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Re: Knives. Do we really need them?
Posted: 2010-09-21 11:36
by Truism
Re: Knives. Do we really need them?
Posted: 2010-09-21 12:13
by MikeDude
Knifes are very effective sometimes since none of the weapons have silencers. The knifes are the only way to kill someone in silence. Without any loud sound,
Re: Knives. Do we really need them?
Posted: 2010-09-21 13:28
by quaazi
Except for when the dead enemy goes GABLEAAAAARGH and spams the voip channel with the story of how he got knifed, which allows everyone to pinpoint your position far more efficiently.
Naah, knives are essentialy useful only as restrainers, though I've had those rare moments when two guys run out of ammo and start charging at eachother with their knives. I usually lose those though, because the new knife system is so radically different from the old vanilla one where my most used weapon in the sniper class was the knife - I kid you not, I was the king of knifing there.
My point being, they're plenty useful in their moments.
Re: Knives. Do we really need them?
Posted: 2010-09-21 14:04
by Dev1200
If you run out of ammo in your magazine, as a regular troop this is your only weapon, besides grenades. The knife has saved me many times, and removing it would be a waste.
Re: Knives. Do we really need them?
Posted: 2010-09-21 15:54
by Mellanbror
Load screen says something like " ammo is scarce on the battlefield..." Save a bullet, use your knife =)
Knife and bajonet has saved me alot of times. It's a last resort when running out of ammo. Plus I'ts way fun!
Not in favor of lessening the damage of it. Fine as it is.
Good tool, if we now just could have it to cut nadetrapwires

Re: Knives. Do we really need them?
Posted: 2010-09-21 15:58
by Smiddey723
How are we supposed to destroy FOBs and RPs if you have no incendiary grenades if we do not have a knife?
Re: Knives. Do we really need them?
Posted: 2010-09-21 16:18
by drs79
Instead of the knife we should all get 1-5 roadside flares that we can ignite (one at a time, obv) and wave in front of the enemy causing them to go blind for a few seconds while we run away, skipping and singing and also to signal a logi truck for the repair thingy if your vehicle has broke down and needs repairs.
Re: Knives. Do we really need them?
Posted: 2010-09-22 03:20
by Dev1200
drs79 wrote:Instead of the knife we should all get 1-5 roadside flares that we can ignite (one at a time, obv) and wave in front of the enemy causing them to go blind for a few seconds while we run away, skipping and singing and also to signal a logi truck for the repair thingy if your vehicle has broke down and needs repairs.
Trollin

Re: Knives. Do we really need them?
Posted: 2010-09-22 03:32
by Johncro
Dev1200 wrote:Trollin
No really
I cant lie i laughed at it though

Re: Knives. Do we really need them?
Posted: 2010-09-22 06:20
by Haji with a Handgun
Why should we get rid of knives? I mean come on, the US forces' glasses have NINJA written on them. This would nullify it.
Re: Knives. Do we really need them?
Posted: 2010-09-22 07:27
by ComradeHX
Haji with a Handgun wrote:Why should we get rid of knives? I mean come on, the US forces' glasses have NINJA written on them. This would nullify it.
Hamas is the real ninja...
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I, personally, think that knife can be removed...
Stabbing at a radio once and FOB blows up is not very realistic at all.
Re: Knives. Do we really need them?
Posted: 2010-09-22 08:15
by dtacs
ComradeHX wrote:
Stabbing at a radio once and FOB blows up is not very realistic at all.
Can you provide a more realistic alternative then?
Re: Knives. Do we really need them?
Posted: 2010-09-23 08:02
by llRvXll
Of course we need them, for exemple: you're invading a
house, you see the enemy, you and your enemy start firing and empty your
magazines (without the weapon in the aimed mode, the shots doesn't
have any precision, even if youre 2m from your target you
can miss all the shots, once i've fired all the bullets
of a PPSH on a brit soldier, he was right in front of me
and he didnt died, because i didn't used the ironsights.)
So what would you do if you run out of ammo? and if you
doesn't have any sidearm? the knife saved me many times
on these situations...
Re: Knives. Do we really need them?
Posted: 2010-09-23 10:02
by Epim3theus
Trying to run away and don't look back, in that situation, will probably give you the same kind of survival rate.
Re: Knives. Do we really need them?
Posted: 2010-09-23 14:18
by Cassius
What other gear would you carry? As it is it accomodates 3 weapons, your main weapon the secondary greande if the kit allows it, patches binocs, shovel. What else would you add?
Re: Knives. Do we really need them?
Posted: 2010-09-24 05:50
by ComradeHX
dtacs wrote:Can you provide a more realistic alternative then?
Maybe with a incendiary grenade... maybe? Since most spawnable kits have them.
Or shoot it...(with some invisible wall to prevent FOB kill by sniping.
llRvXll wrote:Of course we need them, for exemple: you're invading a
house, you see the enemy, you and your enemy start firing and empty your
magazines (without the weapon in the aimed mode, the shots doesn't
have any precision, even if youre 2m from your target you
can miss all the shots, once i've fired all the bullets
of a PPSH on a brit soldier, he was right in front of me
and he didnt died, because i didn't used the ironsights.)
So what would you do if you run out of ammo? and if you
doesn't have any sidearm? the knife saved me many times
on these situations...
Aim. Crouch, aim, and slowly walk forward for best results. IRL, people enter the door with their guns shouldered(though they do try to get past the death zone first...), and if you think there is an enemy inside the house... use a grenade.
If both you and your enemy missed the whole mag worth of ammunition...it may be better to re-load because knifing is not as easy to hit than it is to dodge(many ways, bunny-hop, sudden prone, run past enemy...combination of three...etc.) and by the time you missed the second time, the enemy probably have the rifle loaded and mowed you down. And if that guy misses with the whole mag worth of ammo again...he deserves to be knifed to death...
Re: Knives. Do we really need them?
Posted: 2010-09-24 08:05
by llRvXll
I don't think that remove the knifes would be a good idea...
just play the game... when you find yourself in these situations, you will know why we need the knife...
Re: Knives. Do we really need them?
Posted: 2010-09-24 11:26
by MikeDude
Give everyone a pistol. Instead of a knife?
Not sure if that is realistic tho?
Re: Knives. Do we really need them?
Posted: 2010-09-24 11:58
by usmcguy
I think they sould have a handgun and a knife which is most realistic.We defedentaly need to keep the knife! I love my KA-BAR..
Re: Knives. Do we really need them?
Posted: 2010-09-24 20:07
by illidur
the answer is simple. make the unarmed kit have a melee by default weapon. drop kit, pick it up and in half a sec and you have a knife or a fist. ( fist would be best for the unarmed kits on insurgency....) < thats the only problem i have seen with my idea.
i agree we could use the extra slot for better things. and have the universal unarmed kit for a "last resort melee"