will find those servers and they will found out how to join them. If those players are really interested, they will visit the server's website and they will try to find a way in.
And if not... more souls to the PR community (if they like it the way it's meant).

Posted: 2007-07-03 10:15
by blackeagle1992
'[R-PUB wrote:bosco']I guess he's referring to the one where he called the Palestinians monkeys.
yeah well i am angry at those nazi pigs and yes they are pigs saying there is such a thing as palestinian is like saying there is no such thing as israel

Posted: 2007-07-03 10:28
by Rhino
blackeagle1992 wrote:yeah well i am angry at those nazi pigs and yes they are pigs saying there is such a thing as palestinian is like saying there is no such thing as israel
well to be honest the only one being offensive here that I can see is you. I have seen no other uses be offensive to you in the past (i dont read all the topics thou. If it comes up again contact a moderator and they will set it strait.

for now, calm down and forget about it.

Posted: 2007-07-03 10:30
by blackeagle1992
alright alright you right this is my last offensive post from now on i just report offensive ppl

Posted: 2007-07-03 10:35
by Rhino
cheers :)

Posted: 2007-07-03 13:32
by Colfax
AfterDune wrote:I really hope displaying the password in the server name will be forbidden too.
I think they already said this wasn't ok



I think it interesting after all this they still think they will get licensed for a server when Eggman has blatantly said they won't.