Even then, you could just use VOIP and a TS3 server with your friends. If the whole argument is about positional audio, that isn't anything amazing to me. Go play ARMA 2 with ACRE (which uses TS3) and you'll see just how much the PR + Mumble combo lacks.[R-MOD]Mongolian_dude wrote:Team channels, Brah. Team channels.
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I dont think anyone should be forced to use mumble, unless somehow it can be incorporated into PR files itself, ready to use as if it were part of the same software. Yes, like ARMA.Lzryde wrote:Even then, you could just use VOIP and a TS3 server with your friends. If the whole argument is about positional audio, that isn't anything amazing to me. Go play ARMA 2 with ACRE (which uses TS3) and you'll see just how much the PR + Mumble combo lacks.
Some servers tried to enforce Mumble, where are they now? They either gave up, or are so far at the bottom of the server list, I haven't seen them for a good year.
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sector7g wrote:It is not an invasion of privacy unless I use it. I do not use it because other people can hear my conversation THAT IS INVASION OF PRIVACY. So I choose not to use it so as not to have to hear some twat breathing or going on about every shot they remember taking. Also that way I don't have to deal with spammers - and muting your self is no answer at all ! I might as well switch the dam thing of or better yet not install it at all.
It is not trolling ! I have been asked for my opinion right or wrong and I have given it. (it was not intended for your big mouth it was intended for Devs to analize and understand why I do not like it ! - seeing as they asked !
@Herbie maybe you should stop trying to bully people into using it ? Like i said I already talk to those that I wish to communicate to. If I am not talking to you in the game may be it's because I don't want to talk to you much less hear you in the game !
For spamming of mumble how about you look through the posts people bothered to write up on people singing, breathing and going on about how great they are at this game.
I don't see why I should be forced to use mumble if I do not want to or do not like the basic premise of the programme.
The whole thing stinks of facist attitude and I maintain is still AN INVASION OF MY PRIVACY - If you can not see how this is an invasion of privacy then you are eligable to work for government who also can't understand how listening in on someones conversation is an invasion of privacy.
I do not look forward to the day where mumble[speakupboy] is mandatory and PR will have lost the likes of me and any one else that is a little protective of their privacy...
In short - you want to use mumble ? That is fine by me just don't force me to use your crappy, inferior to TS3 product because I will NOT.
[/INDENT][/INDENT]I dont get it? How is mumble LESS private than Teamspeak, which you seem to like? On teamspeak everyone hears you. On mumble those who are unlinked and those who are nearby you hear you. In Teamspeak ALL partecipants do. Mumble is meant as an application endorsed by the devs for the PR community at large. If you want to have a private talk with just friends I guess you could use a channel or program nobody else is using.sector7g wrote:It is not an invasion of privacy unless I use it. I do not use it because other people can hear my conversation THAT IS INVASION OF PRIVACY. So I choose not to use it so as not to have to hear some twat breathing or going on about every shot they remember taking. Also that way I don't have to deal with spammers - and muting your self is no answer at all ! I might as well switch the dam thing of or better yet not install it at all.
It is not trolling ! I have been asked for my opinion right or wrong and I have given it. (it was not intended for your big mouth it was intended for Devs to analize and understand why I do not like it ! - seeing as they asked !
@Herbie maybe you should stop trying to bully people into using it ? Like i said I already talk to those that I wish to communicate to. If I am not talking to you in the game may be it's because I don't want to talk to you much less hear you in the game !
For spamming of mumble how about you look through the posts people bothered to write up on people singing, breathing and going on about how great they are at this game.
I don't see why I should be forced to use mumble if I do not want to or do not like the basic premise of the programme.
The whole thing stinks of facist attitude and I maintain is still AN INVASION OF MY PRIVACY - If you can not see how this is an invasion of privacy then you are eligable to work for government who also can't understand how listening in on someones conversation is an invasion of privacy.
I do not look forward to the day where mumble[speakupboy] is mandatory and PR will have lost the likes of me and any one else that is a little protective of their privacy...
In short - you want to use mumble ? That is fine by me just don't force me to use your crappy, inferior to TS3 product because I will NOT.
User infracted for Insulting other Members and warned for Attitude Problem and Disrespect towards the Project Reality Team
What can Teamspeak 3 do that mumble cant? The main fault it has is, that at a certain altitude, jetfighter pilots become unlinked, at which point mumble becomes TS3. As far as I know you can talk to everybody in channel as well using mumble, just like in TS3.Lzryde wrote:My main arguments are:
-PR + Mumble doesn't bring anything new or amazing to the table in terms of comms realism. Really all it adds is positional audio. That's it.
-Hearing a Chinese/MEC/Russian enemy speaking in perfect English kills realism for me
Originally Posted by Herbiie
Seriously there's no reason for not using Mumble, any "reason" people come up with is rectified straight away. Only reason people don't use mumble if because they are obviously too lazy to set up a programme that has a quick wizard to get everything set up..
And no offense, but this is just ignorant. If that is the kind of attitude Mumble users have, I'm glad I don't have to listen to them talk.
:-X :-X :-X :-X self censored :-X :-X :-X :-X'[R-MOD wrote:Mongolian_dude;1462889']Nope, your trolling all right.
If that is genuinely how you feel about it (which I highly doubt), I think you would benefit from:
A) Stopping discussing your bank details/passwords/security information or anything that you can actually consider private, while online-gaming. If you consider the actual tone and pitch of your voice something valuably secretive, I think online gaming isn't quite for you.
B) Cancelling your weekly subscription to Tin-foil-hats-anonymous
C) Realising that teamwork is an essential part of PR
D) Realising that communication is an essential part of teamwork
E) Knowing that not everyone with a computer is out to get you, get into your base and kill your doods
F) Discovering E) is true by trying other servers where players are perhaps a little more mature
G) Insulting other users on this forum, as its against the rules.
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Expect none of your arguments have been constructive. In no way did you try to point out how the mumble experience could be better, you just said dont force it on me. I am sure people would be more than inclined to read your posts if they were actually constructive or if you were actually trying to point out the flaws of mumble in a civil manner. But you are not.sector7g wrote:and calling me a troll for expressing my honest views is not insulting me ??????????? Please - Do not double standard me !
It is a minor breach of privacy - NONE THE LESS a breach of privacy. This is what gets me about mumble... People insulting or attacking you because you point out a few constructive criticisms. May be we she all just pretend to like it ? May be we should change title of this thread to - "tell us why you like mumble, but criticisms just shut up" ? Would the world be a better place then ?
Mumble is supposed to be a choice. I have chosen not to use it and no end of insulting or bullying is going to change the basic fact that it's a breach of privacy.
I have no fight against people who want to mumble that is their deal. I just want to be able to play with out mumble. Is it to much to ask ?
Inter SL comms are only achievable in TS3 through whispers or channel commander systems. That is already way to much effort as opposed to joining 1 channel in mumble then playing. It adds positional audio, which TS3 in its current state cannot do with as little setup time as mumble.-PR + Mumble doesn't bring anything new or amazing to the table in terms of comms realism. Really all it adds is positional audio. That's it.
-Hearing a Chinese/MEC/Russian enemy speaking in perfect English kills realism for me.
You can whisper to channels/channel commands/clients/usergroups in TS3. The entire whisper system in TS3 is very well done.Tim270 wrote:Inter SL comms are only achievable in TS3 through whispers or channel commander systems. That is already way to much effort as opposed to joining 1 channel in mumble then playing. It adds positional audio, which TS3 in its current state cannot do with as little setup time as mumble.
@ you're second point. Go to (In PR) options>Audio> Untick 'english VO only'. Then you can hear all native languages. Or were you talking about mumble?
Also, do not base your opinions of the program as a whole on the basis of somebody spamming or being aggressive. Like everywhere on the internet, it happens. Report them to server admins.
I run TS and mumble at the same time, and in no way is it too much chat to handle, and i usually SL a squad while doing this so im in mumble SL channel too.sector7g wrote:I like TS3 because i am on there with people who I choose to be on with - My clan mates, they are the only people that I want to hear or talk to and more to the point you don't get kicked out of our server for not being on our TS3 !
Lzryde wrote: -Hearing a Chinese/MEC/Russian enemy speaking in perfect English kills realism for me
What are you apologizing for? There is no solution to this problem. That's why I've given up on the whole "everyone can hear everyone" idea and prefer the "team can hear team" idea.Conman51 wrote:Well im sorry there isnt a como rose button for your guy to scream
"enemy behind a tree 300m away he has a HAT tank watch out"
in a foreign language
Most servers use 2 channel system, so you cant hear the enemy.Lzryde wrote:What are you apologizing for? There is no solution to this problem. That's why I've given up on the whole "everyone can hear everyone" idea and prefer the "team can hear team" idea.
If Mumble could play some generic Russian BS sound clip every time an enemy Ruski talked, I'd be happy. But that isn't going to happen, is it?
If you have that mindset, maybe you are playing the wrong game. If one side uses mumble and has therefore good coordination and an effective CAS you are not helping your team. I am the first to say that for good teamwork you should be a regular on the server and try to play with the same people, but it does not mean you have to be best friends 4 life with them.sector7g wrote:I like TS3 because i am on there with people who I choose to be on with - My clan mates, they are the only people that I want to hear or talk to and more to the point you don't get kicked out of our server for not being on our TS3 !
Doesn't hurt to hear your teammates thoughWakain wrote:other: I don't have a mic.
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