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hobbnob wrote:... this is clearly a 2-way flamewar)

Indeed... And that's why it's hard for us "out standers" to sympathize with any of the sides. What I read in the OP seemed like a legit apology but it's pretty clear it wasn't accepted by some people in here. I don't know the circumstances of the whole situation and I won't bother with it either but from where I'm standing it just seems... well... silly.

saXoni wrote:Does the current leader of Harcore-PR (don't know what to call it) have any idea what's going on here? Maybe you should tell him to start reading it, as there's a lot of feedback here that he might find interesting.

That would be =]H[=Whatthehell. He is completely aware of what is going on, and is currently dealing with PR higher ups with this issue. I was asked to keep the community up to date on what is going on.

saXoni wrote:I applaud. Let's hope he doesn't select the same ones.


Ask a Forum-Moderator to check the IP's.


Can you for once stop crying about NwA? We're fucking sick of it.

Oh cmon, that text was in stealthmode, you weren't supposed to reveal it

[quote=""'="]H[=CubCadet1972;1718261']That would be =]H[=Whatthehell. He is completely aware of what is going on, and is currently dealing with PR higher ups with this issue. I was asked to keep the community up to date on what is going on.[/quote]
Sounds good.

[quote="LieutenantNessie""]Oh cmon, that text was in stealthmode, you weren't supposed to reveal it [/quote]
It's pretty obvious, as the only thing you've done the past few moths is complaining about NwA. This is off-topic though, so let's keep our focus on Hardcore.

MacGyver_ wrote:
As a side note, I am still entirely unconvinced that you have not been making false accounts, considering the first was banned by Gaz for just that reason (and I am sure other moderators can see right through this as well). Doc Pock, no disrespect to you, but after having heard him in game and on the forums, i think you may be mistaken when you say "thats not the type of person he is".

Well you should be convinced because I don't know anything about that at all.Whoever it is it ain't me.

Right I want to clear up a few things with you.
I have no interest in any continued campaign of defamation towards the hardcore server or any member ex or otherwise.I hold no grudges.I am not really bothered about being banned from both their forum and server anymore.I know when I'm not wanted.
I do not personally agree that the server should have its license removed because of a few noob Admins.
I have enjoyed the challenge of a stacked team and understand that it is not always intentional on a server. And I kind of had a respect for the free nature of the rules on the hardcore server.
I have played with some hardcore members over the years and had a good time.They were usually respectful, good guys.
Its you that keeps trying to flame me over the original ban when this is clearly the least of hardcores worry's at the moment.
I would still play there and would still respect the rules and admin if unbanned (unlikely but I thought I'd mention it) .
I never intended to attack or "take down" their server all I ever wanted was to get a ban overturned,and for them to stop baseraping on aas.
I wish the server all the best and genuinely hope we have not seen the last of hardcores involvement in PR.

ooooober

Everyone please stop ganging up on Ubernuka. He has a valid complaint, and because of it, steps are being taken.

saXoni wrote:Sounds good.


It's pretty obvious, as the only thing you've done the past few moths is complaining about NwA. This is off-topic, though, so let's keep our focus on Hardcore.

Only thing? You might want to take a look at my posts then XD I'm sorry if I gave my opinion on a thread where someone asked opinions about servers. But I'll end this for now

'= wrote:H[=CubCadet1972;1718270']Everyone please stop ganging up on Ubernuka. He has a valid complaint, and because of it, steps are being taken.

Thanks for that it means a lot.

'= wrote:H[=CubCadet1972;1718238']As of this writing, All members have lost admin privileges, and we are undergoing a complete top down restructure.

Coeman has stepped away from PR, leaving control to =]H[=Whatthehell as PR clan leader. =]H[=Whatthehell will then be reinstating both membership, and admin capabilities on a case by case basis.

I seriously hope this represents a change for the best.

I wish you all good luck.

ubernuka wrote:Thanks for that it means a lot.

You're welcome.

I'm not going to debate whether or not we have been a bit aggressive in the way we handle complaints (we have) or how bad our reputation has become (it sucks), but you have a genuinely serious complaint, and steps needed to be taken to make sure it never happens again.

So far the following steps have been taken:

1. our ban appeals section has the following instruction:
No admin may request any form of monetary donation as a condition for an unban, ever. If an admin makes a demand for a donation, PM =]H[=Whatthehell, or =]H[=CubCadet1972 for appropriate action.

2. Coeman has stepped down as PR Clan Leader, =]H[=Whatthehell is now PR Clan Leader.

3. All clan members have lost game server admin rights. Each member will have membership, and admin status reevaluated on a case by case basis.

Wow, this is all very interesting. I only have one gripe.

There's one less American server out of the very little that are there now!

Web_cole wrote:Personally I agree that H has a terrible attitude towards feedback given. The default response from H members seems to be highly defensive, with little to no consideration for any points made. Perhaps that is an understandable response considering the amount of flak they have received over the years for the running of their server. Unfortunately, a lot of said "flak" is quite justified.

firstly i dont even wear my tag or name because of the flamers on this site. what does that say? most of the clan doesn't come here because of it. but i guess it's justified.

Web_cole wrote:I would also say the "Don't like it, don't play there" argument is an interesting one. In times gone by I would of said fair enough, yes, vote with your feet. But in the past few months with player numbers dropping off it hurts this mod so much when 1 or 2 of the handful of servers you can choose from are renowned for poor teamwork and shaky administration. In a case like that, voting with your feet could mean playing something else, when your first choice would of been PR.

so your idea of great gameplay is different then H's? so really you would like to see H fall because you want (server name) up? need i say more?

i am a member (or should i saw was now?) of H and i play other servers. but find i liked this server most as the people who play there don't have their pantys in a bunch.

there is a reason its #1, there is a reason this thread is taking over. this little accident is blown out of proportion by those who just hate the server. thats what i think anyways. those wont be happy until it becomes (insert server here). i find this server has great teamwork. we have great pubbers who frequent there.

sounds like the admin who thought this was a good idea was thinking " if he really wants to play here again and doesn't hate this place he can donate 5$ to the server/PR to prove it". of course if you think about it its immoral. but he had good intentions. i wont speak for him however.

i only look at my own ban appeals and i don't get many of those. if anything that is a sign that H has become a better place till just now. like i said, 3 days ago i took a pic of mumble and was impressed that was becoming the normal now.

LieutenantNessie wrote:Only thing? You might want to take a look at my posts then XD I'm sorry if I gave my opinion on a thread where someone asked opinions about servers. But I'll end this for now

Love you, xx.

OT,

Hope you guys can get back on track, Asking for a payment was the breaking point.

Although I agree your server your rules as far as game play. Taking a step back from time to time and looking at what you have and asking yourself "are we doing this right" may be some thing your new admin team would want to implement may be once a month.

Just like us, just because you have a full server dosn't mean your doing it right. Even with 2 full servers. Your just filling your house with people who like the same beer as you. Some times a change is good, it opens you up to new flavours and thus new people.

Where is the like button on this forum.

This is an interesting move by H.

Wicca wrote:Where is the like button on this forum.

This is an interesting move by H.

The simple truth is that we need to fix some things.

*NwA*Orford wrote:Love you, xx.

OT,

Hope you guys can get back on track, Asking for a payment was the breaking point.

Although I agree your server your rules as far as game play. Taking a step back from time to time and looking at what you have and asking yourself "are we doing this right" may be some thing your new admin team would want to implement may be once a month.

Just like us, just because you have a full server dosn't mean your doing it right. Even with 2 full servers. Your just filling your house with people who like the same beer as you. Some times a change is good, it opens you up to new flavours and thus new people.

Oh lol you made my day , appreciate your humor!

LieutenantNessie wrote:Oh lol you made my day , appreciate your humor!

We may not like each others battlefield but we are still human beings.

I don't play on Hardcore enough to have experienced all the problems that are being described. However, I am generally in agreement that major teamstacking in a public server is a detriment to the PR experience on the whole.

It's completely natural that people in the same clan want to play together - however, if you're not prepared to split up 50/50 (which should be enforced by the admins), then just organize more clan skrims so you can play together more. I am sure TG or OD-S would be more than willing. If you don't have 64 members, then fill up the team with members, then allow others in.

We also shouldn't pretend the teamstacking issue is unique to =H=. I've seen it on TG or any other clan with a close, competent playerbase. However, with others the effort they make to evenly distribute the players is obvious, and there aren't many times when this becomes a problem.

In regards to their subscription system - hosting a server costs money, and I think it's only fair to give the players who are shouldering some of that burden "special treatment".

NwA took a lot of hard hits three-four months back. They decided to actually do something about it, and look at them now. A lot of people saying "I don't like NwA anymore because of this and that" is now playing on the server because they listened to the community. Yes, their server was still full, but they did get a lot of negative feedback. Instead of saying "Don't like it don't play", as they tended to do, they did something.

Buren06 wrote:I am sure TG or OD-S would be more than willing.

No TG would not, just to clear that up.