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Do you have plans to change AK74 and pretty much all Russian gun recoils to something that would make them useful again? You must have someone on dev/test team that has fired said guns, and can tell you what they are actually like. Russian AKs are currently on a wholr other level below any other assault rifle ingame, when in reality they are highly accurate guns.

L4gi In the post Soviet territory most people military must. Most people was in army, live and sleep with AK, and it is not as bad as in the game (i mean AK, army is shit).

Before 1.0, AK was better than M16 in close range, now AK is unuseless gun. Deviation is bad too, at all guns(it nice but it tiring). Let's take a vote when it was better, before or now...

L4gi wrote:Do you have plans to change AK74 and pretty much all Russian gun recoils to something that would make them useful again? You must have someone on dev/test team that has fired said guns, and can tell you what they are actually like. Russian AKs are currently on a wholr other level below any other assault rifle ingame, when in reality they are highly accurate guns.

Back in the days, I had alot of experience with AKs, especially AK-74s and I can say, that ingame AKs behave like they were hold by 16 year old kid. While firing it on automatic mode it's moving every 3-5 shots. In real life, if you are holding AK tight, it won't "dance" in your hands, like it happens in PR and as you mentioned in reality they are highly accurate guns, able to effectively engage targets even at 400-500m ranges.

Yeah please change the AK / Russian type guns please

Megagoth1702 wrote:I believe the special treatment that M4, M16, and all the popular rifles got is due to their... Popularity in the community and the world. Rather unpopular guns do not sound good at all. G3? No feel of a 7.62 going throug there, hell the M4 sounds more powerful on muttrah so when listening for MECs listen to the weaker gun. The M4 sounds even more powerful than the M240B which is just distorted to the nogo area.

I dislike nearly all the new weapon sounds. I am an audiophile person and having this forced on us instead of having a choice like we used to frustrated me enough to make a video on this. Another one on "what people mean when they say clipping/distortion" is coming.

Gun Sounds - what are they, how to make them "real"? DICE oriented. - YouTube

I agree with this. I only like the new vehicle sounds, the small arms just sound strange now, and I keep getting confused about the kind of weapon I'm listening to when I'm at distances.

And that video made a lot of sense. The current AKs lack that mechanic part you talk about in the video. Well done.

People want useful AK, developers, if you are not sure, just make a vote...

Actually, i was confused a lot these days by the new AK74Ms. I recorded some videos as russian SLs, but no one satisfied me. Because all of the videos have an unaccurate and jumping AK74M in my hand and messed up my K/Ds. I think that's because the updates makes it closer to the realistic at first, but then I realized that the AK74Ms' accuracy are even worse than AK47! They also have an weird recoil.

So plz replace it with one which much closer to the realistic as soon as possible. I can't wait to record a video with an nicer AK74M

There are three problems with the russian weapons right now:

1. RPK-74M has a bugged recoil code. River has already stated, that it is a bug and will be fixed

2. The AK-74M optics is the only assault rifle with a ObjectTemplate.recoil.zoomModifier of "0.6". All other assaultrifles use a "0.4" recoil.zoomModifier, thats why the AK-74Ms recoil is that much greater. "0.6" is the default value for all "non scoped weapons" and the AK-74M is the only assault rifle, using this value for both scoped and ironsight.

3. The AK-74M uses the deviation code for "assaultrifles" "compact", which is slightly worse in minimum Deviation, Fire Deviation and Speed Deviation than "assaultrifles" "standard" (M16A4, C7, G36, ), "bullpup" or "carbine" . I am not sure, why a compact rifles, should be worse in almost each category (without any advantage), maybe it was a realism decision, maybe a gameplay decision.

Nice video with AK and AR, AR is a home version of M16A4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZO11glbkr4

ObjectTemplate.recoil.zoomModifier of "0.6". All other assault rifles use a "0.4"

This was also is a bug, and already has been rectified for the next update.
You gentlemen will be please to know that a reduction on the recoil for the ak74 rifles has been made for the next update and we shall see how they perform.
Please keep the comments positive and constructive, and i will have no issue in discussing it with you all.

So the recoil gets reduced additionally to the recoilModifier fix? Interesting changes are coming.

Maybe it will be possible to enjoy Russia on Dovre vs G36 now.

One other minor critique I have is that it's very hard to strafe and fire with any precision now. Moving even a little while aiming down sights throws your accuracy off horribly (I feel more so than v.98 did, although I could be dead wrong). Not sure if this is intended, but I don't personally like it.

Some weapons have strange recoil patterns, should be checked out.

Edit: I see you have already fixed issues with AK series. Thats where the major problems were.

The AK 74 has even a "smaler" bullet (5,45 x 39 mm) then the NATO version with 5,56 x 45 mm.
A AK74 is not near the same as an AK47 with a (7,62 x 39 mm) !!!

So i dont understand why it has more deviation then a AR for example.
Maybe i am wrong, but less energy (Joule) makes less deviation.
Might be that the spring system is different and the AR is better there.
But i dont hink that the AK74 has more punch then a AR/NATO round.

THe AK74 should have the smalest damage and the smalest deviation from the assault rifles.

By the way the LMG of the russians is totaly useless compaired to other LMG in the game.

For some reason I've found that instaproning is actually more effective than it should be compared to the previous versions. Can anyone shed light on this?

dtacs wrote:For some reason I've found that instaproning is actually more effective than it should be compared to the previous versions. Can anyone shed light on this?

It's probably due to the recoil being a bigger factor than deviation these days. The insta-prone makes your deviation large, but doesn't affect your recoil, and thus since the deviation was tightened up overall (min/max/per shot), proning will inevitably be more effective.

Or at least, that's my take on the issue. K_Rivers should be able to answer better

ChallengerCC wrote: By the way the LMG of the russians is totaly useless compaired to other LMG in the game.

If you mean RPK-74 is useless because of low rate of fire and low mag capacity (compared to NATO LMGs), than it's just reflection of the real state of things.

ChallengerCC wrote:The AK 74 has even a "smaler" bullet (5,45 x 39 mm) then the NATO version with 5,56 x 45 mm.
A AK74 is not near the same as an AK47 with a (7,62 x 39 mm) !!!

So i dont understand why it has more deviation then a AR for example.
Maybe i am wrong, but less energy (Joule) makes less deviation.
Might be that the spring system is different and the AR is better there.
But i dont hink that the AK74 has more punch then a AR/NATO round.

THe AK74 should have the smalest damage and the smalest deviation from the assault rifles.

By the way the LMG of the russians is totaly useless compaired to other LMG in the game.

Deviation and bullet damage is all contextual. Energy, with proper rifling actually decreases deviation, like seen in sniper rifles as they are pretty accurate. AK-47 is loosely built, therefore deviation will be bigger. According to wiki, 5.45x39 has substantially lower free recoil than compared to 5.56x45 and 7.62x39, which are surprisingly quite close. This is because its the smallest of the charges and thus includes less powder because if there was more, the muzzle brake would have to be the one from the barret .50 cal, otherwise gas pressure would effect the bullet trajectory upon exiting the barrel.

In short, deviation is a factor of bullet speed, rifling, lenght of the barrel and build quality.
Recoil, however is again various things, but primarily its just how strong is the bullet, where in this case, AK74 is the lowest, thus apparently the least recoiling and G3 being the most recoiling due to its triple capacity charge compared to the 74. Again, fhysics come into play... rifles weight distribution, lever forces, exit point, gas vectoring.

About the damage... same thing again; different bullets act differently and the one from AK74 is supposedly as lethal as a 5.56x45m due to its characteristics upon impact.

See, how many things our poor DEVs have to consider and take into account?

By the way the LMG of the russians is totaly useless compaired to other LMG in the game.

Even thou it has fucked up recoil in deployed mode(it's already fixed in the next update) it's a pretty good gun and there is maps where I prefer to have RPK rather than PKP. It is basically more accurate version of AK74 with a 45-round mag which is pretty good to me, I use it as some sort of a marksman rifle rather than SAW.