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Jevski wrote:Thats fine mully, to voice your opinion, but doing it like Chris and web is not. Nor is taking action against it, as they have done. I have told them on several occasions that im not just afk, that im administrating the server, often during EU hours im alone doing it, and then I surely dont have the ability to play at the same time, but chris and coruz are criticizing the fact that I admin. They know the rules, yet keep breaking them, and then whine about me not doing any playing when i catch them breaking the rules.

So I was banned... I haven't been on the server to do anything to warrant that today. I'm posting a ban appeal on your forums.

Jevski wrote: So, we have ppl complainin about lack of admins. Then when im online, not even playing to admin the server, we have the 69 to complain. Could it be that its often you guys who gets warned about locking squads.

Geeze that's the best you've got when I mention that you threaten players with temp bans when they mention YOU [Jevski] are breaking your own rules !? and for edited logs where you removed what you said.

Jevski wrote: It was Korengal, a map where baserape often occurs so heavily that Bluefor cant even leave main. So I go stand on a hesco far inside main(see picture and red dot for location) And because Im afk, or at other times chose to ignore trolling from the 69th which often happens about me not doing anything(besides admining) Corux and Chris chose to spend alot of energy to first push me down from the hesco, and out into open area, and then proceed to push me with a hummer out of main exit, distrupting what I was doing, and that is catching baserapers, Chris and Corus go nuts as usual

I know you're smart enough to know its Corux and not Corus but you're evidently not paying attention. Us moving you 10 m in game is not a lot of effort when we are planning on how to help the team but you think that's a lot of effort, hah. How are you admining if you're afk and you've lodged yourself in that spot where players won't notice you just like you normally do when you AFK on other maps. Don't say you need to be in the server because there are plenty of punishments dolled out via PRISM, especially by you.

Jevski wrote:

Corux comments to me doing my job as admin. But of course it would be better for me to either sit in a locked 1man sqd, or taking up space in another sqd while admining...right?
[21:58 TEAM 2 ] |69th| Corux'No': wanna join our squad?
[21:58 TEAM 2 ] |69th| Corux'No': you'e not in one!?
[21:58 TEAM 2 ] |69th| Corux'No': stop being afk?
[21:59 TEAM 2 ] |69th| Corux'No': youre going to threaten me because you break the rules ok w.e
[21:59 TEAM 2 ] |69th| Corux'No': you win bud

How about you post the logs including what you said ???

Oh im so sorry for misspelling your name one time. I hope you can forgive me.

The reason I didnt post my comments, is that on our admin web interface I cant search for whole rounds of conversation, I have to search by name, and only chat by that name shows up, Our loglist of the maps whole chat, takes a bit longer to search through and dont go back that far, at least not in that form. I just checked. Our view chat log that shows ALL chat during a round goes back to the 25-2, Logs where I can search what a specific player has said goes back to last year and more.
But just to make you happy I again used time on you(thank god I dont have to do that in the future) and found the complete log

[21:58 TEAM 2 ] =HOG= Jevski: dont pull that **** ever again
[21:58 TEAM 2 ] =HOG= Jevski: 69th guys
[21:58 TEAM 2 ] |69th| Corux'No': wanna join our squad?
[21:58 TEAM 1 ] bigbadjesus: senpai
[21:58 TEAM 2 ] |69th| Corux'No': you'e not in one!?
[21:58 TEAM 2 ] |69th| chrisweb89: moving you to the fight?
[21:58 TEAM 2 ] =HOG= Jevski: stop being a ****
[21:58 TEAMKILL] lipton506 TEAMKILLS prWARs DURAND
[21:58 TEAMKILL] Daesh Salah_Abdelsam TEAMKILLS FEEL_LIKE_REMBO
[21:58 TEAM 2 ] |69th| Corux'No': stop being afk?
[21:58 SQUAD 2 ] bigbadjesus: !shownext
[21:58 GLOBAL ] AssBlaster9000: how many tickets left
[21:59 TEAM 2 ] =HOG= Jevski: do u want help to stop playing here?
[21:59 GLOBAL ] bigbadjesus: how many caches have you destroyed
[21:59 TEAM 2 ] |69th| Corux'No': youre going to threaten me because you break the rules ok w.e
[21:59 TEAM 1 ] Overdose: !shownext
[21:59 TEAM 2 ] |69th| Corux'No': you win bud
[21:59 SQUAD 8 ] [KOR]KingChicken: !shownext
[21:59 TEAM 2 ] =HOG= Jevski: !tb corux go cool off

Instead of being thankful for an admin that actually is not to busy to kick asshats since he is playing(see Chrisweb ref earlier about setnext) - you whine and whine.

But again, im not surprised. Not once do you mention all the shit you been doing, it is as always the other dudes fault, every time.

PRISM is unstable. It crashes often, and when it does it not possible to log on again until a server restart, so I have to be ingame, it has a biiig memory leek also. Also being ingame often gives me more information than just sitting on PRISM. Doing both am able to see who baserapes, since I know my position ingame, and I can in PRISM see who killed me with what weapon.

I can also see who locking sqds, shooting in main, doing loops in the chopper, smoking main and many other things that is not possible in PRISM. But again, what does that has to do with you and Chris trolling and breaking server rules? Nothing, its just your poor attempt yet again at deflecting the real issue.

So next time time someone is reporting something, and I have to switch team to see whats going on, you want me to follow the rules then? and not switch to handle it, since our rules say "Keep teamswitching to a minimum."

I really cant take you serious. And since you have been banned from the server, I dont have to.

Chris is an *******, there are few doubts about that, but many of us who put on the 69th tags or play with him regularly know that it is exactly because of his direct and aggressive play style (which many perceive to be ******* behaviour) which makes him an effective SL and player. That is coming from someone who gets berated by Chris for fucking up or making stupid mistakes, but that makes me improve as a player. Chris is most an *******, but he is most definitely not a troll. And if he and the others listed are to be banned for being ********, then do so, and let them rectify like any other player.

Now in regards to the logs I believe most of these are completely taken out of context to paint Chris, and thus 69th in negative light, because most of us are not as vocal as Chris or those listed here in giving complaints.

So, we have ppl complainin about lack of admins. Then when im online, not even playing to admin the server, we have the 69 to complain. Could it be that its often you guys who gets warned about locking squads.

Its not about whether you are there to admin or not Jevski, its about why you need to take up a server slot and sit AFK when you could use Prism. This is especially important because HOG is regularly filled to capacity

It was Korengal, a map where baserape often occurs so heavily that Bluefor cant even leave main. So I go stand on a hesco far inside main(see picture and red dot for location) And because Im afk, or at other times chose to ignore trolling from the 69th which often happens about me not doing anything(besides admining) Corux and Chris chose to spend alot of energy to first push me down from the hesco, and out into open area, and then proceed to push me with a hummer out of main exit, distrupting what I was doing, and that is catching baserapers, Chris and Corus go nuts as usual

While I don't condone that sort of action (though I don't see how pushing you out of main is disruptive), this would not happen if you used Prism.

Corux comments to me doing my job as admin. But of course it would be better for me to either sit in a locked 1man sqd, or taking up space in another sqd while admining...right?
[21:58 TEAM 2 ] |69th| Corux'No': wanna join our squad?
[21:58 TEAM 2 ] |69th| Corux'No': you'e not in one!?
[21:58 TEAM 2 ] |69th| Corux'No': stop being afk?
[21:59 TEAM 2 ] |69th| Corux'No': youre going to threaten me because you break the rules ok w.e
[21:59 TEAM 2 ] |69th| Corux'No': you win bud

Again, this complaint lies in the fact that Prism is available as oppose to you sitting AFK.

2016-01-07 23:09:03: W performed by 'ZIPPO meatplow-190' on '|69th| chrisweb89': Support Teamplay, unlock your Infantry Squad
2016-01-07 23:09:23: W performed by 'ZIPPO meatplow-190' on '|69th| chrisweb89': Do not lock infantry squads. Unlock your squad

I don't recall the exact instance this happened, but this does not show the logs before or the ones after.

But lets have a look here at Chrisweb, one of the trolls.
Chris is always ready to complain about maps. No matter what, its either the wrong map, or the wrong layout. Tip of the day. If you dont like the map. LEAVE.

2016-01-08 15:11:17: R performed by '|69th| chrisweb89': mapvote? or playing kham?
2016-01-08 18:27:03: R performed by '|69th| chrisweb89': muttrah and saarema were in the last vote, please change it up
2016-01-08 18:27:12: R performed by '|69th| chrisweb89': noone wants to play the overplayed maps
2016-01-08 18:27:29: W performed by '=HOG= York' on '|69th| chrisweb89': stfu

No, Chris is not always ready to complain about the maps, in your examples he complains about Muttrah and Saarema being on the mapvote, the former of which overwhelmingly wins in mapvotes and is I'm sure everyone knows, considered to be way overplayed and stale. This of course goes back to when HOG had a 24/7 Muttrah server and is a running joke whenever HOG runs Muttrah. And in response to your tip, I think I speak for everyone who plays with 69th: no, we will not leave, that is not how civil society and in extension, gaming communities work; if a difference of opinion exists we seek to reconcile that difference through discourse and discussion, not by apathetically leaving. Additionally I have edited quotes into same timeframes as many of them are not within the same date or context

2016-01-17 19:48:47: R performed by 'Utd| Little-Midget' on '|69th| chrisweb89': stealing sturm
2016-01-17 19:49:33: R performed by 'Utd| Little-Midget' on '|69th| chrisweb89': stealing sturm

I do not see a response by an admin or by Chris or the context of this report

2016-01-23 15:16:37: W performed by '=HOG= JOLLYROOP' on '|69th| chrisweb89': Open, No locked inf squads - Thanks
2016-01-23 15:17:41: W performed by '=HOG= JOLLYROOP' on '|69th| chrisweb89': Open
2016-01-23 19:03:55: RESIGN performed by '=HOG= Jevski' on '|69th| chrisweb89': Open your locked squad!
2016-01-25 17:34:16: W performed by '=HOG= Toxic' on '|69th| chrisweb89': Open your locked squad!
2016-01-25 17:34:38: W performed by '=HOG= Toxic' on '|69th| chrisweb89': Open your locked squad!
2016-01-25 17:34:51: W performed by '=HOG= Toxic' on '|69th| chrisweb89': Open your locked squad!

These are all taken from different dates with no response from Chris or whether there was a squad bug or how many members were the in squad, a compilation of these cherrypicked logs with no context serves only to paint 69th in a negative light.

2016-01-27 18:41:46: K performed by '=HOG= Jevski' on '|69th| chrisweb89': Do NOT fire weapons or smoke in your main base
2016-01-27 18:43:24: R performed by '|69th| chrisweb89' on '=HOG= Jevski': TK in main
2016-01-27 18:46:13: TB performed by '=HOG= Jevski' on '|69th| chrisweb89': Take the discussion to our forums, News banned by =HOG= Jevski

Chris was wrong for shooting in main, and that may deserve a kick, but if you any server were to wholly enforce that rule 24/7 with bans then no one would play on HOG. I also feel that this was thrown in to add onto the negative compilation as there is no TK message to the ban if he did TK.

2016-01-29 22:46:51: R performed by '|69th| chrisweb89': please setnext other than dragonfly

Again, context, was it because the previous map played was Dragon Fly? Or the map being played is actually Dragon Fly? We cannot know without context

2016-02-07 22:34:35: R performed by '|69th| chrisweb89': so no chance at inf layer?

How many players ask this on a regular basis for certain map layers? This is evidence for a ban?

016-02-12 15:38:04: RESIGN performed by '=HOG= Jevski' on '|69th| chrisweb89': Open your locked squad!
2016-02-12 15:39:04: W performed by '=HOG= Jevski' on '|69th| chrisweb89': as a former admin, u have serious problems remembering the server rules

Again context, a cherrypicked compilation of logs taken out context obviously portrays negatively, the whole story is not known.

2016-02-26 20:29:07: W performed by '=HOG= Gustafinski' on '|69th| chrisweb89': STOP WHINING
2016-02-27 13:31:13: W performed by '=HOG= Jevski' on '|69th| chrisweb89': Open your locked squad!
2016-02-28 22:00:07: TB performed by '=HOG= Jevski' on '|69th| chrisweb89': Stop acting the fool. You are messing around, support your team banned by =HOG= Jevski

Again, what is the context of this warn?

But when he was admin he suddenly sings a different song. :
[00:58 GLOBAL ] |69th| chrisweb89: sorry about this, i didnt setnext in time
[00:59 GLOBAL ] |69th| chrisweb89: and noone nagged me to, i got caught up in the ga,e
[00:59 GLOBAL ] |69th| chrisweb89: what are you gonna do about it seagull?
[01:00 GLOBAL ] |69th| chrisweb89: filled with dirty comments?
[01:00 GLOBAL ] |69th| chrisweb89: my email is [email protected]

Again, what is the context? Also I'd like to that say the complains about maps derive from several instances where a mapvote is done very late into a game and is either incomplete or never followed through with a setnext that we end up playing a skirmish map.

Somehow he has forgotten the rules now that he isnt an admin anymore.
If you have a look the the logs below. When he is admin, he takes knows the rules.

ROUND STARTED: 2015-10-03 22:02:41
[22:38 SQUAD 6 ] |69th| chrisweb89: !s yes
[22:38 SQUAD 6 ] |69th| chrisweb89: !s please get out of the vn3 if you arent apc squad
[22:39 SQUAD 6 ] |69th| chrisweb89: !w canada assets
[22:39 SQUAD 6 ] |69th| chrisweb89: !w canada return to base
[22:39 SQUAD 6 ] |69th| chrisweb89: !k canada stealing assets

But when told he is stealing the VN3, then suddenly he is whining and complaining.

ROUND STARTED: 2015-11-20 19:10:02
[20:00 SQUAD 2 ] |69th| chrisweb89: !r no, for the last 3 weeks i have been told vn3s and brdms arent claimable
[20:01 TEAM 1 ] |69th| chrisweb89: vn3s and brdms havent been claimable for the last 3 weeks

So his claims are not responded to? I don't know exactly when Chris stopped being and admin, but why is the response to his report, if it exists, not posted?

Not to mention general behaviour on the server:

ROUND STARTED: 2015-12-01 22:07:39

[22:11 TEAMKILL] |69th| chrisweb89 TEAMKILLS alfik
[22:11 TEAM 1 ] alfik: !r chrisweb driving over friendlies in main base
[22:24 TEAMKILL] Aurix TEAMKILLS |69th| chrisweb89

This log does not show whether it was an honest mistake with a reply on the commo rose or in chat. Why did Aurix tk chris? Again, what is the context?

[21:40 SQUAD 6 ] TOWtotheHEAD: !r chrisweb hijacking an entire squad in the boat going straight to enemy lines against their will
[21:42 TEAM 1 ] |69th| chrisweb89: sry
[21:46 SQUAD 2 ] |69th| chrisweb89: lawllllllllllllllllllllllll

While this I think is the most implicating log, it still lacks context, there are two minutes in between each text, an entire conversation could take place in 2 minutes.

This is him firing in main. A common practice is to tk the guy to get his name, since having 3-4 guys running around in main can easily be mixed up, and the wrong player kicked. This is his reaction, no mention of him breaking rules, only that the problem is as always NOT HIM:

ROUND STARTED: 2016-01-27 18:21:41
[18:41 TEAMKILL] =HOG= Jevski TEAMKILLS |69th| chrisweb89
[18:43 GLOBAL ] |69th| chrisweb89: !r jevski TK in main
[18:44 TEAM 2 ] |69th| chrisweb89: no plans to kick the TKer in main? i was one shooted in the face
[18:44 TEAM 2 ] |69th| chrisweb89: i did, his name is jeski
[18:45 TEAM 2 ] |69th| chrisweb89: you could just look through the squad list, and use your brain
[18:46 TEAM 2 ] |69th| chrisweb89: whenever i admin i didnt sit in main and hurt my team

Where then is the TK prior to this? This is the result, not the method.

Again Chrisweb trolling. Is he trired of getting caught? We have players complaining about no admin being online, but when I am working, I sometimes have the time to monitor the server both from ingame and from Prism, yet here we are again...whine whine whine

ROUND STARTED: 2016-02-12 15:25:02
16:13 TEAM 1 ] |69th| chrisweb89: thanks for being unnasigned all game jevski
[16:13 TEAM 1 ] |69th| chrisweb89: you really helped the team
[16:13 TEAM 1 ] |69th| chrisweb89: yep
[16:14 TEAM 1 ] |69th| chrisweb89: i guess it goes against hog to be the person trying to create teamwork in SL channel, and building and defending on a derp team
[16:14 TEAM 1 ] |69th| chrisweb89: go in prism, follow my everyone move and tell me when i break your rules

Again, to address the AFK issue, chris explicitly mentions the fact that you could use prism instead of taking up a server slot sitting AFK.

Here we have Chicken making a strange report, yet later encouraging the excat same thing later.
[19:36 GLOBAL ] |69th| imchicken1: !r SpetsnazTiger encouraging suicide
[23:58 TEAM 1 ] |69th| imchicken1: go jump of a ridge vs

Again, what is the context? Several hours are in between these two.

Corus reporting all chat, then a short time later....you guessed it...doing all chat. Not to mention the offensive language and ridicule of a born handicap for some.
[16:35 SQUAD 1 ] Coruxs: !r Santaclau all chat
[16:50 GLOBAL ] Coruxs: Itsnot nyone elses fault yo didnt use the forward rally spawn at the start you fucking mongoloid

Again, what is the context of the report and Corux's response, was it a reply to a teammate, if so where is the message is corux replying to? If Corux was being banned for being vulgar then do so, and allow him to rectify like any other player.

Again complaining about an admin actually doing his job, and again being insulting, insinuating alcohilism
[18:30 TEAM 2 ] |69th| Corux2016: !r jevski not in squad
[18:42 TEAM 2 ] |69th| Corux2016: !r jevski not in squad not playing game ?!
[18:42 TEAM 2 ] =HOG= Jevski: corux shut it
[18:42 TEAM 2 ] |69th| Corux2016: Do you know you can use prism?
[18:43 TEAM 2 ] |69th| Corux2016: any plans on playing the game?
[18:43 TEAM 2 ] |69th| Corux2016: alcoholism is difficult on the body and friends
[18:43 TEAM 2 ] =HOG= Jevski: !k corux i said shut it

Why not use Prism?

A bit more of the usual.....
[21:40 GLOBAL ] |69th| Corux2016: fucking mongoloids

The only intelligent thing Ive ever seen him say.....
[19:57 TEAM 1 ] |69th| Corux2016: if you want to argue rules, the server has a forum

And being racist. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jap
[23:46 SQUAD 4 ] |69th| Corux2016: I know the japs like to put chopsticks in grilles anguses
[23:46 SQUAD 4 ] |69th| Corux2016: and then theres the vide where the pump sardines into girls rectum
[23:46 SQUAD 4 ] |69th| Corux2016: and then she forces them out
[23:47 SQUAD 4 ] |69th| Corux2016: and they ask her how she feels

More abusive language
[16:21 TEAM 1 ] |69th| Corux2016: thnx for calling it out you sad ****

Where are the the warnings and kicks and bans for this? If corux is to be banned for poor language and character than why is not being warned in those instances?

Reporting swamp for all chat, something he rarely does, because as swamp says...Know your admins, yet Corux, a minute later....alchatting.....
[14:34 SQUAD 2 ] |69th| Corux2016: !r swampfox allchat
[14:35 GLOBAL ] |69th| Corux2016: kozelsk

What is the context of swamp's all chat? The rule is for all chat spam not simply the use of all chat. Additionally* the out of context "kozelsk" chat message would suggest that he is making a map suggestion.

And finaly you Mully

I'm going to refrain from address the evidence against Mully as he already addressed it earlier.

You all seem to have such a big problem with how the server is run, the rules, the maps. Why dont you all just play somewhere else?

Many players have problems with how the server is run, Chris, Corux and others who have voiced their opinions ingame are merely the most vocal. Yes, perhaps they do indeed lack tact and are in many ways, huge ********, but this compliation of evidence against them is largely taken out of context that only holds in its entirety. Now if it were only them being banned for being vulgar and acting the fool, then do so, and allow them to rectify like any other player. But it seems 69th is being banned for associating with Chris, which would be unfair and unjust, especially since the compilation of evidence against them are taken out of context and cherrypicked to paint Chris and other alleged offenders in the most negative of lights, as I have responded. Additionally, I would like to personally know if you wish me or any others banned for associating with Chris and would like to see the logs that implicate us.

No one else other than the 3 from 69th are banned, as usual say, you took it out of context. The rest of us really free to join, just follow our rules and there won't be any problems.
Prism is far from perfect, u can't see squads, u can't see what's going on in main or on the ground, we prefer to have admins in game as you can see what's going on. It's funny you all are concerned about one slot when two of you are screwing around in main harassing the admin, go figure.

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They make for a lot of work for admins...if the server rules and practices do not meet a players or groups standards...its best to play elsewhere...All the effort exerted is not worth the reward, on either side. We appreciate players being on the server but players that require so much attention and direction take too much time away from the admins and other players....

__Super_6__5__ wrote:No one else other than the 3 from 69th are banned, as usual say, you took it out of context. The rest of us really free to join, just follow our rules and there won't be any problems.
Prism is far from perfect, u can't see squads, u can't see what's going on in main or on the ground, we prefer to have admins in game as you can see what's going on. It's funny you all are concerned about one slot when two of you are screwing around in main harassing the admin, go figure.

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I posted my appeal, but I'm curious why am I banned when I haven't been on the server the past few days?

__Super_6__5__ wrote:No one else other than the 3 from 69th are banned, as usual say, you took it out of context. The rest of us really free to join, just follow our rules and there won't be any problems.
Prism is far from perfect, u can't see squads, u can't see what's going on in main or on the ground, we prefer to have admins in game as you can see what's going on. It's funny you all are concerned about one slot when two of you are screwing around in main harassing the admin, go figure.

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Help me out here

You don't get it do you? A player who is an admin is constantly afk and does not join a squad because he needs to admin is reported for not being in a squad, this happened weeks ago. The same player is once again afk in main and not in a squad when he is moved for 30 s by players planning on what to do for the round because korengal is a difficult map. It's not harassment to ask someone if they want to join your squad but it's certainly harassment to threaten and ban someone for pointing out the truth. How is that the action of a hardcore older gamer?

No one else other than the 3 from 69th are banned, as usual say, you took it out of context.

Why are other members such as chicken included the accusation? I find it misleading and slanderous, in conjunction with Jevski's compilation, to say that

After reading all that, I believe it's time you take your groups poor behavior to another server, I have had enough and so have our admins.

It's funny you all are concerned about one slot when two of you are screwing around in main harassing the admin, go figure.

My grievance* lies not in one complaint, but that it was not solely presented as the banning offense but rather an out of context compilation was gathered* to slander* those who wear 69th tags.

Who's chicken? He is not banned unless someone else banned him for some rule violation

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It would almost seem like some whiney pussy needs a slap and then go play else where.

Super or anyone at HOG, can I get a reason why I'm banned? I haven't played on HOG since Thursday. I don't want to appeal here, but I'd appreciate if I can get an official reason that way I can understand what I did wrong according to you guys.

im not an Admin on HOG ! im just a Normal player like anyone out there !

i said it before and i say it again !

there is nothing Wrong with Jevski....

solidfire93 wrote:im not an Admin on HOG ! im just a Normal player like anyone out there !

i said it before and i say it again !

there is nothing Wrong with Jevski....

I agree, Jevski knows what he is doing and is an efficient admin. I have never seen any proof to show otherwise.

Jevski wrote: coruz

Awww getting cute are you?
How disrespectful from someone who thinks he is so seriouz that he mocks others when they make a point about his actions

If this thread gets personal ill block the discussion for a few days and hand out infractions. Keep it on topic. Fight the system, not the man.

There is nothing wrong with the system mineral, it's been working for how many years now?


EDIT: not attacking you mineral, just pointing out to others that our system is a good working system and has worked well for us, i do understand what your post meant and appreciate it.

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Btw, I know we don't always say it but, cudos to all the admins, you are all doing a great job, couldn't ask for better, thank you.

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So I have a question for super.

If you don't have an administrated server, why have people on it? It's a common thing for servers such as 3dac(when it was up) NEW, PRTA, BASED, BigD. That when it wasn't possible for admins to be on, that the server would get turned off, so that the community gets sent to a server that does have admin on at that time(I mean this as time zone wise).

We don't have schedules for admins, meaning, we don't know when they will be online. Sometimes, there is an admin on late and can handle the server. But turning off the server is not always the case as looking at prspy I see 3dac, new, 21md all running and empty, it is an idea a server or two or three have tried but it's not something we have tried. We want to find admins for those time periods, it is hard but we do have some applications that look like they are going to be cleared and made admins to help during those times.

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