Knives. Do we really need them?

[dtacs]

Thats unrealistic as a soldier would not drop his webbing and whatever else simply to engage the enemy physically. Nor would one want to drop their kit simply to destroy a firebase, its impractical.

As I said in the hueg discussion we had on this topic, soldiers have access to knives (bayonets) and to my knowledge are issued with them. Simply removing it because 'people aren't using it as a last resort' is fraudulent and unrealistic.

[usmcguy]

Hey I had a question why arent troops given a handgun?

[Moonlight]

I bet that's because regular troops aren't given a handgun. ;]

Edit: I've searched a bit and thought a bit as well, I came to conclusion that it might be at least partially because of the lack of slots for a shovel AND a sidearm.
Still, not sure, pardon me.

[usmcguy]

I bet that's because regular troops aren't given a handgun. ;]

are you shure? all the soldiers-Marines iv spoken to have said they always carry one..

[illidur]

Thats unrealistic as a soldier would not drop his webbing and whatever else simply to engage the enemy physically. Nor would one want to drop their kit simply to destroy a firebase, its impractical.

As I said in the hueg discussion we had on this topic, soldiers have access to knives (bayonets) and to my knowledge are issued with them. Simply removing it because 'people aren't using it as a last resort' is fraudulent and unrealistic.

meleeing a radio to destroy a building isn't very realistic either.... aren't incindiarys used primarily for destroying things? drop kit for melee would be last resort to ninja somebody or destroy a fob.

sorry but i would rather have incindiarys on silent eagle etc....

[ComradeHX]

Nor would one want to drop their kit simply to destroy a firebase, its impractical.

Maybe when you lack incendiary in your kit...you are supposed to be with a SQUAD with someone who DOES?

[Arnoldio]

Ill just say this.

You begin to value things after you lose them.

[MikeDude]

Maybe give everyone a pistol instead of a knife... and when you have a second function on your pistol which makes you use your knife? If possible..

[dunem666]

Knives are standard kit, you can replenish ammo. When there is no ammo about your gonna be screwed.

[Outlawz7]

I say no, because they're awesome.



Also I posted this video because it was the reason 2 years ago someone suggested knives to be removed/nerfed after these two stabbed half the PR player population and this thread kind of reminds me of it.

[goguapsy]

Outlawz;1449745']I say no, because they're awesome.



Also I posted this video because it was the reason 2 years ago someone suggested knives to be removed/nerfed after these two stabbed half the PR player population and this thread kind of reminds me of it.

I must say... both are quite 1337! (check score)

[usmcguy]

Outlawz;1449745']I say no, because they're awesome.



Also I posted this video because it was the reason 2 years ago someone suggested knives to be removed/nerfed after these two stabbed half the PR player population and this thread kind of reminds me of it.

ELITE!!

[USMCMIDN]

are you shure? all the soldiers-Marines iv spoken to have said they always carry one..

Not all Marines or soldiers get side arms. In the US Military a side arm is reserved to SF/O, Officers, MPs, squad leaders who qual with it, and higher ranked enlisted. Even Recon/FORCON Marines dont all get a side arm. A kid fresh out of SOI (a regular grunt) will not get one. A lot of times there will only b 1 guy carrying a side arm in a whole squad (13 guys).

As for knives...everyone carries them. In the book We Were One there are accounts of US Marines engaging insurgents with knives and bayonets in the Battle of Fallujah (something about breaching a house and an insurgent was laying on the floor and the Marine tripped and his weapon dropped so he grabbed his knife and stabbed him)... I have also met a Marine who recently returned from A-Stan whom ppl bragged about to have the only kill with a knife in his company. Knives are still used for combat (not a lot) and a lot of other practical applications.

[goguapsy]

Knives are still used for combat (not a lot) and a lot of other practical applications.

Great! Just remove the shovel and give repairing abilities to the knife

[ComradeHX]

Great! Just remove the shovel and give repairing abilities to the knife

OR, we can get rid of the knife and give the killing ability to the shovel.

China made a pretty progressive shovel a while back that does everything without the need for attachments.

[goguapsy]

OR, we can get rid of the knife and give the killing ability to the shove.

Well... do you have any statistics that shovels have been used for killing in a-stan? I have USMCMIDN's (post count: 516) testimonial that knives have been used for... practical stuff!

[ComradeHX]

Well... do you have any statistics that shovels have been used for killing in a-stan? I have USMCMIDN's (post count: 516) testimonial that knives have been used for... practical stuff!

Do I need statistics to say that shovels can be used to kill people?

Especially ones with sharpened edges(I know at least Russians sharpen those... they even make those less sharp before carrying for safe storage inside the cover).

Shovels also have greater reach than the knife and can be just as, if not more, deadly.

Shovels have been used for more ...practical stuff... like digging progressive fighting positions.

Refer to this progressive article: Eastwind Training Command Center presents Basic Soviet Fighting Positions. Their construction and implementation. (UNCLASSIFIED).

I believe many people have wanted to bash/chop people with the shovel for a while now.

And this will work: https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f22-mi ... hovel.html

[Rabbit]

Well... do you have any statistics that shovels have been used for killing in a-stan? I have USMCMIDN's (post count: 516) testimonial that knives have been used for... practical stuff!

So have tomahawks, in fact it's a lot more common to see army units receive them. (although they may choose to not issue them to the soldiers). But I have only heard a few legit stories of hand to hand kills, most tend to be bs. (iraq and a-stan)

USMCMIDN Do your 240 gunners carry side arms too?

[USMCMIDN]

So have tomahawks, in fact it's a lot more common to see army units receive them. (although they may choose to not issue them to the soldiers). But I have only heard a few legit stories of hand to hand kills, most tend to be bs. (iraq and a-stan)

USMCMIDN Do your 240 gunners carry side arms too?

I have heard of 249s and the Golfs carrying side arms... Some do some dont... It depends if they are moto and take the time to qual with it.

As for the practical apps a Marine is always going to carry a knife... It can be used for hunting/survival, combat, construction etc... It would be unrealistic to get rid of it... IDK if GO is trying to butt heads with me but I remember all those stupid presentations 2 yrs ago I had to sit through and listen to about the KA-BAR and proper ways to use it...

As for the E-tool killing thing... I was told by another MID that there is some instructor at the citadel that has the most confirmed kills in history with the E-Tool during Nam. I am skeptical about this but hey who m I to call another guy in my unit a liar, you guys can tho haha

[-.-Maverick-.-]

Or we can remove the shovel and give it to the unarmed kit.