Why can't I throw an Incendiary?

[Pvt.LHeureux]

I don't want to see this given it's ability to be thrown far again, I had 2 APCs destroyed by this, now they are used properly, to burn down stuff when there's no enemy around/cleared the place.

[Vincento94]

I like the idea of Bonsai.

Place it like a mine/tripwire/IED on the ground and it automaticly goes of after a amount of second.

[spiked_rye]

Well, I don't want to see an exploit being added, but I'd be in favour of some throwing, like maybe 2 metres, just enough to get it on to the top of a parked tank, or the back of a flatbed truck. At the moment it feels a little like your solider is a bit *sigh, I never wanted to ever use this phrase* Herp derp, and accidentally drops a live incendiery every time he tries to get one out...

Grenade drop - YouTube

[zloyrash]

79. U.S. soldier Staff Sergent Russell Massey, of Michigan, with 4th Platoon, G Company, 3rd Squadron 2nd Stryker Cavalry Regiment throws an incendiary grenade during a patrol in the neighbourhood of Muhalla 834 in Baghdad November 13, 2007. REUTERS/Stefano Rellandini

I'm not sure that this guy is going to throw it under his feet

Incendiary grenade
- Destruction of vehicles of all sorts (airplane, trucks, cars)
- Clearing out bunkers
- Destruction of ammo caches, weapons systems, shelters
- And minor smokescreen use (White phosphorous only) WP causes tons of white smoke
Another cool thing is they can burn through underwater sea mine
Can be thrown 25 meters by average soldier
This is not used to kill!

[SmoothIsFast6]

Now it is, after you removed "I would like to have my throwing arm back please".

lol

how bout just take inc damage on vehicles out since nobody likes it? if it's possible, maybe a little longer throw would be nice

...woah starting to remember the days we threw incendiary grenades, was fun :'(

why not? terry and berry taliban have 4 grenades each.....

[Psyko]

in fairness the lack of precision can be a bit irritating.

the question is, how would you REALLY destry a vehicle using one? would you sit it on top of the fuel tank?

[Mikemonster]

79. U.S. soldier Staff Sergent Russell Massey, of Michigan, with 4th Platoon, G Company, 3rd Squadron 2nd Stryker Cavalry Regiment throws an incendiary grenade during a patrol in the neighbourhood of Muhalla 834 in Baghdad November 13, 2007. REUTERS/Stefano Rellandini

I'm not sure that this guy is going to throw it under his feet

Incendiary grenade
- Destruction of vehicles of all sorts (airplane, trucks, cars)
- Clearing out bunkers
- Destruction of ammo caches, weapons systems, shelters
- And minor smokescreen use (White phosphorous only) WP causes tons of white smoke
Another cool thing is they can burn through underwater sea mine
Can be thrown 25 meters by average soldier
This is not used to kill!

And what do you think he's throwing it at? A cache or a tank.. (That's sarcastic, quite obviously he's setting something like a hut on fire, where all that is needed is a source of heat to ignite a combustible material).

Give us a video of soldiers throwing these over walls onto the intended target, or throwing them onto tanks/cars to destroy them.

If you do a search on YouTube you'll see, it's because of how they work.

[zloyrash]

youtube.. hah
why you think he cant throw it over the wall\fence? just cause there is no video on youtube?



here is info:

The AN-M14 TH3 incendiary hand grenade is used to destroy equipment. It can damage, immobilize, or destroy vehicles, weapons systems, shelters, or munitions. The grenade may also be used to start fires in areas containing flammable materials.
Capabilities -- can be thrown 25 meters by average soldier. A portion of the thermate mixture is converted to molten iron, which burns at 4,000 degrees Fahrenheit. It will fuze together the metallic parts of any object that it contacts. Thermate is an improved version of thermite, the incendiary agent used in hand grenades during World War II. The thermate filler of the AN-M14 grenade burns for 40 seconds and can burn through a 1/2-inch homogeneous steel plate. It produces its own oxygen and will burn under water.

The AN-M14 TH3 incendiary hand grenade is used to destroy equipment and start fires. It is used to damage, immobilize, or destroy vehicles, weapons systems, shelters, and ammunition. The M14 incendiary grenade is especially effective against flammable objects such as wooden structures. It is also used to create an immediate smoke cloud to conceal movement across a narrow open space such as a street. Its smoke is not toxic but can cause choking in heavy concentrations.

The AN-M14 incendiary grenade is an effective weapon against enemy armored vehicles when used in the close confines of combat in urban areas. It can be thrown or dropped from upper stories onto enemy vehicles.

Dont see any problems with increased thrown distance in game (6-10m).
Thats my opinion.

Or they should do this

Maybe the animation should be changed to one like when you plant a tripwire...and it would feel more realistic?

[Mikemonster]

youtube.. hah
why you think he cant throw it over the wall\fence? just cause there is no video on youtube?

..

I didn't research it for you because the burden of proof lies with you - you're the one claiming that in real life they throw these things.

In a PR context that would mean that in real life they throw them onto vehicles to destroy them, throw them onto weapons caches through windows to disable the weapons, and throw them at doors to open them (more of a BF2 limitation than an actual use in real life). Until you prove that these grenades are used for this (which I seriously doubt in each case), then you don't have a leg to stand on.

Quite clearly these are used by placing one or several carefully on a peice of kit (weaponry) that you want to destroy and then retiring to a safe distance to make sure the hardware is unuseable after.

The only reason you'd throw it is presumably to destroy a lightly armoured vehicle or to set something on fire (not used/applicable in PR). If you can prove beyond reasonable doubt (or common sense) that these are used to destroy crewed, moving vehicles then i'll believe you.

They may well be used to destroy things, but after the battle or during a retreat (I presume) to stop items being of use to the enemy. Aside from setting a building alight, which like I said doesn't apply to PR.

Do you see my point as to why we shouldn't be able to throw them?


PS. I agree the animation should be used from the tripwire if possible.

[ytman]

*point flies over head like the grenade in the picture*

Long story:

Its to prevent a bug that just can't be squashed from being exploited. This bug is the fact that incendiary grenades do high damage to vehicles which it simply should not due to dev intent and design.

Removing the ability to throw the grenade, which for the realm of PR is not necessary, allowed for every soldier to get a greater amount of the grenades without giving the infantry a significant and unrealistic anti-tank option.

Figure that the incendiary grenade has only a specific purpose in PR, destruction of deploy-able assets and caches, and that other aspects of the grenade (specifically the incendiary part) can't be replicated in this game engine... well it makes 100% sense.

[Murphy]

Twice of late I've been in an APC and had some guys drop incinds a good 10-15 feet from the apc yet somehow we caught on fire and blew up even tho we were clearly well out of dropping range. The bug is still there and with this dropping thing it just makes it that much more odd when they go off away from the vehicle but still remain deadly. You can test this yourself with very little effort.

[LongHairedHuman]

Twice of late I've been in an APC and had some guys drop incinds a good 10-15 feet from the apc yet somehow we caught on fire and blew up even tho we were clearly well out of dropping range. The bug is still there and with this dropping thing it just makes it that much more odd when they go off away from the vehicle but still remain deadly. You can test this yourself with very little effort.

How about giving it a bit more trown range, giving it a sticky property, and reduce its range and damage. It would simulate the thermite grenade being placed. Reducing its damage would be purely against vehicles, to give them a greater survivability.

[Rudd]

giving it a sticky property

translates to short range anti armour sticky bomb

[Conman51]

Until the Incendiary grenade does not kill armor any more i dont want them to be able to be thrown. If this was fixed, i wouldnt care either way if it was able to be thrown or not.


These things are still bugged to hell.


When they get dropped near by you can me like 10 meters away in a tank and you will still take damage.

[LanceVanceDance]

I agree with those who say these damn things are bugged heavily. You can kill a Humvee with one incindi most of the time, but it can take 2-3 to burn a POS little ammo techie if you're unlucky.

[Murphy]

Yes, they seem to be more effective against some vehicles while remaining mostly useless against others. Unfortunately I believe a fair bit of Russian APC/IFVs fall into the former category while almost every Insurgent vehicle falls into the latter, wish the were switched around.

[Mouthpiece]

Yes, they seem to be more effective against some vehicles while remaining mostly useless against others.

True. I burned a healthy T-90 in Vadso with 2 inc grenades a week ago (suits him right for rushing head on into infantry). But I'd be happy if 2 inc grenades would take out techy in the same manner they burned a fully armored tank.

[sylent/shooter]

see, the problem is that the incendiary grenade damages materials, as defined by the games coding/engine. This is speculation, but all deployable items, FOBS, mortars etc, use materials to define them as being player controlled, manipulated. This is also key for them taking damage.

Since they are technically a "vehicle" it would be hard to change the code so that actual "vehicles" have a different material than FOB's.

In short, if you want incendiary grenades then you'll have to deal with them being able to do damage to a vehicle, unless there is a work around that some amazing person can come up with xD

[LongHairedHuman]

translates to short range anti armour sticky bomb

I see your point. Do you think that a slower animation, and slowing the player down to scoped-in speed would compensate for that?

[SGT.Ice]

I see your point. Do you think that a slower animation, and slowing the player down to scoped-in speed would compensate for that?

Is that a really bad joke? We're not playing Dawn of War and you're not an Assault Space Marine with melta bombs bro.