United States Servers

[FLAP_BRBGOING2MOON]

While =]H[= is a great server, the inter squad communication is subpar and it plays much like vBf2, its where kills rule. Mains and Fobs/hideouts are usually camped on INS. Then on AAS defense is almost nonexistent and rushes are common. But it still has some good players, and is good fun if you have a few friends to play with.

[Brainlaag]

It funny how this turned again in a server bash, makes me laugh how the American communities are all shattered and hate each other.

Mek zom luv boiz.

[=HCM= Shwedor]

While =]H[= is a great server, the inter squad communication is subpar and it plays much like vBf2, its where kills rule. Mains and Fobs/hideouts are usually camped on INS. Then on AAS defense is almost nonexistent and rushes are common. But it still has some good players, and is good fun if you have a few friends to play with.

Intersquad communication is subpar unless you take the initiative to join our ventrilo, we actually have very good communications.... just you don't hear it because you are unwilling to join vent or mumble. Funny how we have random people who aren't in our clan wearing our clan tags on the forums. (is there no rule against impersonation on these forums?) I don't suppose you have any idea how our tactics work now, seeing that you have been gone a LONG time. Not to mention, as I said earlier, the random person who didn't read our rules and got himself banned, and then goes to claim admin abuse.

We don't usually "defend" in the sense that you mean because it quite simply dosen't work.
FOBS are no longer the "defender's dream" that they used to be in older patches because now we use coordinated mortar strikes to eliminate even the most well built FOBS.
"Some goddamn fool once said that flanks have got to be secure. Since then sonofabitches all over the globe have been guarding their flanks. I don't agree with that. My flanks are something for the enemy to worry about, not me. Before he finds out where my flanks are, I'll be cutting the *******'s throat." Think of it like Patton, attack attack attack. Getting kills usually helps win along with capping. If the enemy is on the same flag you must actually kill them to cap it most of the time.

No matter how many times you say it, mumble has no great advantage to ventrilo. All you have is a bunch of children yelling pointless information in your ears when you join mumble. TG's tactics....are a joke. Just watch some of their videos, people standing ontop of bunkers on kashan for 10min planning an attack (on H if you stood in the open like that you would be toast), and then rushing in from the top and getting raped by the defenders. People tard rushing known caches, spending 200 tickets killing them, and then RTB'ing instead of going and killing another cache (which would actually give them a chance to win).

[saXoni]

No matter how many times you say it, mumble has no great advantage to ventrilo. All you have is a bunch of children yelling pointless information in your ears when you join mumble. TG's tactics....are a joke. Just watch some of their videos, people standing ontop of bunkers on kashan for 10min planning an attack (on H if you stood in the open like that you would be toast), and then rushing in from the top and getting raped by the defenders. People tard rushing known caches, spending 200 tickets killing them, and then RTB'ing instead of going and killing another cache (which would actually give them a chance to win).

Isn't it the opposite when it comes to Mumble? You hear people screaming until you're linked, which you should be as soon as you spawn in for the first time. On Ventrilo you hear people talking as if you're unlinked all the time.

In my opinion Mumble is a lot better than Ventrilo. You have a SL-radio where you communicate with other squadleaders, and you have the 3D-audio (not sure what to call it) which makes you able to talk to smurfs that are on mumble, which is up to 90% of the players on TG.

TG's tactics....are a joke. Just watch some of their videos, people standing ontop of bunkers on kashan for 10min planning an attack (on H if you stood in the open like that you would be toast), and then rushing in from the top and getting raped by the defenders.

Please show me that video you're talking about.

And; do you think it is pure coincidence that the TG has a much better rating than H on the forum?

[Brainlaag]

Intersquad communication is subpar unless you take the initiative to join our ventrilo, we actually have very good communications.... just you don't hear it because you are unwilling to join vent or mumble. Funny how we have random people who aren't in our clan wearing our clan tags on the forums. (is there no rule against impersonation on these forums?) I don't suppose you have any idea how our tactics work now, seeing that you have been gone a LONG time. Not to mention, as I said earlier, the random person who didn't read our rules and got himself banned, and then goes to claim admin abuse.

We don't usually "defend" in the sense that you mean because it quite simply dosen't work.
FOBS are no longer the "defender's dream" that they used to be in older patches because now we use coordinated mortar strikes to eliminate even the most well built FOBS.
"Some goddamn fool once said that flanks have got to be secure. Since then sonofabitches all over the globe have been guarding their flanks. I don't agree with that. My flanks are something for the enemy to worry about, not me. Before he finds out where my flanks are, I'll be cutting the *******'s throat." Think of it like Patton, attack attack attack. Getting kills usually helps win along with capping. If the enemy is on the same flag you must actually kill them to cap it most of the time.

No matter how many times you say it, mumble has no great advantage to ventrilo. All you have is a bunch of children yelling pointless information in your ears when you join mumble. TG's tactics....are a joke. Just watch some of their videos, people standing ontop of bunkers on kashan for 10min planning an attack (on H if you stood in the open like that you would be toast), and then rushing in from the top and getting raped by the defenders. People tard rushing known caches, spending 200 tickets killing them, and then RTB'ing instead of going and killing another cache (which would actually give them a chance to win).

Offtopic much, seriously don't try to promote, or excuse your server, answer the OP and goodbye. I don't wanna sound offensive but talking one thing and acting the other way wont help to improve your image.

Would like to see this thread locked tbh, just causing massive drama and brings up the childish side of people.

[saXoni]

I'd just like to see the video he's talking about.

[=HCM= Shwedor]

PR v0.95 Kashan - Bunker Assault - YouTube

They spend quite a bit of time in the open, no way that would work on H. And they managed to lose a few tickets in the process. I don't think it is a coincidence that TG has a better rating on these forums, most of the DEVs here play with TG.

[saXoni]

First of all: There is a huge difference between 30 seconds and 10 minutes.
I do agree, the chance of being shot is great. But I don't see how you can claim that this would not have worked on H, what so ever.

The attack was well executed. They did not get "toasted" by the defenders, as you claimed they did.
I also doubt that you could have managed this without losing a single ticket.

[=HCM= Shwedor]

And you doubt because you have never seen H take a bunker, and thus your feedback on H is irrelevant.
In a serious game, 30 seconds is like 10min, on H a HAT, tank shell, or sniper would have nailed them the second they went ontop of that bunker. Wasting any tickets on taking an unnecessary fortification is "getting toasted." If you can sit in the open for that long without being shot, then you might as well set up a few more squads in parade formation to cap and simply ignore the noobs camping inside, there was no external resistance.

Funny how people tell H "Offtopic much, seriously don't try to promote." And yet nobody pointed out --->
"The only good US server is TacticalGamer.

[saXoni]

If you can sit in the open for that long without being shot, then you might as well set up a few more squads in parade formation to cap and simply ignore the noobs camping inside, there was no external resistance.

Sooner or later you'll have to take out the squad anyways, as they will cap the flag when you leave it.

Funny how people tell H "Offtopic much, seriously don't try to promote." And yet nobody pointed out --->
"The only good US server is TacticalGamer.

How is that off-topic? The guy asked for a good server, and I simply told him the name of the only good US server.

[Brainlaag]

Offtopic is arguing which server is good, throwing in you think your server is the best (as stated above, selfpromotion) is enough, kthxbai. No need to point out which superior awesome leetass tactics you use, or how awesome your guys are.

[FLAP_BRBGOING2MOON]

Intersquad communication is subpar unless you take the initiative to join our ventrilo, we actually have very good communications.... just you don't hear it because you are unwilling to join vent or mumble.

Not to mention, as I said earlier, the random person who didn't read our rules and got himself banned, and then goes to claim admin abuse.

We don't usually "defend" in the sense that you mean because it quite simply dosen't work.
FOBS are no longer the "defender's dream" ).

Is this supposed to be a response to me buddy? I know that h and hcm and maybe the few pubbies that join your vent know whats going on, but since flap always makes an effort to play on the unstacked team its really irrelevant. Defense does not mean just fobs, it means a squad holding back and defending an objective. whenever y play i see that kills are absolutely top priority on this server and cheap tactics such as camping mains or farming a FOB for kills are often used.

if you want to read my earlier post, it says that there are good players, you guys know how to win but occasionally use tactics that are very arcade-y

its an OPINION, our gameplay experiences and what we want out of a game are different. I play on your server almost daily and im just stating my opinions on it, stop being such a zealot.

[=]H[=TangFiend]

Funny how we have random people who aren't in our clan wearing our clan tags on the forums. (is there no rule against impersonation on these forums?) I don't suppose you have any idea how our tactics work now, seeing that you have been gone a LONG time.

Obviously you mean me, you're right I've been gone since the .8 generation. I am not making another login and losing my post count for your clan's vanity. I was the clan's third member ever and pumped plenty of cash into the server back into the day. I left on good terms, no beef with the members. Like a tattoo on a vet I own the tags too.

Trust me I have seen what Ventrilo and Voip can offer if used correctly. I am sure you think Hardcore is just the apex of all things tactical. I pop in once in awhile, its the same as it always was. I came back to PR for .91 and beyond and tried out mumble and the only server really supporting it was Tactical Gamer. I remember in the first or second full mumble round I ever played I saw 3 inf squads bound and cover and work as an 18 man unit, full IFV fire support and some good heli logistics. Mind you this was mostly pubbers not some all clan teamstack ganging up on the weaker side. I saw the light, there was no going back to a mumble-less gameplay it was like playing with a missing limb.

Mumble can be complicated for sure to set up and tweak to your liking but you can set hotkeys to mute, deafen and adjust volume. Once you have it fully set up and working correctly, it offers much less cross chatter than vent since you don't have to listen to everyone's little target call and information exchange that might have nothing to do with you.

Again people who get it "get it".

[xxkillerxx69]

H[=TangFiend;1667954']Obviously you mean me, you're right I've been gone since the .8 generation. I am not making another login and losing my post count for your clan's vanity. I was the clan's third member ever and pumped plenty of cash into the server back into the day. I left on good terms, no beef with the members. Like a tattoo on a vet I own the tags too.

Trust me I have seen what Ventrilo and Voip can offer if used correctly. I am sure you think Hardcore is just the apex of all things tactical. I pop in once in awhile, its the same as it always was. I came back to PR for .91 and beyond and tried out mumble and the only server really supporting it was Tactical Gamer. I remember in the first or second full mumble round I ever played I saw 3 inf squads bound and cover and work as an 18 man unit, full IFV fire support and some good heli logistics. Mind you this was mostly pubbers not some all clan teamstack ganging up on the weaker side. I saw the light, there was no going back to a mumble-less gameplay it was like playing with a missing limb.

Mumble can be complicated for sure to set up and tweak to your liking but you can set hotkeys to mute, deafen and adjust volume. Once you have it fully set up and working correctly, it offers much less cross chatter than vent since you don't have to listen to everyone's little target call and information exchange that might have nothing to do with you.

Again people who get it "get it".

This wins^

[saXoni]

There's actually no point to discuss what's best of VOIP, Ventrilo and Mumble.

[Tim270]

No matter how many times you say it, mumble has no great advantage to ventrilo. All you have is a bunch of children yelling pointless information in your ears when you join mumble.

LOL. Completely wrong. Sure you get people spamming occasionally. But to say it has no advantage over Vent is just plain ignorant and you gave a terrible example which is completely unrelated to the piece of software itself.

TG's tactics....are a joke. Just watch some of their videos, people standing ontop of bunkers on kashan for 10min planning an attack (on H if you stood in the open like that you would be toast), and then rushing in from the top and getting raped by the defenders. People tard rushing known caches, spending 200 tickets killing them, and then RTB'ing instead of going and killing another cache (which would actually give them a chance to win).

Insulting the TG community, way to go there champ, sure does make your arguments more compelling when you just blindly insult their server/playerbase with little basis other than one video that really does not show any of the sort. The 'this would never happen on H' made me lol for sure, as if H is somehow different from every other PR server? its just a mod dude. It may be hard for you to comprehend but many people use TS/Vent when playing themselves, H has not somehow invented some new wave of tactical advantage by using vent.

The OP asked a genuine question, there was no need to get super aggressive towards TG.

@the topic TG is the best place to start for sure, players are friendly, relaxed admins and a community with a team-based mindset. CIA is also a fun server.

[Souls Of Mischief]

TG's tactics....are a joke. Just watch some of their videos, people standing ontop of bunkers on kashan for 10min planning an attack (on H if you stood in the open like that you would be toast), and then rushing in from the top and getting raped by the defenders. People tard rushing known caches, spending 200 tickets killing them, and then RTB'ing instead of going and killing another cache (which would actually give them a chance to win).

So thats why TG won against Hardcore clan on Kashan dessert...

Funny how you call their tactics "a joke", yet your clan still lost to them. I guess your tactics are even more funnier.

[=HCM= Shwedor]

TG also forgot to remove their kicks for swear words during that match(in team and squad chat) and half our players got kicked several times over. Luckily I was not a part of that and thus I will not debate that match.
However I feel that if TG wanted to scrim us on insurgency, which is what we mostly play, we would easily annhilate them. I would love to have an insurgency match against TG personally.

And spam isn't exactly an occasional thing on mumble, just play in the 128 player servers mumble channel once, all I heard was spam and little kids when I was in it. I only wish there was software to prevent kids from yelling in your ears. Feel free to go into the technical details of mumble tim270, but I don't think you will find mumble has a massive advantage. And to address tang, I would rather hear all information in vent than to miss critical information over mumble. H server is what you make of it, if you play on H and refuse to join our vent or mumble and remain clueless, yes you will not do very well. Just like TG, if you don't join their mumble, you probably won't have a great idea of what is going on.

Funny on these forums how nobody cares when people completely lie about H with no evidence to back it up-->

"After a few moments of playing in your server I believe you do have a decent idea of power abuse."

"I use to play on =H= and HOG then i realized that the admins think there god. and it quickly became a ****. I reported it to there forums but was banned for no apparent reason."

"And i also love how on hardcore if you claim and assets the admins demand it theirs "

I have yet to see any evidence to back this up, and I see no admin abuse cases posted. If you don't know the website, read it in the server discussion thread.

[Souls Of Mischief]

TG also forgot to remove their kicks for swear words during that match(in team and squad chat) and half our players got kicked several times over. Luckily I was not a part of that and thus I will not debate that match.
However I feel that if TG wanted to scrim us on insurgency, which is what we mostly play, we would easily annhilate them. I would love to have an insurgency match against TG personally.

And spam isn't exactly an occasional thing on mumble, just play in the 128 player servers mumble channel once, all I heard was spam and little kids when I was in it. I only wish there was software to prevent kids from yelling in your ears. Feel free to go into the technical details of mumble tim270, but I don't think you will find mumble has a massive advantage. And to address tang, I would rather hear all information in vent than to miss critical information over mumble. H server is what you make of it, if you play on H and refuse to join our vent or mumble and remain clueless, yes you will not do very well. Just like TG, if you don't join their mumble, you probably won't have a great idea of what is going on.

Funny on these forums how nobody cares when people completely lie about H with no evidence to back it up-->

"After a few moments of playing in your server I believe you do have a decent idea of power abuse."

"I use to play on =H= and HOG then i realized that the admins think there god. and it quickly became a ****. I reported it to there forums but was banned for no apparent reason."

"And i also love how on hardcore if you claim and assets the admins demand it theirs "

I have yet to see any evidence to back this up, and I see no admin abuse cases posted. If you don't know the website, read it in the server discussion thread.

Perhaps those guys who got kicked should have been more mature? This isn't a game for kids, mate.

Please back up your claims about annhilating them on Insurgency.

Oh, I love these excuses.

[=HCM= Shwedor]

Hmm, sounds like an interesting idea now. Maybe H and TG should get a good scrim set up. I will propose this in H forums.

Even the most mature curse sometimes, personally I like how George Patton put it-->

"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty. It may not sound nice to some bunch of little old ladies at an afternoon tea party, but it helps my soldiers to remember. You can't run an army without profanity; and it has to be eloquent profanity. An army without profanity couldn't fight its way out of a piss-soaked paper bag. ... As for the types of comments I make, sometimes I just, By God, get carried away with my own eloquence."

I am done with this thread for the moment, what has been said has been said, I recommend that the thread starter go through each server and try playing how the people on that server prefer. I'm not aware of any west coast US servers that are populated during east coast play hours.