Lone Humvees Going to Battle

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SnipeHunt
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Re: Lone Humvees Going to Battle

Post by SnipeHunt »

I have found the best way to describe the changes in tactics from PR to RL is that:

Real life tactics don't necessarily work in PR because in PR we can respawn, irl we can't.
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Re: Lone Humvees Going to Battle

Post by Brainlaag »

SnipeHunt wrote:Real life tactics don't necessarily work in PR because in PR we can respawn, irl we can't.
Worst reasoning ever, the are much further reaching issues than the spawnsystem ingame. Even if it were one death only (ala CS, etc.), 99% of the issues would prevail.
Cushing63
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Re: Lone Humvees Going to Battle

Post by Cushing63 »

The main reason we don't see cooperation in convoys is because people don't know how to play that way.

I saw a youtube video of a TEAM CONVOY. They decimated the insurgents on the Al Basrah map in short order. Thing of beauty. The commander sounded like an actual forward controller or had experience with it. I looked like a clan organized team. But it was awesome to see.

Armor softened up target, infantry setup defensive perimeter. infantry moved in on cache, destroyed cache and convoy moved on to next cache. AWESOME TO SEE.

Wish I could see more of that.
Maj.Osama
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Re: Lone Humvees Going to Battle

Post by Maj.Osama »

Stealthgato wrote:Bring TOW Humvess back pl0x.
+1

MEC in kashan have anti tank MTLB and US should have Tow humvess :D
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Re: Lone Humvees Going to Battle

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All this talk about realism. Aren't we supposed to have fun?. In my opinion convoys are fun to do...... rather impractical...but fun, and kinda bad-*** when it works :D .

I don't like when squad after squad picks up a humvee and go to there destination and just dumping it never to return to where they left it though. The same squad will ***** about 1 squad taking up 2 Humvees and patrolling with it instead of leaving it in the ditch. (of course the patrol should work as a shuttle for troops if its necessary)
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MEC in kashan have anti tank MTLB and US should have Tow humvess
agree.. i would like to see the return of many vehicles like the littlebird, but seems like it goes against the principle of the developers.... no offence.
Most of the time i play with people who have no clue what the name is of the vehicle they are driving though so i dont think they would spot the fact that the us army dosent use littlebirds for example
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Re: Lone Humvees Going to Battle

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Gracler wrote:Most of the time i play with people who have no clue what the name is of the vehicle they are driving though so i dont think they would spot the fact that the us army dosent use littlebirds for example
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Re: Lone Humvees Going to Battle

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I dunno who you are playing with, but 75% of my fellow players have been/are in military, so imagine that they WOULD see the difference. On the other hand, I would really love the return of TOW humvees. They were a lot of fun on Qwai River.
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Re: Lone Humvees Going to Battle

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The decline in players makes the new players stand out... so in random squads your going to find a lot of unaware players
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Re: Lone Humvees Going to Battle

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Cushing63 wrote:The main reason we don't see cooperation in convoys is because people don't know how to play that way.

I saw a youtube video of a TEAM CONVOY. They decimated the insurgents on the Al Basrah map in short order. Thing of beauty. The commander sounded like an actual forward controller or had experience with it. I looked like a clan organized team. But it was awesome to see.

Armor softened up target, infantry setup defensive perimeter. infantry moved in on cache, destroyed cache and convoy moved on to next cache. AWESOME TO SEE.

Wish I could see more of that.
Sounds like 0.7 days.

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The real problem with large convoys is the fact you can traverse most played maps in under 5 minutes.
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Re: Lone Humvees Going to Battle

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Gracler wrote: Most of the time i play with people who have no clue what the name is of the vehicle they are driving though so i dont think they would spot the fact that the us army dosent use littlebirds for example
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Re: Lone Humvees Going to Battle

Post by Mongolian_dude »

I believe he was referring to how the MH-6 is not used by the wider US Army, but is operated by the Army's 160th SOAR Regiment.


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Re: Lone Humvees Going to Battle

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[R-MOD]Mongolian_dude wrote:I believe he was referring to how the MH-6 is not used by the wider US Army, but is operated by the Army's 160th SOAR Regiment.


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To me it looks like he's saying the US Army doesn't use littlebirds.
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Re: Lone Humvees Going to Battle

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[R-MOD]Mongolian_dude wrote:I believe he was referring to how the MH-6 is not used by the wider US Army, but is operated by the Army's 160th SOAR Regiment.
They don't use them right now, but it is concievable for them to use it.
Just like they US is not at war with China, or Russia, but it is concievable for war to break out.

So the US army using a little bird is realistic, just like war with China/Russia is.
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Re: Lone Humvees Going to Battle

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CommunistComma wrote:They don't use them right now, but it is concievable for them to use it.
Just like they US is not at war with China, or Russia, but it is concievable for war to break out.

So the US army using a little bird is realistic, just like war with China/Russia is.
I was under the impression that they do use them.


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Re: Lone Humvees Going to Battle

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'[R-MOD wrote:Mongolian_dude;1803462']I was under the impression that they do use them.


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They do last I checked. Just not as much as they use to.
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Re: Lone Humvees Going to Battle

Post by Gracler »

Afaik the idea that PR has been going towards for the last many updates is to make the weapon and vehicles as close to the regular army factions and away from the special vehicles and units like the SOAR.

(something about binoculars being removed from grunts in 1.0 since it isnt part of standard equipment? but of-course the army has binoculars :p same idea with the littlebirds)

and by us army i did mean the regular us-army
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Re: Lone Humvees Going to Battle

Post by Stealthgato »

Is it that impossible for the SOAR to cooperate with the "regular" troops on a mission that there can't be a Little Bird on a U.S. Army map? Kinda wasting the asset...
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Re: Lone Humvees Going to Battle

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Stealthgato wrote:Is it that impossible for the SOAR to cooperate with the "regular" troops on a mission that there can't be a Little Bird on a U.S. Army map? Kinda wasting the asset...
Its not a matter of possible, more a matter of probable. Most troops will hitch rides in either Chinooks, Blackhawks, or Hueys. Little birds are meant for special situations because they don't serve the main line purpose of moving large numbers of troops or heavy cargo/supplies that is required of most of the army/marines.

Little birds carry 4 men on external platforms. Not exactly as useful as the Chinook that can carry half a platoon or a whole artillery piece or a small vehicle.

The point is broader teamwork over small unit heroics. I dont' agree with the way its always implemented, quite a bit actually lately, but overall the philosophy makes sense in this case. LBs, while fun, are pretty much a non entity for the majority of ground troops.
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Re: Lone Humvees Going to Battle

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PFunk wrote:Its not a matter of possible, more a matter of probable. Most troops will hitch rides in either Chinooks, Blackhawks, or Hueys. Little birds are meant for special situations because they don't serve the main line purpose of moving large numbers of troops or heavy cargo/supplies that is required of most of the army/marines.

Little birds carry 4 men on external platforms. Not exactly as useful as the Chinook that can carry half a platoon or a whole artillery piece or a small vehicle.

The point is broader teamwork over small unit heroics. I dont' agree with the way its always implemented, quite a bit actually lately, but overall the philosophy makes sense in this case. LBs, while fun, are pretty much a non entity for the majority of ground troops.
Thats my argument for it.
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Re: Lone Humvees Going to Battle

Post by Stealthgato »

I was referring to the armed version. Besides, there's situations that are not probable but happen in PR (Germany in all out war with Russia for example). If you can use your imagination for situations like these then the Little Birds could come in where the enemy was making an assault on key positions, the 160th was operating nearby and all available assets were mobilized to defend it, for example.
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