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Wicca wrote:Well, i really hope to make more platoons in the future, i think it even should be a "requierment" If you know, like people should be told to go togheter...

Think of it as a way of living longer, and having a more presence. The only problem with more people though, is that the enemy has more to shoot at.

Its all about placement

Im looking forward to more awesome stuff in the future! Like platoons etc.

I've experienced it happening naturally sometimes, when a couple of squads agree to work together through Mumble, and I think this might be promoted even more, now that the medic kit has been restricted.

It should really be up to squad leaders weather or not they decide to do this though, as I know many people have been slightly annoyed at being give orders by other squads though Mumble, by people who may or may not, have better tactical plans.

space wrote:I've experienced it happening naturally sometimes, when a couple of squads agree to work together through Mumble, and I think this might be promoted even more, now that the medic kit has been restricted.

It should really be up to squad leaders weather or not they decide to do this though, as I know many people have been slightly annoyed at being give orders by other squads though Mumble, by people who may or may not, have better tactical plans.

Yeah, it's really annoying when Wicca nick's my squad

I think its actually an issue with SLs feeling they are the only ones able to give orders to their squad, and the kind of inter-unit cooperation that we all want to see is usually only accomplished when two SLs from the same clan are working together.

This needs to change but I think whitelisting the server will help. SLs just need to be a bit more open minded and willing to cooperate with their counterparts to share ideas and work together. A lot of SLs I see are basically lone wolves with squads attached, so these SLs need to start to think about the bigger picture. Again though, a commander would help here.

Of course, its nothing to do with this server, but I think we are seeing some progress.

That was my point I guess You worded it niceley

Other SL shouldn´t be ordering around each other imo. Thats the dedicated commander/FAC/JTAC role. If the commander could actually come out of his box he could effectively coordinate with squads forefilling those rolls effectively.

Hopefully as the server becomes more established and the number of regular players increases, then people will know which other squads to "trust"

I often SL, and tbh I would be unlikely to join up with, and follow the orders of a SL I didn't know.

space wrote:I often SL, and tbh I would be unlikely to join up with, and follow the orders of a SL I didn't know.

This is why whitelisting would help. The community should start to get to know one another, know who the good SLs are and who to trust.

However I do agree with Alex in that SLs shouldn't have to try to order one another around, it should be the commander's role. A temporary fix could be to have all SLs subservient to infantry SLs, for example APC SLs and trans heli SLs. If you think about it all of those units are designed to support infantry in whatever way so allowing the infantry leaders to give the orders would perhaps help force those units into cooperating properly, something that is rarely seen in public games.

Server rule perhaps?

I do have to admit I am guilty of ordering other SLs around on mumble. But no1 has ever refused me, and its a 2 way street.

treat it like Lts talking to eachother to coordinate their platoons, since everyone's goal is ultimately the same it works fine. But the SLs do need to keep coms minimal, a reason to use any kind of radio protocol (not because they use radio protocols IRL, it just keeps coms clear and concise)

The radio protocol taught by the teams in teh PRT works fine, I would mighty appreciate it if som1 in the PRT would post it up in the general discussion (once you've cleared it with the relevant authority, you know how paranoid the PRT is about teams using eachother's stuff)

If you think about it all of those units are designed to support infantry in whatever way so allowing the infantry leaders to give the orders would perhaps help force those units into cooperating roperly

maybe i misunderstood you so correct me if something is wrong
i would edit "give order" to "give task" and let APC/heli driver decide how to reach its target, because inf whores has their thoughts about how to use APC and APC whores has their own pov to it and its usually different

Dr2B Rudd wrote:I do have to admit I am guilty of ordering other SLs around on mumble. But no1 has ever refused me, and its a 2 way street.

-That's because we lurves you Rudd.

I've found that on the RT server, we have a good group of guys who always take APC's and always back up the infantry really well via mumble - same with most asset squads tbh.

To get infantry squads to work together will always be hard though I think, unless theres a commander to order it. Even if 2 squads work together, its still important for the squad members to follow orders from their SL, and for the 2 SLs to work together towards a common objective, rather than one SL trying to lead 11 people.

Dr2B Rudd wrote:The radio protocol taught by the teams in teh PRT works fine, I would mighty appreciate it if som1 in the PRT would post it up in the general discussion (once you've cleared it with the relevant authority, you know how paranoid the PRT is about teams using eachother's stuff)

Lol I would but I don't have access to the files right now, they're in a nuclear storage bunker

Seriously thats not a bad point although im not sure how many people would listen to it without it being explained to them face to face very slowly....

DankE_SPB wrote:maybe i misunderstood you so correct me if something is wrong
i would edit "give order" to "give task" and let APC/heli driver decide how to reach its target, because inf whores has their thoughts about how to use APC and APC whores has their own pov to it and its usually different

Yes. Obviously the APC crew are expected to be the experts in where they want to drive their APC, what I meant was that an APC is there to support infantry. A lot of people still use them as light tanks, even the so called APC "experts", therefore if they are under the command of an infantry SL then you won't see them running off somewhere trying to get a few more kills or w/e, whilst the infantry that they are supposed to be supporting get taken out as they have no fire support.

I find that one of the most effective units in a round of PR is a 6 man squad with 4 infantrymen and 2 crewing an APC. I can guarantee that the APC in that squad won't be going wandering off, so imagine if you could have a 6 man infantry squad with an APC crew in a separate squad but following the SLs commands. This almost never happens in public games but I believe that can change.

Similarly with heli pilots, the infantry SL will know where he wants to go but its up to the pilot to get his squad there safely. If he then needs to call CAS then the infantry should have that unit on standby ready to call, otherwise you get what you see most of the time in public games; CAS that does not respond when infantry/armour are calling for support and conversely ground units that don't even bother calling.

jigsaw-uk wrote: so imagine if you could have a 6 man infantry squad with an APC crew in a separate squad but following the SLs commands. This almost never happens in public games but I believe that can change.

Ive seen this loads of times on the RT server, and its one of the main uses of Mumble in my experience. Just call in an APC with the transport command, and once they're close you use mumble. It doesnt happen much on other public servers because its hard to coordinate without a commander.

We will hopefully have a temporary RT Mumble channel arranged for later today, so we can get mumbling again tonight ( Details will be posted in the private section of the RT forum, which you can access if you're a member )

Just in case you miss it guys, we have now got a temporary Mumble service available for the Reality Teamwork server:

https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f10-pr-general-discussion/62537-temporary-mumble-server-reality-teamwork.html#post1065618

Please jump on and join us, as Mumble only really works, if a good proportion of the server is using it.

Dr2B Rudd wrote:The radio protocol taught by the teams in teh PRT works fine, I would mighty appreciate it if som1 in the PRT would post it up in the general discussion (once you've cleared it with the relevant authority, you know how paranoid the PRT is about teams using eachother's stuff)

No need really buddy when we have darkpowder's rather excellent guide right here

Its a little in-depth but useful.

Is the PRT protocol in that?

Smuke wrote:Is the PRT protocol in that?

No. PRT is different, slightly simplified and easier to understand I think and actually makes less use of military jargon in favour of familiarity and ease of use. The idea is that it should be as quick and as succinct as possible.

space wrote:Just in case you miss it guys, we have now got a temporary Mumble service available for the Reality Teamwork server:

https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f10-pr-general-discussion/62537-temporary-mumble-server-reality-teamwork.html#post1065618

Please jump on and join us, as Mumble only really works, if a good proportion of the server is using it.

-Too bad I just pulled an all-nighter and will crash into bed in a little while. I'll be on tomorrow...

You guys really need to sort out your admins. Today i joined the game at the end of the Jabal server on the US team, i just noticed the RR squad being full on our team before the round ended. The next map was Falujah and i was on the insurgent team. When i spawned i pressed TAB to check if there was any people i've played with before on the server on the US team to find out that every RR member had switched teams to be US yet again. Finding this rather sad i typed out:

"Lol, every RR guy just teamswitched over to the US. How sad is that?"

RR Silverlance responded with:

"Very"

Then kicked me from the server for 5 min. IMO, if a person is not mature enough to be an admin, he shouldn't be one.

We will sort this mate. Terribly sorry for this problem. Thanks for letting us know

just Curious...

What was the reason for being kicked? Was there any provided?