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Re: PRTA

Posted: 2017-03-26 19:33
by RaNa-Rocxs
ArkUTD wrote:No problem RaNa, we do try our best, sometimes (as youve seen here) its not always enough for some.

Your issue with Vatsug is a little confusing. As i'm aware he administrates the server better than i do, yet plays in a different fashion to a 'normal' Squad leader. Now before you all hate, hear me out, most people what the play the objective, on our server we encourage it, but the visible objectives are what most people see. Vats and me play the hidden part of the game, where we attack supply lines and spawn points, so that it is easier for people attacking a flag to get in and hold it. (Of Course not everyone sees it like that).
No one cares who is the Vatsug. As you ask he was a Community Administrator so he's not new or noob he was most senior guy.
Just please ask him who is respecting your rules you must need to respect that all players.
Its oke mate sometimes Shit is happening with anyone.
You ask its little confusion from our hands its no more we are good now.
we are really caring that all guys who know how to respect others like you.


Me and my all guys is respecting all Project Reality Communities & Admins who knows how respect other clans and Communities .



Thanks.

Re: PRTA

Posted: 2017-03-27 17:38
by MasterHenaz
Just witnessed a guy getting kicked from server for putting area attack in china main.
It was not on main base. It was for a FOB near it but far enough.
They also claimed that there is no FOB there where the area attack was put.

I went to teamspeak to ask why was he kicked and they said that they put area attack on main.
I gave them proof that it wasn't.
Admin just said "Who cares?"

Terrible admin work.
http://eu1.prta.co/servers/prbf2/tracke ... Rdemo#4909
3:21:54 time

Re: PRTA

Posted: 2017-03-27 17:44
by Frontliner
ArkUTD wrote:As i'm aware he administrates the server better than i do, yet plays in a different fashion to a 'normal' Squad leader. Now before you all hate, hear me out, most people what the play the objective, on our server we encourage it, but the visible objectives are what most people see. Vats and me play the hidden part of the game, where we attack supply lines and spawn points, so that it is easier for people attacking a flag to get in and hold it. (Of Course not everyone sees it like that).
I'm fairly certain everybody who's played the game for more than 2 years knows about the importance of supply lines, backstabbing and neutralising secondary objectives. The difference between your average player *cough* Mats *cough* and the PRTA admin team is that one gets kicked for Recon or Free Kit-ing or not-holding-his-Squadmember's-hands-tightly. The other does not and makes excuses why they just so happen to be excluded from the rules.
Hey viirus, first off nice info, like it, hope what i say can help;

1. You say our main focus is to do 'Minor' issues. As admins we have to make sure people on our server have mics, Squad Leader kits and such to give the in game hierarchy a chance to work. Yes we do look into this issue a lot but its part of our rules and a fundamental part of the game.
Don't kid yourself into thinking the officer kit has any bearing on whether or not your squad leader is capable or not.

Seeing as you mention it yourself, I have to say that the INF-SL-has-to-take-Officer rule in particular is one of those which gets enforced only selectively. If your Admin is chill you can play as you normally would, if the Admin doesn't like you he tempbans you before you have a chance to grab a kit. We've had SLs get kicked without any warning while they were shovelling FOBs or after the original SL disconnected mid-game and they were stuck in No-Man's-Land with something else. Compare that to when I reported a no mic - sniper SL soloing a logi a couple days ago on Marlin a few times over the span of a good 10-15 minutes to ensure eventually the message would be seen - and no action was taken whatsoever. I'm aware Vatsug and pals were busy playing, but I don't even know if he got the message in the first place because nobody said anything and nobody did anything - or if he ignores me out of spite. On other servers I could at least !admins to know who else I can talk to in times of need but not on PRTA where I'm at the mercy of whether or not the admin gives a shit. And before you say it, even if I were to report an issue on the forums it'd be dealt with without my participation and without any notification. This procedure includes issues relating to admin wrongdoings as well and in particular.
2. The other issues you state is that we don't deal with assets being stolen, switches and such though. I'll personally say that when assets have been stolen i have taken action, and i Apologise if this hasn't happened in your case, but we do have to investigate these things. False reports are always coming in and we like to look into it so that we can make sure we get the right guy warned, this would be why you see a delay.
True, but most members of the community(us veterans) are far more mature than what you see in any given modern FPS. When I report something on, say, Merk, Bluffer doesn't ask twice in most cases because he knows he can trust my word and should I happen to be wrong, it was an honest mistake on my part and I'll admit it if I have to. Only then can people trust each other, and I'd be retarded to risk my reputation, which I've build over literally years, to get somebody removed for not liking him or some other random nonsense.
3. On the switching note, its not easy to switch people when the server is full, kind of hard sometimes with trying to please everyone, we have to find a balance sometimes. I recommend switching at the beginning of rounds as most times there will always be room to cross teams.
PR is meant to played with others. If you can't play with your buds playing is pointless. Ask Vatsug how he felt being denied switches on Merk a week ago, doubt it was pleasant since they high-tailed off the server afterwards, so how about you put yourselves in our shoes for a change?
And to those here that complain about PRTA, thats fine, im sure you'll all have fun seeding other EU servers, because as its been said before, we are not the only server in the EU cluster, and others like Area 94, DPRC, have different rules that im sure youll find to your liking. This game has choice, and you are free to chose what do in terms of what server to join.
PR isn't a massive community. Like FFG said to others a while ago people are NOT at liberty where they can play,(some more than others) but have to go with the tides, with whichever server has people to play with on.

And it's not the rules that I personally have a problem with - however silly some are - but the lack of administration at times, over-administration at other times, apparent double standards, cherry picking which rules to enforce and the non-accountability of everybody on the team. And despite my criticism and how rebellious I am in the eyes of the PRTA administration I've only had one tempban so far - for saying "#riot" and "#downwihtPRTA"(complete with spelling error to make the joking nature more obvious) in an light-hearted all-chat conversation. So you tell me where I'm not abiding to the rules or out to grief you/the server/other players?

Re: PRTA

Posted: 2017-03-27 21:57
by fecht_niko
As long as your clan members (or friends) are joining this server because they are too lazy to seed others, you will have to deal with unprofessional admins who have no clue about this game.

Its that simple!

Re: PRTA

Posted: 2017-03-28 01:58
by viirusiiseli
Hello,

Some more feedback:

Regarding team switching and balance - this simple issue could be solved by setting autobalance on a 2 allowance. Players can freely switch and join the teams they wish this way, no administrator attention required.

Should balance become an issue, you need to fix that by requesting players you deem good to switch along with their squad to balance and help them out with that next round.

Setting maps - Set the next map immediately or within the first 15 minutes of the game, since you don't do mapvotes. Too many times on this server the same map is played twice because it's the next on the maplist and an admin left setting the next map to the last minute, and then forgot. I often remind the admins and they set it after, but ultimately it should work without reminders.

Frontliner's cherry picking comment also made me want to post about another incident that happened yesterday, during the Qwai River round MasterHenaz posted about just before.

I flew a littlebird, taking my squad to Construction Site on Qwai, crashed while attempting to land on the roof of it. Hayal_Israeli, another IL guy and a few other pubs typed in comments about the LB crashing, mostly haha rekt etc. Of course, having gotten the crappy end of the stick on PRTA often about typing in all-chat (kicked a few days ago on Hades Peak by Hayal himself, because I questioned him warning me for language, for calling someone a numbnut), me and my squad members (MONGOL clan) were frustrated, a few reported Hayal for allchat.

Soon after both MONGOL were warned for false reporting. The reports were not false, as Hayal did indeed type unnecessarily to allchat, in a mocking manner to the enemy team. Allchat is indeed discouraged on PRTA and admins often warn for it. He still decided to warn those players for making a legitimate report.

To top that off, my squad mates typed something in allchat later that round, and were warned, of course, for allchat. Most likely by Hayal. Clear hypocrisy.

This selective enforcement, admins not having to follow the same rules and routinely warning people falsely or otherwise using their powers to suppress other players (forums!) is extremely corrupt and I'm sure makes any player feel discouraged from playing on the server when encountering it.

Unfortunately, there are other admins too, that do this, but to my eye Hayal_Israeli has seemed like the worst offender with these types of incidents occurring often, and me hearing about similar situations from other players as well.

That type of behavior needs to be removed and transparency increased if you wish to have a happy playerbase.

The admin- and chatlogs from that round will serve as proof should you want to investigate this further.

Re: PRTA

Posted: 2017-03-28 12:26
by Mouthpiece
viirusiiseli wrote:Unfortunately, to my experience on this server the main focus of admining is concentrated first on small issues (no mic, no sl kit, armour instead of armor in squad name, no freekit squad).

Often when you report an issue such as someone stealing an asset, players wanting a switch to their friends, next map not being set, (yesterday Burning Sands twice, killed the server) or other slightly more pressing issues, there is no response or it is extremely delayed.

Yet admins go looking for those smaller issues when bigger issues are actively being reported.

If you guys in PRTA, could again simplify your rule set to serve players better along with your focus in admining, it would make the server enjoyable. Currently your sight is set on this utopian view of teamwork and it does not simply work, as seen from your very own feedback thread.

You simply don't need this much text to tell players how to play. You need to teach and exercise common sense, with the base being a simple rule set.

PRTA Ruleset
This.

And this is who I don't bother with this server. These kind of IRL-sad people I hate the most - people who are way overly bureaucratic and try to enforce their ideas upon the generally based public.

To all of those people asking about "Why PRTA still has server rights?" My speculation, a rational one, is that there aren't as much servers, and denying server rights would impact the relatively small community. So better risk having shitty games then less and less people playing the mod. It's a choice between two "bads". And I kinda agree with DEVS on this one, though I'd probably try to at least reason/threaten PRTA.

Last thing PR needs is unnecessarily bureaucratic attitudes, especially from rule enforcers. It's a game after all.

Re: PRTA

Posted: 2017-03-28 18:54
by Sandepp
Why does PRTA which often uses the excuse of PR being a small community for being ineffective issue the most amount of bans out of all communities? Especially when no server rules have been broken? My clanmate Blacktea was permabanned on the server for forum rule violations. If they can bend their own rules and selectively ban people then why bother asking them to be fair?

Re: PRTA

Posted: 2017-03-31 21:07
by LiamBai
So what happened to the aforementioned report from Mats? ArkUTD said it had been dealt with in private with Mats, and Mats says that nobody contacted him. Is PRTA hoping this report just goes away?

On another note, today we had an admin freekitting. I reported him, to which he made up a rule and told me to "continue playing".

Evidence:
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Relevant rule:
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Keep in mind this is something that many players get kicked for without any warning, yet an admin can do it as he feels.

Re: PRTA

Posted: 2017-03-31 23:09
by Vista
[R-CON]LiamBai wrote:snip
You should try making a thread on their forums to get this solved.




:^)

Re: PRTA

Posted: 2017-04-01 00:37
by mectus11
Vista wrote:You should try making a thread on their forums to get this solved.




:^)
It was already resolved in private with Liam.


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Re: PRTA

Posted: 2017-04-01 13:16
by ArkUTD
'[R-CON wrote:LiamBai;2160584']

On another note, today we had an admin freekitting. I reported him, to which he made up a rule and told me to "continue playing".

Evidence:
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Relevant rule:
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Keep in mind this is something that many players get kicked for without any warning, yet an admin can do it as he feels.
Server Issues | PRTA - Project Reality Teamwork Alliance I'd post it there if I was you, seeing as it won't be dealt with if posted here.

Re: PRTA

Posted: 2017-04-01 13:30
by LiamBai
ArkUTD wrote:Server Issues | PRTA - Project Reality Teamwork Alliance I'd post it there if I was you, seeing as it won't be dealt with if posted here.
You've ignored Mats' report again, and pointing this out on the forum doesn't seem to help.

Regarding the aforementioned admin-abuse, I will then post it on your forums. I do however find it worrying that PRTA's policy seems to be to actively ignore things that are not on their forums... Especially combined with regular locking of threads and adding people who post these things to the discouraged users group.

Edit: I submitted a report, but it's not appearing anywhere. Are reports against admins now private so that even the author can't see them? I guess that does make it much easier to just ignore everything.

Re: PRTA

Posted: 2017-04-01 14:34
by exel82
'[R-CON wrote:LiamBai;2160626']You've ignored Mats' report again, and pointing this out on the forum doesn't seem to help.

Regarding the aforementioned admin-abuse, I will then post it on your forums. I do however find it worrying that PRTA's policy seems to be to actively ignore things that are not on their forums... Especially combined with regular locking of threads and adding people who post these things to the discouraged users group.

Edit: I submitted a report, but it's not appearing anywhere. Are reports against admins now private so that even the author can't see them? I guess that does make it much easier to just ignore everything.
Lol my report (griefer on PRTA) has also been deleted. Before it just said "waiting moderator approval but after a week of not getting approved it was deleted.

Re: PRTA

Posted: 2017-04-01 14:54
by Frontliner
Done - PapaPauly Player Report by FFG | PRTA - Project Reality Teamwork Alliance
This information has been added to an internal file.
Secret picture taken from PRTA's "Human resource management" right now:

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Re: PRTA

Posted: 2017-04-01 21:15
by fecht_niko
Maybe Krivers, majplop, Tobi and Sloan can answer these questions?

Re: PRTA

Posted: 2017-04-03 15:56
by VTRaptor
Yesterday i've played Dragon Fly with my friend. We took the BMP, but we got killed after 10 secs because the british HAT was camping the only way out... After several reports nothing happened.

And today we've played two seriously unbalanced matches - Saaremaa and Burning Sands. Instead of trying to balance, admins switched Art of War clan to the winning team. This only shows how rotten PRTA has become.

Re: PRTA

Posted: 2017-04-03 18:33
by kanakeitto
Got banned today for critizing admins' incapability to deal with reports. Was stirring up drama, apparently. Real frickin' classy

-infamous anti-semite, islamophobe, neo-nazi, cis-male

Re: PRTA

Posted: 2017-04-03 20:00
by Mats391
kanakeitto wrote:Got banned today for critizing admins' incapability to deal with reports. Was stirring up drama, apparently. Real frickin' classy

-infamous anti-semite, islamophobe, neo-nazi, cis-male
Got temp banned after calling admins idiots for not dealing with intentional TK. They truly got their priorities straight.



Admins (or I presume it was admins those with F|PRTA tags) even made fun of the APC getting TKed and them "winning" the fight.

Edit: Wanted to report on your forums, but the submit thing no longer works.

Re: PRTA

Posted: 2017-04-03 20:09
by FFG
[R-DEV]Mats391 wrote: -snip-
Q U A L I T Y

Re: PRTA

Posted: 2017-04-03 20:10
by fecht_niko
Must have been misclick and why did you shoot at him? :D