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So if I'm flaming you, let's see the Battlerecorder footage that refutes my claims. Also, I completely disagree with bringing history into a conversation like this. I've never been permabanned from your server. I've never committed a mass-TK. I've been drunk a few times and bitched to the admins. I apologized on this specific thread specifically when that happened. You even said, "it was big of me," to apologize the way I did.

There is absolutely no reason to bring up my past history and characterize me as a griefer, cheater, etc when my history has never backed it up to the significant claims you've made, and when it has nothing to do with the fact that you don't know the situation whatsoever.

Look at the Battlerecorder footage of us during that round. The closest you'll see us, "breaking the rules," according to you, is firing a LAT at a M2HB after it fired a number of rounds at us from US main 30 minutes before the situation we are currently talking about occurred. 30 minutes later, the Stryker did the same thing and we did not return fire with Chris' HAT. If anyone broke the rules that day it was the members of the US team.

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Super_6_5, where exactly did we baserape?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MsfDBA ... e=youtu.be

Shame it's the most stable server, still unplayable from aus/nz. 290+ ping is a real killer. Even midwest would be better.

maybe one day..

I was playing karbaral INS 00:00 PST. I was CAS sq ldr, flying, when trans sq ldr reported me for being in blackhawk and stealing assets. I !r back that i wasn't but i was killed by Evox. So loss of CAS chopper. Nothing but a warning for the false report happens. I understand that admins have to act quickly on this type of stuff when assets are being taken and I respect that. I also feel that Evox could of looked at the map and seen no trans chopper was in the air as he was on our team.

Evox said sorry to you on HOG forum for that... so...

You were in a blackhawk so yes you were stealing an asset when reported.......

I considered this server one of the best PR servers online to date. You can really play some nice rounds on there.

However, admins there are just too quick to jump on the banhammer. I've also seen people get banned permanently for some quite ridiculous reasons, even innocent people. Tempbans to investigate malicious behaviour are never used.

Lastly, some admins are power-tripping way too much. Especially Jevski and Haley with his "I own the server so I can ban you whenever I want for whatever reason" attitude.

Would not reccomend to those with a faint heart.

well, it is the best pr server online.

admins are tired of repeating themselves, for example, did you know we post our rules on our website so that you do not ever have to have any admin action against you? There so many players, (that follow the rules) have never even been warned on our server. Check out the rules, they ARE you warning that you want.

Jevski NEVER has owned the server, never. He is an admin that enforces the rules, more so then any other admin, we are glad to have him so that players that dont want to read the rules, get dealt with quickly.

Its not power tripping, its they are tired of the rule breakers, trolls, griefers, cheaters etc that are a constant drain on a good server.

Would recommend to those that follow the rules, it really is simple, give that a try!

Im kinda surprised at you desert, all those reports you throw out in game of players wrong doing, i guess you are saying our admins should ignore those? A bit confused.

Dessert, since its our job, to keep an eye on things, we have a different perspective than you. We also have a experience and history with certain players. What for you might seem like an overreaction is for the admins not, for that simple reason that you dont see what we see, since we look for it and you dont.

For example, if you see a logi driving somewhere, you dont think anymore about it. We do. We take notice of who the driver is, and if its likely if he is going to his sl, or just using it as trans. There are so many different situations where you might not notice it at all as a player, but as admin its different.

Also remember when you think we overreact, perhaps this player has in the past done the same thing and gotten warned. You might think that kicking someone for locking sqd, or being in fortress on muttrah as US is a overreaction, but what you most likely is missing is that the player has done so several times a week for months. Been told not to, yet continues to do it anyway.

Ive lost count of how many times I have written "!s fire" a general warning not to shot in main 15-20 times within 3-4 minutes, and when players then get kicked since they continue, they come back.."why the fuck didnt you warn me *******"

Then we hear, yeah but I was just firing in main, not at anyone. But again we admins have more experience, we have on untold occasions, seen how "just having fun in main" transforms into, blowing up assets and mass tk, just because a sqd came running around the corner into the C4 or nade someone used out of boredom.
That also applies to doing loops with the chopper at main, only to be wasted by a second of lag, to the guy doing donuts in main with a car, untill he runs someone over.


So next time you think we are overreacting, remember to add history and experience to that.

Keep an eye on things, sure. I hate rule breaking as much as you do. But is it so hard to tempban someone and investigate him for a ban later? Especially if that person has never been punished or did anything rule breaking?
It has happened today - a squad gets killed by a MARKED mine and the guy who placed a mine gets banned permanently, not even a chance to state it wasn't his fault.
And what I get when I join the ts to defend the poor guy? Haley threatening to ban me because I'm criticizing his overreaction to the whole situation. It's ridiculous.
Never said jevski owns the server, I was just talking about Haleys attitude today when we talked. That is no way for a community representative to approach the public.

I cant speak about that, since I wasnt there. But often a ban is to get the player to the forum. We can barely get players to read the rules.

what happen to you guys ?
no map vote's !
nothing at all ?
server Admin management is not that good anymore ?!
so many ppl that don't have mic and they are SL !!

Jevski wrote:I cant speak about that, since I wasnt there. But often a ban is to get the player to the forum. We can barely get players to read the rules.

Wouldn't a tempban do? It would avoid so much misunderstandings and innocent people getting banned. (!tb instead of !b isnt a big difference, 1 letter more...)

I see this problem has been around for a while.

Murphy wrote:Kill feed just shows you that someone got TKed, it does not give any indication of the circumstances. I have bad days for target ID in a Tank and a lot of times my driver will call out friendly positions as targets, which results in a bad time for some INF guys. If they were butthurt they could say "!R Murphy TKED me on purpose!" and without any more information than "INF-Dude was Teamkilled by Murphy" the admin decides to tb/kick me without even asking what happened.

That's not how you admin a server on PR. If someone kills a bunch of friendlies with a bad bomb dropped from CAS, or more likely bad Arty/Mortar strikes, you give them shit vocally and as long as said player takes steps to avoid TKing in the future all should be forgiven. If, however, you see a guy standing in main racking up TKs you can rest assured an admin WILL respond swiftly and accordingly.

Sure there have been mistakes made, any admin team in PR is trying their best to play the game (possibly SLing) and police the servers at the same time. It's not easy, mistakes are made and admins are sometimes quick to throw out punishment, but a smart admin will only apply a punishment forceful enough to correct the behavior instead of insta-banning.

TLDR - Not enough info from simple TK messages, admins need to investigate a bit further due to the ease at which you can accidentally TK.

Way I see it, you guys will lose nothing (maybe it would make your work easier) if you started using tempbans as the most severe on spot punishment (unless you are 120% sure that the perpetrator does actually deserve a ban). The other servers do it that way and I don't see many people (if anyone) complaining about being banned unfairly.

It doesn't hurt to try.

solidfire93 wrote:what happen to you guys ?
no map vote's !
nothing at all ?
server Admin management is not that good anymore ?!
so many ppl that don't have mic and they are SL !!

I get many reports of players without mic, problem is just that the reported player isnt SL.
And when he is SL, I rarely get a report, players just join the sqd and run around as a free kit sqd.

I'll admit that sometimes the ban hammer does come pretty quick, but when you see a list of tks scroll off your screen, it's hard to weigh the "If I don't ban this guy now, how many more will he TK?" and the "Let's investigate this for 30 seconds". The biggest way to advocate in your favor if you score a bunch of TK's, whether or not your fault, is to instantly type "sorry". I've dropped a bomb on Kham into a guard tower filled with 10 or so friendlies (friendly SL lazed the rail in front of him instead of the APC), and the first thing that came to mind was to say "sorry". I knew it wasn't my fault, but what else would the admins be thinking if 10+ TK's rolled across the screen? Cover your *** first, then explain later (hopefully). Shit happens.

I saw the situation happen yesterday, and agree with you 100%. Just take it easy and remember that someone else is always watching or will read through the logs at some point, so just cover your ***. The admins are under a lot of pressure, so even if you get fucked, just take a deep breath and stay calm.

"If you want to gather honey, don't kick over the beehive."
Dale Carnegie

solidfire93 wrote:what happen to you guys ?
no map vote's !
nothing at all ?
server Admin management is not that good anymore ?!
so many ppl that don't have mic and they are SL !!

A perfect example. Just played with Solid. He starts to report some1 for not having a mic.
So I have to stop playing and find this player. If he is not on our team I even might have to switch, or tab out to prism. Only to learn that the guy reported isnt using assets, nor is he squad leading, the only requirement to have a mic.

So AGAIN.

READ THE RULES !

thnx for the update Jevski
but i thought every one that don't have mic need to be reported ! on HOG !

Today a player called StandFro was greifing on the server.

Could you send the relevant logs to other servers please? I'd like to get him banned elsewhere if possible. Was repeatedly blowing up assets in main, TKing, etc.

Also lately there's been a severe lack of admins on early in the U.S day.

removed this post, will just post it on the hog forums. Good to see they've updated from their geocities monstrosity.