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Re: [Proposal] Islamic Republic of Iran Army

Posted: 2009-04-24 01:54
by Tannhauser
I kind of like their look with ACUs, it looks stylish yet, modern and I'm sure it does better than a few of their much older camos. :)

TBH, they look much more professional with ACU on with berets.

Re: [Proposal] Islamic Republic of Iran Army

Posted: 2009-04-24 03:35
by badmojo420
STORM-Mama wrote:Badmojo, any progress on the camoflauge?
Sorry the camo progress kinda got put on hold when i started mapping. But, hearing those voice recordings sparked my interest again. Should i do that digital pattern for their camo? PR is set in the near future, so maybe it's a better choice. Not to mention in desert maps it would look better than woodland.

Re: [Proposal] Islamic Republic of Iran Army

Posted: 2009-04-26 09:07
by TempesT
Cool idea, I'd like to play this faction!

Re: [Proposal] Islamic Republic of Iran Army

Posted: 2009-04-26 15:45
by STORM-Mama
Problem right now, though, is that we don't know if the guys on the picture are part of some obscure airborne unit or whatever. There is such a huge variety between uniforms within the IRIA, so many different branches, all of them with their own camo. Can someone please identify the soldiers on the picture as regular army?

And do you have the reference you need to start texturing?

Personally, I'm a big fan of using the Woodland camo (with added dust and sand to make it blend into the terrain somewhat better), but if Iran is actually planning to replace their US Woodland uniform with this ACU-clone I guess it would have to be in PR :wink:

Mohfath, done any more voice-acting? :P

Re: [Proposal] Islamic Republic of Iran Army

Posted: 2009-08-07 02:48
by IranEnthusiast
So someone was asking about the Iran army in a defense-related forum, and i answered them there, but being a BF2 and occasional PR player, i decided i'd post a complete answer here. If an Iranian faction was actually instituted even as an add-on i'd be sold and would make PR my primary game.

Small Arms
Assault Rifle - KH-2002 / Khaybar. While the G3, AK or S.5.56 (M16 copy) may be more widespread, this would result in confusion between the two sides, assuming a battle vs the US or an "Iraq/Saudi" style enemy. Plus it is always nice to have variety, for instance, if you wanted to shoot an AK, you'd just go play as the MEC. Mechanics wise the Khaybar would be roughly equivalent to the US's M-16 because the internal components are derived from it. However it may not have a 3-round burst setting on it, it may just be single and full auto. It has been shown with a bayonet attached.

Pistol - The standard side arm is the PC9, a domestic copy of the Sig Saur -226. I'm not sure how one would want to skin that ingame.

Sub-Machine gun - I'd definitely advise the use of the MP5, while it's already being used by the US, there is simply no other choice (absent, ironically enough, the uzi in use by a few special forces brigades. In Iran it goes by the name MPT-9, they use the regular MP5A3 version.

Sniper Rifle / DMR Rifle - Steyr HS .50 / SVD. Ultimatelt the reason for this choice comes down to the fact that there are no other dedicated sniper rifles in the Iranian inventory. Sure theres the SVD but thats not a sniper rifle, thats why it belongs in the DMR category.

Infantry Skins
As mentioned previously, Iran uses an eclectic blend of camouflages. We can assume that any of the maps for this faction would focus around the south-west in much the same manner as the Iran-Iraq war as opposed to being around the north near Tabriz, although a few battles in the east near Maashad on the border with Afghanistan would certaintly be interesting. Bottom line is that a desert camo is the priority.
Some have mentioned the ACU style seen on parade, but i'd caution against this, first is that its way to similar to the MARPAT used by the USMC, and second is that its only in use by a certain brigade of naval commandos (NOT the takavaran though, they're still using a safariflage-chocolate chip blend). Also, while the US woodland BDU's have been seen they are increasingly being relegated to the lowest of the low like training exercises and the Basijj militia. The best blend between uniqueness to its faction - scale of distribution - and modernity, would either be a desert safari or the 5-color chocolate chip blend. The following two images is what the "Ideal" skin would look like in my opinion.

The first one is an unidentified regular army unit
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Whereas this one is from the 12th Revolutionary Guards infantry division, this may or may-not be a heliborne brigade.
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Armor / Land Vehicles

Main Battle Tank - this one's interesting. While the T-72 is the most widespread MBT in Iran's inventory, it, in my opinion, is to close to the MEC's T-90, and like i said earlier, wheres the fun in playing two factions that are the same. That being said, looking at the other two tanks in Iran's inventory, the Chieftain and the M60A1, they honestly are just really bad. This leaves the Zulfiqar-3. While not even mass produced yet, this is probably the best option as they give Iran a "unique" tank that is immeditaly identifiable, and plausible assuming a war in the future rather then immeditat present. I rationalize this because it's happened before, when the original BF2 was released, the F22 wasn't close to being the US's front line fighter, but it was presented as such.

Infantry Fighting Vehicle - BMP-2/Boragh. While a substandard IFV by modern standards, Iran has carried through enough upgrades to make it still competitive. I'm not sure if the game is still going with the premise of APC=IFV, but if you're introducing dedicated APC's i'd recommend the Boragh, essentially a BMP-2 with a 12.7 mm Dushka instead of a 30 mm autocannon, allowing more room inside and added armor (and consequently additional flotation canisters on side).

Fast Jeep - Easy choice, use the Safir Jeep, there was a picture of it a few pages back. It would also be interesting to keep the Toophan (Domestic TOW copy) on it, giving quick agile vehicles a hard-hitting punch is the epitome of the current Iranian defense doctrine, it would even be worth down-grading the MBT or IFV to do this.

Transport - 3/4 ton jeep, nothin' fancy but will get the job done. Either that or the Rakhsh APC, despite its name, its really an armored car. Check it out:
http://irandefence.net/attachment.php?a ... 1232152812

Airborne Assets

Attack Helicopter - Panha 2091, aka, the AH-1. This would be more complicated then reskinning of USMC AH-1Z, but not much, all that would be required would be to remove two rotors, and change the canopy, from curved to sharp angles. Armament would be TOW's, rockets and rotary gun, pretty standard. Alternately for a different AH-1 skin, there is an upgrade for the Non-TOW capable AH-1's that give it a sensor ball on the under the fuselage. Not a huge difference between the two

Here is the Panha 2091
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/8670/panha20914.jpg

and here is the other upgrade program
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/9199/72680728.jpg

Scout Helicopter - this is another fun one that we get to use a "just released" piece of equipment. Its basically an ultra-light Bell ranger, there are two versions, one has the capability to cary anti-ship missiles, which would be interesting if replaced with some varient of cruise missiles (unsure if most recent version supports). Its essentially the same as the OH-6 Kiowa. It carries rockets and a light machine gun in a fixed gunpod.
http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/8867/fdsfsdfdsf.jpg

Transport Helicopter - definitely the Mi-8/171, again, nothing fancy but it gets the job done. Maybe the UH-1 would be a suitable choice because the Mi-8 is already in use by the MEC.

Fighter- 100% the F-14, its the most ubiquitous fighter in the IRIAF, nothing else would suffice.

Fighter-Bomber - i'm torn, on one hand i want to say the Saeqeh (twin tailed ground attack derivative of the F-5)because, again, its a uniquely Iranian plane, but its also extremely light. So theres also the F-4 which has been converted into a dedicated bomber with air-to-air capabilities, its the aircraft always seen testing out all of the PGM's. In the end i'd go for the Saeqeh i think.

I probably missed something, so if theres a class or vehicle i dont have, speak up and i'll give my opinion on it.

Re: [Proposal] Islamic Republic of Iran Army

Posted: 2009-08-07 03:18
by charliegrs
for the Panha 2091, you would have to make a new model. you cant modify BIS models.

also for the fighter jet, wikipedia says iran has at most 13 operational f-14s left that they bought 30 years ago. I dont think the f-14 would be a good choice for fighter jet especially if this is supposed to be in the near future.

Re: [Proposal] Islamic Republic of Iran Army

Posted: 2009-08-07 04:09
by steve_06-07
If the Iranian Army does make it ingame, and the G3 is used, how about just doing a small customization like this to the stock on the G3, just to make them that more unique.
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Re: [Proposal] Islamic Republic of Iran Army

Posted: 2009-08-07 07:15
by IranEnthusiast
charliegrs wrote: also for the fighter jet, wikipedia says iran has at most 13 operational f-14s left that they bought 30 years ago. I dont think the f-14 would be a good choice for fighter jet especially if this is supposed to be in the near future.
Dont trust wiki, if you did you could stick the J-10 and Su-30 in as IRIAF fighters. The number of Tomcats is at LEAST 40+, they made a point of flying groups of 16 of them on patrol during OIF.

Re: [Proposal] Islamic Republic of Iran Army

Posted: 2009-08-07 09:29
by Technoelite
wtf the is wrong with the cheiften

Re: [Proposal] Islamic Republic of Iran Army

Posted: 2009-08-07 10:31
by Al-Mualim
If it's an ''Islamic State'' it wouldn't declare war on other islamic nations & kill other muslims.
It'd make no sense.
O and I TL;DR'd this thread. except the 3 first pages

Re: [Proposal] Islamic Republic of Iran Army

Posted: 2009-08-07 11:02
by STORM-Mama
Al-Mualim wrote:If it's an ''Islamic State'' it wouldn't declare war on other islamic nations & kill other muslims.
It'd make no sense.
O and I TL;DR'd this thread. except the 3 first pages
Not everything makes sense. The Chinese and Soviets fought wars against each other, even though both were communists. Also, Arabs (MEC) are Sunni muslims, Iranians are Shia. There's a big difference and, as I understand it, those two aren't really the best of friends.

I have a hard time imagining that an alliance like MEC wouldn't get into some kind of trouble with the Iranians. Sooner or later they'd have to challenge each other over the control of Middle Eastern politics.

And who cares about things "making sense"? The idea of a Middle Eastern Coalition doesn't make much sense in the first place, not to mention a NATO invasion of mainland China. :wink:
PR is not about realistic scenarios, but realistic gameplay.

Re: [Proposal] Islamic Republic of Iran Army

Posted: 2009-08-07 11:57
by Al-Mualim
STORM-Mama wrote:Not everything makes sense. The Chinese and Soviets fought wars against each other, even though both were communists. Also, Arabs (MEC) are Sunni muslims, Iranians are Shia. There's a big difference and, as I understand it, those two aren't really the best of friends.

I have a hard time imagining that an alliance like MEC wouldn't get into some kind of trouble with the Iranians. Sooner or later they'd have to challenge each other over the control of Middle Eastern politics.

And who cares about things "making sense"? The idea of a Middle Eastern Coalition doesn't make much sense in the first place, not to mention a NATO invasion of mainland China. :wink:
PR is not about realistic scenarios, but realistic gameplay.
Actually MEC does make sense, As there is an idea to recreate the Islamic Khalifa which includes all Muslim countries in the world to unite (Which the Quran and the Sunnah requires muslims to do) and that muslims are not allowed to have more than one leader, And as you probably noticed there's like 50-70 muslim nations today, Which is totally against the Quran etc.

And if we're going to to Religious on the Sunni and Shia (I know there's been fights between them and there's still fighting going on) there'd be no problem at all actually.
As Shia Iran supports Sunni Hamas with Cash/Equipment is one good example, And so does Shia Lebanon with Hamas.
But Still i never think it'd go that far that a war between Shias and Sunnis would happen.

Re: [Proposal] Islamic Republic of Iran Army

Posted: 2009-08-07 12:09
by sheggalism
IranEnthusiast wrote:
Transport Helicopter - definitely the Mi-8/171, again, nothing fancy but it gets the job done. Maybe the UH-1 would be a suitable choice because the Mi-8 is already in use by the MEC.
What about the CH-47C ? :) Image

Re: [Proposal] Islamic Republic of Iran Army

Posted: 2009-08-07 14:01
by Panzerfire
Al-Mualim wrote:If it's an ''Islamic State'' it wouldn't declare war on other islamic nations & kill other muslims.
It'd make no sense.
Your statement has some flaws.
First of all... No country really follows religious teachings to the extreme. Not in the west nor in the east.

Hell... in the west the bible says "Thou shall not kill"... yet we bomb the sh*t out of ourselves and other people with little to no shame.

In Islam it's more or less the same. When it comes to war... it doesn't matter at all what religion people is.


Besides... Iran was already at war with another islamic state... namely Iraq under Saddam Hussein's rule. Although Iraq back then was Sunni controlled while Iran then and today is majorly Shia muslim.

Now in the context of the PR "universe", I'd see the MEC attacking Iran in a similar fashion like Iraq did in the 80s.



But meh... it's just a game. As it has been said before... a storyline it's not necessary because it's not about creating an alternative story, it's about recreating combat situations in the most varied yet realistic ways possible. So these details on whetter a country would or wouldn't invade another country do not matter at all. :)

If it was up to me.... I'd put Switzerland invading London with Paratroopers just for the heck of it. :mrgreen:

Re: [Proposal] Islamic Republic of Iran Army

Posted: 2009-08-07 14:40
by Al-Mualim
Panzerfire wrote:Your statement has some flaws.
First of all... No country really follows religious teachings to the extreme. Not in the west nor in the east.

Hell... in the west the bible says "Thou shall not kill"... yet we bomb the sh*t out of ourselves and other people with little to no shame.

In Islam it's more or less the same. When it comes to war... it doesn't matter at all what religion people is.


Besides... Iran was already at war with another islamic state... namely Iraq under Saddam Hussein's rule. Although Iraq back then was Sunni controlled while Iran then and today is majorly Shia muslim.

Now in the context of the PR "universe", I'd see the MEC attacking Iran in a similar fashion like Iraq did in the 80s.



But meh... it's just a game. As it has been said before... a storyline it's not necessary because it's not about creating an alternative story, it's about recreating combat situations in the most varied yet realistic ways possible. So these details on whetter a country would or wouldn't invade another country do not matter at all. :)

If it was up to me.... I'd put Switzerland invading London with Paratroopers just for the heck of it. :mrgreen:
probably my last thing in this thread that I'll say:
Just because there's muslims living a nation doesn't mean it's an islamic state, The only Islamic state there can be is the Khalifa, Which does not exist.
And no Iraq is not an ''islamic state''.

Anyways It'd be awesome if Iran could fight China or the US, but fighting MEC is just meh.

Re: [Proposal] Islamic Republic of Iran Army

Posted: 2009-08-07 22:25
by HangMan_
This would be cool but tbh i don't think we need another MEC faction atm. If this was to replace the MEC then that would be ok. Ne way good luck with this :)

Re: [Proposal] Islamic Republic of Iran Army

Posted: 2009-08-10 22:06
by IranEnthusiast
Technoelite wrote:wtf the is wrong with the cheiften
Its horribly outdated, the tankers from the Iran-Iraq war i've talked to hated it because it didn't suit the climate.

Granted there is a domestic "Mobarez" conversion/upgrade program that should remidy these problems, but we know as much about it as the Zulfiqar program, and when this is taken into account (that is, the only reason we'd evaluate the Chieftain over the Zulfiqar is that its already deployed) the Zulfiqar becomes preferable because its a domestic project that gives Iran more of a "unique" asset.
sheggalism wrote:What about the CH-47C ?
I had forgotten about that, yes, that is definitely a viable possibility. It might be oversized though.
Al-Mualim wrote:If it's an ''Islamic State'' it wouldn't declare war on other islamic nations & kill other muslims.
It'd make no sense.
Not really because of the other factors like the Shia/Sunni split at well as the animosity between Arabs and Persians, but more then anything else, good ol geopolitics, Saddam tried to make a power grab.

Re: [Proposal] Islamic Republic of Iran Army

Posted: 2009-08-11 04:08
by Panzerfire
HA! I always knew Sean Connery was one of the ayatollahs. :mrgreen: Or maybe he's undercover working for her Majesty's MI6. ;)

Re: [Proposal] Islamic Republic of Iran Army

Posted: 2009-08-11 05:44
by Praxxen
This is very interesting indeed ;>