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Kingy wrote: Trial and error is generally the most fun way,afterall guys this is a game, some people need to try and remember that

This maybe fun way for YOU, but what about the other players, who are playing this game seriously?

WHY do you need to use the "trial and error" method when there is already manual that explains the basics?

When I joined in version .5 I as amazed by the friendliness of the people in this community.


Now, I am often times ashamed of the things I read in the server chat. Be friendly, give a hand when a new player has questions.

I think its good to give the noobs some yelling, when I started out alot of people helped me play and I got yelled at alot too, but in the end it pushes you to perfect what ever you are doing (trans helo mostly).

What I don't respect is people bitching about your kiowa being shot down, even though you have helped the team tremendously with it. They say: "Don't fly if you can't" or "Asset waster!!", its like some people don't tolerate any failure.

I'm all for teaching 'noobs' how to play, but when you get someone who's either a mute and doesn't type, or is completely retarded and hell bent on being so, it just gets ridiculous... The moment I get tked on my teams AA emplacement is the moment I loose faith in that persons ability to play the game. There are however some people new to the game who do want to learn how to play and yes we should teach them but I do believe they should at least have a peek at the manual to get the basics. I don't know whether it should be called a strategy guide instead? Maybe it'd make it sound more appealing. It is solely based on that new individuals choice to either be a retard at get hated, or want to learn.

On the asset front, it is very annoying when someone persists in flying choppers into the sea because 'it's their first time', I personally learnt on the training levels(back when they were running, although co-ops the same pretty much), and this helped me a lot in ability to fly.

So yes I will teach someone to play in my squad (and I never lock my squads, I personally prefer playing with the 'noobs' they find the game more enjoyable, less serious bunch), but if they sit there eating hay, or taking the sniper kit when I ask them to avoid taking it, I'll normally just kick them from the squad.

Pedz wrote: So yes I will teach someone to play in my squad (and I never lock my squads, I personally prefer playing with the 'noobs' they find the game more enjoyable, less serious bunch), but if they sit there eating hay, or taking the sniper kit when I ask them to avoid taking it, I'll normally just kick them from the squad.

Ha-ha ....sit there eating hay...

I also never lock my squad unless if i don't need a full squad for the job... Mortar squad or similar.

Likewise i also prefer Leading a bunch that doesn't says yes sir whenever i give an order, but they should have a good reason why not to follow the order and also a good reason why they cannot use VOIP.

Tarranauha200 wrote:This maybe fun way for YOU, but what about the other players, who are playing this game seriously?

WHY do you need to use the "trial and error" method when there is already manual that explains the basics?

Trial and error within reason ofc, when I first joined I didn't touch a vehichle of Air asset for a long time, but with the general infantry gameplay such as what smoke grenades are for, the shovel and how each gamemode works are generally common sense and don't need a manual to explain them. When the mortars and UGL were added I didn't feel the need to look up how to use them, hop-in take a look around and see what's what, in all fairness hitting every button on my keyboard and figuring things out for myself I generally find much more satisfying. Plus alot of the time when you make a mistake you learn from it and don't do it again, understanding why it was a mistake instead of just ignoring it out of caution

As for 'playing the game seriously' I think that applies within reason, sure play seriously and try for aspects such as teamwork, good communication and you'll generally get a good game. But when you go overboard and start becoming offensive when someone might have just made an honest mistake, rise above it and take a much more light-hearted approach, see the funny side but don't start shouting at them and putting them down, it just makes you look like an *** imo

Draakon wrote:As much as I try, I hate it when people don't read manuals. Just my 2 c.

You know what? I hate when people tell others to read the manual when it takes you ten seconds to answer the simple question (Yes, nine out of ten times, the question the noob is asking is a very, very simple one).

I have never opened the manual, because the people I met were glad to help. You should too. Don't we all want this mod to grow? If every person screams "Read the fucking manual!" instead of using ten seconds of your time to answer the simple question, people will get a negative impact on the mod.

I hate it when people write "Read the fucking manual!". Just my 2 c.

My Teacher once told me there are 3 kinds of people.

The ones that read the manual first.

The ones that try on there own first.

The ones that go and ask someone with experience to help them first.

So if you believe this I don't think you can expect everyone to go read a manual before trying.

saXoni wrote:You know what? I hate when people tell others to read the manual when it takes you ten seconds to answer the simple question (Yes, nine out of ten times, the question the noob is asking is a very, very simple one).

I suggest people to read the manual especially when the question is so simple. That usually means there's a lot more simple stuff they don't know. And really, reading the manual for 10 minutes isn't much of a loss, compared to having people in the squad whom you have to brief about too many details in the worst possible situations. Not knowing how to use the field dressing is one thing. Not knowing how to use the field dressing when playing a medic and only realising that you don't know it while in the middle of combat is quite a problem, because there might not be enough time to explain the medic how to stop himself from bleeding to death after he was just shot twice in the back.

(although I do of course not yell at people to RTFM. If there happens to be a newb in the squad, not a big deal. Walk him through. But I'll still tell him to read the manual after the round.)

If he tells you he's new, you could just guide him through the basic stuff before you're moving out, can't you?

1. Don't shoot at anything before I tell you too.
2. Stand still for 5(?) seconds before engaging your target.
3. If you get shot at, take cover.
4. If you're hit, use your field-dressing, and call for a medic.

There's not much more you need to tell a basic rifleman, is there?

New guys should/could join the New Player Training. Learn the basics and get some good advice, like not to touch helicopters before practising on coop. As an Instructor I always try to play a round or 2 of PR in a real server with them after teaching the basics. I join or create an infantry squad, tell the SL that my student is new to PR and I show them how it can/should be played.

Learn Rifleman first and go from their, and as with anything, practice makes perfect.

I'm going to throw this out here, but I do not understand people that only play with a "certain kind of people". It's a gamble, I know, but it's very much worth it. I like to know random players whether they're poorly skilled or uber gods. Playing with the same dudes who you talk almost every day is repetitive and little challenging.

In my opinion, noobs come in two flavors. The good ones, and the bad ones.

The GOOD noob:
Has a mic - this is essential for a lot of reasons.
Has played BF2 for a while - they will have an understanding of the basic controls and aas will be easier to explain.
Will take the rifleman kit and listen - they will be able to learn the flow of the game without having a huge role like a medic or AR.

The BAD noob:
No mic- typing every communication is hard, so most people without mics dont type much.
PR is the first kind of BF2 they have played - they will spend time learning the controls and won't hsve time to understand the gameplay,
They run for the sniper kit or the heli- I didn't play as anything other than rifleman for the first few months.

The good kind of noob is easy to teach and is not bad to have in your squad. The bad noob is impossible to teach, and I refuse to allow them in my squad.

Back when I was noob in .85, I used the crewmen kit to drive the humvee. Then my SQL yelled at me and kicked me from the squad. Next map on operation archer, lost the HAT kit to the insurgency.... I left the server. Its funny now that I look back at it.

Everyone must remember when they first stared playing PR, we were all Noobs once so try and cut them some slack.
I was playing Muttrah the other day and started a mortar squad; initially I got no one joining the squad so I asked for some one to join for 1 min so at least I could get an officer kit and get the FB & Mrts built. 15 min into the game I get two guys join who immediately tell me they?ve never used the mortars before and if I could talk them through it.
Not a problem I said; as trying to run a 1 man mortar squad can be difficult and I needed help. Anyway the first couple of fire missions were obviously very slow and timed out and the rounds went a little astray to the frustration of the inf squads on the ground, however they soon got to grips with the controls and started to speed up. We ended up having a good game with a few kills and friendly chat along the way. But the most satisfying thing was they said thanks for taking the time to show them how to use the mortars. A little patience and understanding can go along way.

If everyone would just stop for a second and think back on the time, when you first started playing PR. Did you by any chance F-up? I know I did back 2009… And yes, I got yelled at and thought it unfair and all(something about a kit I did not knew how to use..)
I almost felt like dropping the game but then in another game, I ended up playing with an extremely friendly (I think british) SL. My motivation for the game returned and since then, treating other players with respect, no matter skill and experience, has been central for my enjoyment of he game.

This is not really a question of the character of the newcomers to the game, but one of manners and social behavior.

I find that the best rule is, “do to others what you want them to do to you”. The PR-community is mostly grown up, if people would just act their age..

I think that its all about attitude and fairly judging the people you play with.

#1 Decide right away whether or not you're going to deal with noobs or not. If you aren't up to it then just kick them or don't bother SLing without a group of friends you know.

#2 Engage them verbally and get them on their mic. Use descriptions of what you want and see if you need to keep it up. If they don't answer you then its obviously gonna fail badly but as long as they show the spirit of effort then I have no trouble even if my squad suffers tactically as a result.

#3 If they challenge you don't get into an argument. Suggest they find another squad where the SL doesn't mind if you don't listen to him, then kick if he doesn't leave and proceed to trash talk him with the rest of the squad.

My experience is that there are two kinds of noobs. The ones that want to learn or help out, and the ones that are dicks that just use your squad as a kit supply or who for some reason stick around a squad but don't actually work with them. The former is the best, the latter deserves the boot. I have noticed a lot of latter lately and its been depressing cause I do remember my first time.

When I started everyone was so nice and you often had good SLs. These days the best squads are all locked up and I find myself becoming an SL just to create an environment I want to play in.

I think that theres a reaction from the experienced community against the noobs. Sure maybe we've seen more and more noobs with somewhat worse attitudes show up lately, but if the good leaders all say 'fuck it' then it'll just compound the issue and then we'll have progressive generations of poorer quality noobs being given none of the values and wisdom that defined the community. In effect it'll die if we don't try and promulgate it.

So whats my feeling? Be a good boy and show a noob how to pick his kit. Its in our own best interests to do it.

Hate those who did not read manuals,and those who won't communicate.but your article is good!


May i post your article and translate it in Reality China??????This will of great help!

[R-DEV]Rudd wrote:Rated thread with 5 stars

we should all be friendlier to eachother anyway, but to the n00bs we should be expecially friendly - a friendly word and a guiding hand.

n00bs are just friends you aint met yet

mostly anyway....

I want a video of you playing with one, or it didnt happen...