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Here's how it will go: North Korea will be more modern than Chechens, but less than UK or USA. I think they will have scopes. Normal scopes.

Anyone know what this means: Third Pattern AK-47. I think that it our answer. Their 74 is probably similar to that.

North Korea will be a different kind of modern army. Instead of totally advanced equipment, they have numbers and more ammo or amazing firepower.

I would be happy to lead this project. I cannot model veyr well, and am not that great at maps, but I have some info.

North Korea ONLY shows their nukes and their ceremonial marches. Not actual weaponry.

aperson444 wrote: Anyone know what this means: Third Pattern AK-47. I think that it our answer. Their 74 is probably similar to that.

Where are you getting 'Third Pattern AK-47' from? I Google'd this, and was pointed towards this.

-REad

honestly probably the best thing to do in regards to this faction is to first assemble a team of map makers, modellers, and whatever other people have actual skills in mod making. do this before taking on the task of deciding what the north koreans will be using and whether or not they will have scopes. all of those arguments are pointless if nothing can actually be made for the faction in the first place.

This is the third pattern AK-47:



I can be a mapmaker. It's just that BF2 Editor WILL NOT work on my computer. If someone is willing help me, PM me.

aperson444 wrote:This is the third pattern AK-47:

http://www.imfdb.org/images/e/ec/Ak_54.jpg

Yes, I was asking if that was in fact where you got this concept of 'Third pattern AK-47,' Which is not common nomenclature for Kalashnikovs. I'd dissuade you from using Hollywood, let alone a science fiction movie, as a source for information on the N.Koreans.

-REad

Well I got the 'Third Pattern' from Wikipedia, People's Ground Forces Equipment or something like that. A search showed only movies. I believe it was a very obscure type of AK built in the later years of the AK. Apparently it was supplied a lot to fighters in Afghanistan, so I bet that if you find a pic of a mujahadeen with an AK, it will be Third Pattern

aperson444 wrote:Well I got the 'Third Pattern' from Wikipedia, People's Ground Forces Equipment or something like that. A search showed only movies. I believe it was a very obscure type of AK built in the later years of the AK. Apparently it was supplied a lot to fighters in Afghanistan, so I bet that if you find a pic of a mujahadeen with an AK, it will be Third Pattern

would it really be necessary to make a new AK for the north koreans? how much different can it possibly be from the ones we have in the game already? sounds like it would be a waste of time that can be better spent on models that arent already in the game.

Bluffer's guide: Fortress North Korea - Military Photos In that thread you can get to see at least some of the equipment they have (and as well use?)

Some map ideas too ? har har

Hills of Hamgyong could be brought back and Road to Kyongan'Ni converted to US vs. KPA for this mod. In addition a DMZ map is must so US/RoK is finally on the defensive and Pyongyang map would add some nice urban flavor.

Modders should start on things that are most definitely going to be in-game. Chonma Ho, for instance. Korean voices are also a must obviously. So we should also find a Korean volunteer. Scopes should be a low-priority object until we decide what type to use. I think the BTR-60 is good as is, unless we need to change the camouflage? We also have a Little Bird and Mi-8 needing reskin.

I know some Korean people. Don't know if their voices are deep enough, but we'll see.


The problem, Charlie, is that we don't know if their AKs can mount, or not mount scopes.

We definitely need to get some DMZ action.

Use the current AK74 and Ak47, I doubt someone is going to notice the small different, why waste time on a model that is ingame and can be use as a placeholder, some one make a plan and start re skinning

I would make a plan if I was more clear on the pistol used (locally made CZ-75 called Baek-Du San is my choice) and if I wasn't inept at making docs, but I'll try. We might as well reskin the AK-74, but it'd be really low priority. We are having no sniper and giving marksman Zastava M76, right? I'll base my plan off of Mattie's from page 2 with updates we've made since. Yeah, I'm having trouble getting Microsoft spreadsheet to work so I'll just list: (if the Type 88 really has no rail then just pretend I typed -98 )

Optic Rifle: Type 88 with PSO-style Type-78 scope (AK-74 reskin, needs darker finish, metal mag, new scope) (Officer, Rifleman Optic, Rifleman AT, Grenadier)
Rifle: Ironsight Type 88 (medic, engineer, rifleman, specialist, anti-tank, anti-air)
Pistol: Baek-Du San (CZ-75, needs model) (officer)
Machine Gun: Type 62 (RPD, needs model) (automatic rifleman)
Sniper Rifle: JeoGyeokBoChong (Zastava M76, needs model) (marksman)
AA: SA-7 Grail (ingame) (Anti-Air)
Anti-tank RPG-7 (ingame) (rifleman at, tandem warhead for Anti-tank, model being made by Russian community mod?)
Grenade: F1 (ingame)

Tank: Chonma Ho (T-62 reskin, needs turret armor, smoke grenade launchers, larger barrel, all sorts of equipment next to barrel)
APC: BTR-60 (ingame)
IFV: VTT-323 (needs model, decided it'd fit better than BMP-1 if we had more tanks, which the KPA would)
Jeep: UAZ (ingame, maybe give it a green reskin)
Anti-Air: VTT-323, with AA gun (needs model)

Fighter: MiG-29 (ingame, needs reskin)
Bomber: Su-25 (see above)
Transport helicopter: Mi-17 (see above)
Light chopper: MD-500 (Little Bird, see above)
Attack Chopper: Mi-24 Hind (needs model, in progress with Russia maybe?)

Hresvelgr wrote:(if the Type 88 really has no rail then just pretend I typed -98 )

Optic Rifle: Type 88 with PSO-style Type-78 scope (AK-74 reskin, needs darker finish, metal mag, new scope) (Officer, Rifleman Optic, Rifleman AT, Grenadier)

Sniper Rifle: JeoGyeokBoChong (Zastava M76, needs model) (marksman)

While pretending the Type 88 is not the exact same rifle as the '98 and that the type 78 optic would mount on said rifle, why not also model the proper stock for it?

As for the Zastava, while ignoring the whole 78/88/98 fiasco, why not just use the SVD as a place holder?

-REad

How about just do it first and worrying about a simple model fix later

i think the debate about whether the north koreans use scopes or not could be put to rest if we just had some sold information on the real north korean army. theres gotta be some CIA spys, or north korean defectors playing pr right?

I've been looking and looking, but that site with the PSO scope is the only one that I could find. Every google search for north korean scopes is filled with news articles that mention the "scope of their plans" and not the kind of scope you look through (damn the English language). This would be so much easier if North Korea wasn't such a secretive nation. Also, unfortunately, the latest detailed US report on the KPA is dated to 1997. Perhaps if any of you have a MilitaryPhotos.net account you can put up a request for modern KPA or Type 88 pics and see if we get anything useful.

You have to remember, ReadMenace, North Korea is not like other countries. They have countless guarded secrets. Information of any kind is scarce. Even defectors don't know much, at least civilians because even travel is limited. The most information I read that a military defector said was that K1A1 tanks were superior to Chonma Hos. They don't normally take pictures of their forces aside from parades, and tourists can only get pictures of guards. Neither parades nor guards show the standard battlefield equipment I'm sure. So we have to use lots of speculation. I speculate that the only reason they'd upgrade from AK-74 to 74M is to use the 74M's advantages, being scopes. And we know they make scopes. Now it's back to google search...

In the meantime I don't see why nothing else could be worked on. To the extent of my knowledge we are mostly going to use the Chinese light assault kits for the old-style helmet and lack of armor, and engineer kits because they have The KPA hat that they've used all the time since the Korean War. Also, KPA engineers would have to wear the camo too. I saw a pic of an AAA battery crew wearing it. If those guys get camo, engineers definitely
would.

Update: saw another pic of a Type-88 from the left side, this time untarnished!http://www.gunco.net/gallery/data/500/Type_89.jpg

Actually, there are quite a few pictures of North Korean main battle tanks somewhere.... I just have to find them

I'm pretty sure they HAVE scopes. Now it's just what kind of scopes. By the way guys, the third pattern AK-47 is the 3rd version, where the receiver is fully milled. I believe we already have that.

I just saw this thread and it got me wondering. look at the last 4 pics {the older soviet textures}
https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f66-pr ... s-wip.html

now imagine these models in either olive drab or the north korean camo pattern weve seen. maybe it could work for a north korean soldier model? those i believe are EA PLA models, well atleast the PLA model that uses the more roundish helmet. they dont look TOO terribly modern. at the very least they could be a placeholder until someone makes a more authentic NK model?

we may just be a re-skin job away from having workable NK soldiers and vehicles.

aperson444 wrote: I'm pretty sure they HAVE scopes. Now it's just what kind of scopes. By the way guys, the third pattern AK-47 is the 3rd version, where the receiver is fully milled. I believe we already have that.

Again, what evidence do you have that makes you sure that they have scopes for their standard infantry rifles?

Yes, the AK47 that is in-game right now has a milled receiver, and would work fine for the type 68 or whatnot.

charliegrs wrote:
now imagine these models in either olive drab or the north korean camo pattern weve seen. maybe it could work for a north korean soldier model?

we may just be a re-skin job away from having workable NK soldiers and vehicles.

Looks smart, good place holders until someone comes along with a better option.

-REad

I base this mainly off of the fact that NK spends millions on their military. I'm pretty sure they would have at least cheap scopes in significant numbers.