I'd love to see this change made!Frontliner wrote:The problem with this is as of the current version it is entire possible when playing the the Wehrmacht to have 1 StG 44, 2 MP40s(Breacher, Gren Alt), 1 MG34 and 1 MG42(the remainder are 2 medics and a LAT) without abusing people going CO for some more Officers Kits. This leads to a ratio of 5 automatic firearms to 3 Kar98ks. So, as much as it pains me to do that, in order to counteract the aforementioned fullautospam, a lot of the available classes for Germany will have to be equipped with Kar98ks only. The only classes for the regular Wehrmacht who do get something different are the Designated Marksman(G43), the Officer(MP40, no alternative) and the MG roles. This places more emphasis on the Machine Gunner, as they are largely responsible for your squad's firepower. It also means that the Germans will rely more on defensive tactics, ambushes from cover, from FOBs(which they can fortify with up to 2 MG42s) and using other emplacements.
Sure, but it also takes waaay longer to put single rounds into the K98 and yet Germans can put whole 5 round clip down the well (while 3 rounds are inside), with same reload time as if it was empty. But Garand takes too much time? Pull the bolt and hold it + click a button. Done. Thats it. Garand takes as much as any other rifle realy. https://youtu.be/5GdTKm4eBAs?t=1m53s[R-DEV]Mats391 wrote:The thing is that the reload for a loaded Garand is quite different from an empty one. It is also longer to reload a loaded one. Both cannot be represented in game. One thing we could look at is reload speed. That was the huge advantage of the Garand and also the reason why the ping was not considered a fatal give away to the enemy. By the time he moved to take advantage of your empty rifle, you would already have reloaded.
You are not listening. Why is K98k or SKS or SMLE not bound by this rule?[R-DEV]AfterDune wrote:We simply can't feature more than one type of reload in the engine. We chose to go for the one that you do when you empty the clip. And that includes the thing popping out. Now, you want that popping out the second you fire your last round. BF2 doesn't know a system like that, so we made it part of the reload animation.
And so the weapon is set to automatically reload when empty (ignoring PR's setting to never auto reload). But, that comes with a side effect that you can't reload mid clip.
And that's why it is like it is. Engine limitations.
Of course we can take away the auto reload, but the result is that the thing pops out only after you press your reload key. I think that's much worse than not being able to reload mid clip.
Yes, now I understand. Thank you. I've got carried away by all those comments that claim one cannot reload Garand because Garand is made that way xD (WHICH IS BS)[R-DEV]AfterDune wrote:I just explained that... We forced auto reload, so when you emptied your clip, the reload animation immediately kicks in. This contains the thing popping out, followed by the actual reload.
Forcing it like this eliminates mid clip reloads. Other weapons aren't setup the same, because they don't have something pop out the second you fire your last round. That is why!
Engine limitations, as I said.
Sorry I have to hijack this thread with something ultimately pointless, but this is a common misconception that you see very often: Waffen SS or FJG did not have priority to receive StG44s! In fact, the SS was not equipped differently from their Wehrmacht equivalents at the company level (unlike say the modern day Marine Corps has different kit from the US Army). To anyone not interested in the arcane details of German military organisation: Save yourself! I will now talk about this at length.Frontliner wrote:For a SS/Waffen SS or FJ unit to field the rare StG 44, the MP40 on personell other than SQLs(Breacher) and FG42s as SAWs wouldn't be uncommon and it would greatly add to gameplay variety if that were a thing.
Very informative, thank you!Ts4EVER wrote:Sorry I have to hijack this thread with something ultimately pointless, but this is a common misconception that you see very often: Waffen SS or FJG did not have priority to receive StG44s! In fact, the SS was not equipped differently from their Wehrmacht equivalents at the company level (unlike say the modern day Marine Corps has different kit from the US Army). To anyone not interested in the arcane details of German military organisation: Save yourself! I will now talk about this at length.
There were three ways a German soldier might have gotten his hands on an StG44:
1. Prototype testing
Large scale testing on the MKB42 prototype and the MP43/1 was carried out on the eastern front starting in mid 1943, mostly in the northern part (around Leningrad). A number of units took part, including SS divisions and bog standard infantry divisions. They used these guns and wrote reports about how they worked and how they could be used tactically.
One of the few units in Normandy who probably had some MP43s from these tests was the 1st SS Panzer Division, whose monthly status report mentions 120 of them. (Can't remember the exact number, but it was something like that).
Based on these tests, a memo went out in early 1944 recommending that the new weapons were to be concentrated in a so called "Machine Pistol Platoon" in each company.
2. Standard Issue
Starting in early 1944 the Germans made an effort to systematically introduce the assault rifle into their forces. At first they seem to have wanted to completely outfit whole infantry divisions with them, however, this was only done to the 1. Infanterie-Division, as well as some ski and cavalry units. My guess is that the losses in the summer of 1944 simply made this unworkable.
Instead in July 1944 (so after the Normandy fighting was well under way) the next wave of Infantry Divisions (note: Infantry, not mechanised Infantry like the SS) were to be created with one MP-Platoon in each Company.
This was later increased in October and November to two platoons per company. These new division were called "Volksgrenadier-Divisions" and first used in the West during the battle of the bulge.
So what about Panzergrenadiers, like in the Panzer or SS divisions? They only received a similar order in early 1945 (possibly never implemented). Until then, StG44s do not appear in their tables of equipment. It is possible that this was not done because mechanised infantry had 2 lmgs per squad, so they may have felt the assault rifles were not as high a priority. The same is true for the FJG.
3. Clerical fuckup
Since the StG44 used different ammunition, it was supposed to be issued in bulk as outlined above. However, it appears that the naming confusion (MP44 vs StG44) led to them being issued to replace normal MP40s for squad leaders by mistake in some cases. This was not according to doctrine however. In fact, they issued a new table of equipment later in 1944 to make clear the distinction between the two, evidence that there was some confusion.
This is also why there are many veteran accounts claiming that there was a lack of ammunition for the StG44: As you can imagine, having single weapons of a different calibre floating around really does a number on logistics!
So in conclusion: SS had fewer, rather than more StG44 and there were almost none in Normandy, since the organisational changes had not been done at that point yet.
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