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Vicious is banned from the tournament. So he wont participate anyway.

There was a saying I learned growing up.

"Sticks and stones will break my bones, bull words will never hurt me."

Your three sentence reply, now changing the subject. NICE!!!

[R-CON]Wicca wrote:Vicious is banned from the tournament. So he wont participate anyway.

Dayum Wicca, that was low .

PFunk wrote:Seriously Raic? Step up? I've been doing nothing but step up since before the PRT died. I'm not trying to throw myself on the cross but to tell me that I didn't step up, even as recently as TART2 is just revisionist history.

All I've ever done is step up and fill in for when others don't do their jobs, becuase thats what people do when things have to get done. Its not special, its what tournaments and teams rely on to function.

Like I said I don't want recognition or anything, but don't tell me I need to step up when I have an opinion that defies the tournament's image. I've done plenty to plug gaps in my time, whether people agreed with how I went about my business or not.

Don't be an arse just cause you're defending the tournament. Admin are supposed to be cooler cats than that.

If I come out as an arse that is too bad. I am simply that bit disappointed that you, one players I hoped would keep being active and give input on shit, has this sort of melt down and accuse that we aren't interested on players opinions. While I rarely agreed with you, you offered good input which gave nice view on what players thought were causing problems.

Seriously, no need to sign as Commander, but get your *** in at-least as GSO so we can have good general staff with active people who actually fucking talk to the admins.

People go here, create new thread called "Name - GSO/ application" and talk some **** to us.

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Vicious302 wrote:Humour

Hah, good one. Why don't we just keep a public server open and remove the teams for shit and giggles? Shut up fool.

It's so Ironic that your scholding PFunk for saying exactly what happened to me. I was an active player besides the battletime, I raised issue and was BANNED? ARE YOU KIDDING? So back to what he said, were not looking to talk to you, we've tried, no it's time for you to listen and respect the wishes of the majority not just this select group of people.

I certainly didn't say "Shut up fool" to anyone and then ride a high horse around like every entitled admin I've ever met. I made a statement about being a nerd which wasn't intended at anyone or the community at large but rather in the context of a very specific timing issue. I see the potential in my fellow players who have even less time than I do, and I had plenty of time regardless of what everyone seems to think because I made issue about the battletime and think that a players time does NOT equal a players dedication, skill, or discipline. I'm not saying it doesn't have an effect, I just believe there is a gray area that can be worked with there that you guys are missing. That doesn't mean that I myself wasn't available, I signed up to be an NCO, I PMd officers asking if they needed help, I posted in the forums asking what was going on, I went to practice, then I couldn't make battle once, and the next battle was 2 weeks away so I just felt disconnected and like I had wasted a lot of my time, then you guys all act like arses and ban me, fuck that, wo do you guys think you are????!!

Vicious302 wrote:who do you guys think you are????!!

The admins?

We are responsible and also in charge.

Vicious - Just because you can't give tournament those few hours or make it on battleday, but rest for just can, don't make rest nerds, because they know how to manage their time and if they can't they are not bringing this up. I live in Eastern Europe GMT+2 and while you have afternoon, I have 10PM in evening, so, if you can't manage to get on afternoon to play - go do whatever you like and cut this BS. Jesus man, have ever thought how its in rest of the World? Maybe the tourney is WORLDWIDE?

I wanted to get time maybe earlier, BUT my time would be when you have morning. What I'm trying to say is, it makes more sense adjust time towards EU, so the EU people don't have to wake up in 2AM to participate the battle.

And last thing is. Time is set. If you can't make it, don't sign up. Simple as that. Everyone is sacrificing something.

Vicious302 wrote:It's so Ironic that your scholding PFunk for saying exactly what happened to me. I was an active player besides the battletime, I raised issue and was BANNED? ARE YOU KIDDING? So back to what he said, were not looking to talk to you, we've tried, no it's time for you to listen and respect the wishes of the majority not just this select group of people.

You raised an issue? You started telling us to start a public server, instead of running a two-week cycled Tournament. You began to place words in the mouth of administrators not once but twice, and talking down the players of the tournament while misquoting rules and regulations. You also stated that if battletime is not changed you will not appear to play. You were removed for jackass behavior as well as for simply saying that you were not available.
10/10 Would ban again.

wo do you guys think you are????!!

Top-hat wearing Viking.

[quote=""'[R-CON"]Wicca;1801671']Vicious is banned from the tournament. So he wont participate anyway.[/quote]

[quote="Brainlaag""]Dayum Wicca, that was low .[/quote]

Incivility dealt with, sanity restored.

Having not participated in the last go around I'm not privy to what went wrong but just piling on isn't moving anything forward. I'd like to participate in the next go around so hats off to ANYONE who puts forth the effort for ANY tournament which is FREE as in free beer. (the beer was warm... Whaaaaaa whaaahaahaa...)

Vicious wrote:So back to what he said, were not looking to talk to you, we've tried, no it's time for you to listen and respect the wishes of the majority not just this select group of people.

100 dollars on that 50% of all who participated in this topic/discussion does not agree with you

To listen to the majority ? I'm sorry but I think I'm either deaf considering I can't hear the majority screaming the bs you are, or... the majority doesn't have same opinion as you to even agree or support your arguments.

Vicious, you might have a point buried somewhere in all of the ranting and the mad, but with that attitude its difficult to know or care. Either take a deep breath and chill out, or leave the discussion because you are adding next to nothing.

Also what Cossack said:

Cossack112 wrote:Jesus man, have ever thought how its in rest of the World? Maybe the tourney is WORLDWIDE?

I don't know why by complaining about the time, somehow I'm not being considerate of the fact that it's worldwide. 10/10 people who see me complaining about the battletime think I'm trying to have the battle time CHANGED when I really want it EXPANDED,why is no one getting that point?

1 round @ 64 players = a 64 player tournament, so I have no Idea why your bringing this conversation here, if you have a problem finding 64 players, just shut down shop, but by your arrogant attitude of "we've got everything under control" I don't think you need the conversation, so what is the point of this? What have you gained if not to just show everyone you really don't care about anyone else's opinions?

People always take issue with me personally because they can't think of anything to say about the points that I'm making. That's lame. I'm not attacking anyone personally and I don't think everyone is nerds, except those on the east coast USA who miss out on their Saturday evenings because they are sitting around waiting for a 3 hour battle that cuts right through the midddle of your day and night. This isn't the case for europeans who can do this right after lunch or west coasters who can do this right after dinner, and not have their day cut in half. If nerds is an offensive statement to you, I feel sorry for you, but if I'm cutting my day in half to play a 3 hour video game I consider myself nerding out. I don't know why anyone else wouldn't proclaim their nerdiness with pride and not all this "attitude" business.

Vicious302 wrote:People always take issue with me personally because they can't think of anything to say about the points that I'm making.

What happens is that you try to impose your thoughts in the same fashion of a Rome emperor. If you can't see that it gets you into unnecessary conflicts and adds chaos to the point you're trying to make, then you will continue to be ignored and shoved aside.

Oh yes I recall many roman emporers suggesting their ideas through open public forums. Why yes I do see the resmemblance. Are you serious? Impose? Impose what? I don't have that power.

Geez, seeing just a glimpse of this thread makes me think staying out of TART was a great idea.

Vicious302 wrote:Oh yes I recall many roman emporers suggesting their ideas through open public forums. Why yes I do see the resmemblance. Are you serious? Impose? Impose what? I don't have that power.

You are a little difficult to understand and second you really seem to not understand that we don't want to play couple matches, I said before one can take up to 4 hours. Not interested in playing it twice. Time is set, because it allows the most people possible to play with some inconvenience to everyone. Cannot give perfect time for everyone when we get players from across the globe. 1 match, every two-weeks. This is more of playing a sport and playing a game, realize that. If you have ideas how to do that better, please share. Don't ask to do something completely different, its not what players in this Tournament want.

New announcement on TART, more coming on Monday. Officers prepare to signup.

Sports have multiple teams and play every week, you can't simply take one aspect of sports and try and relate what your trying to do with that. Why only 2 teams? Why not every week? Sports teams also carry over leadership and build reputation, ways of doing things, and our responsible for their own success or demise where you have taken on that role but only halfway. I don't think trying to balance the two is going to work as well as having teams run themselves would.

What your doing is more like a hall of fame game and everyone knows the players dont take those seriously.

Vicious302 wrote:Sports have multiple teams and play every week, you can't simply take one aspect of sports and try and relate what your trying to do with that. Why only 2 teams? Why not every week? Sports teams also carry over leadership and build reputation, ways of doing things, and our responsible for their own success or demise where you have taken on that role but only halfway. I don't think trying to balance the two is going to work as well as having teams run themselves would.

What your doing is more like a hall of fame game and everyone knows the players dont take those seriously.

I see what you are getting at now. There are just 2 problems with that.

There was already a problem trying to fill the teams that they had, so they really cannot go about filling other teams to fight on different days, simply put: There are not enough players to have such a wide variety of playing styles or to play over such lenghty periods of time. They'd end up with a 20 v 20 game. I understand this is how the F|H tournaments are played (FH/FH2) but the gameplay/gamestyle allows for that, in PR some commanders want to make elaborate plans others just go with it.

Besides sports have multiple teams this is true, they however do only play once a week tops anyway, so I don't really think that is a fitting comparison. The teams are run by themselves. What are you trying to say, your posts are seriously confusing.

I feel that many clans and communities do not get involved because they know the problems that come along with a tournament and they are looking for something different before they sign up.

Give clans and communities an areana to compete and they will come to sign up. If things are going to be run like sports teams, let them have the honor and prestige that comes with a sports team. No sports teams are put together by the same organization that makes the rules and oversees the gameplay. Let them feel apart of something more permanent than a handful of battles strung out over a couple months.

Baseball, Hockey, and Basketball play multiple games a week so I think what you mean to say is not that sports are played no more often than once a week but no LESS than once a week, unless your talking about NASCAR and this isn't NASCAR. Games should be played once a week, we are all playing PR anyway and it doesn't make sense that it's every two weeks, let's start with that. Every 2 weeks is not acceptable, it breeds disconnect and disinterest.

@Vicious Your argument is flawed, no offense. Clans do participate and it fits perfectly considering they have other things to do, clan trainings, wars, recruiting, management and public relations (as in participating events, public game play and taking place in discussions and actions in the PR community as whole). And clans do know the problems, you're right on that point, but their not gonna give up trying or stay dedicated to give a event/tournament a chance, not all clans for that matter THAT ignorant. Still your arguments regarding time line and dates/battle days is still confusing and I gotta say this has gone too long and your posts basically repeating everything you said in your first posts and again you're pushing same solution over and over again like you know what the community/clans/groups thinks as whole :/ As far as I can see, in this matter your lacking knowledge and experience but the feedback based on your point of view and/or feelings/opinions gives an insight on how (lets say as an individual thinks about this matter, but nothing more or less). Season has started, signups are open, admins running the show, teams are being formed so... Show must go on!

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