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Re: Improved Close Support Bridges #2

Posted: 2013-05-19 19:20
by Rudd
MineralWouter wrote:then explain to me for what you need time. example: bridge on shija valley.

1: you see bridge is destroyed
2: you go closer to the gap
3: place csb
4: move over

where is that not the fastest then moving around or finding other ways? Same goes for all gamemodes on all maps. The thing that was holding it back was it only carried one and that nobody dared using it at the risk of losing a logistics truck.
its very hard on shijia in particular to build CSBs because of their length, however for the british team in particular it can become necessary. The Amphibious nature of alot of Chinese assets give them some extra room to maneuver,

On maps like Basrah etc it's very easy to get bridges up, and that's good since a chief insurgent tactic ingame is to force blufor to use selected crossings that allow more effective IED use.

Re: Improved Close Support Bridges #2

Posted: 2013-05-19 19:33
by Onil
Not unless there are no more shallow water crossings as an option, which tends to make the CSB's useless on plenty of occasions. The maps already existed before the CSB's were added to the game and many of those maps still have enough options besides the obvious bridges and CSB locations.

Nice work nonetheless.

Re: Improved Close Support Bridges #2

Posted: 2013-05-19 20:13
by Rhino
sweedensniiperr wrote:Rhino's been busy today!
hehe, this work I did a week or so back, only been busy writing up highlights today, which I was planning on posting this on Friday/Saturday but didn't get round to it since I was finishing off my Rocket Buggy :D
BadMad wrote:Thought, you knew that this "sliding-bug" is because of "materials"..
Damn, I wanted to suggest you to change the mats of CSB to solve this problem,long time ago, but felt shy to tell so obvious thing.. :)
Glad, you solved this problem by yourself. ;)
We knew it was a material issue, we just didn't know what it was excatly. To be exact the problem was that the material was a "Type 1" Material instead of a "Type 0" when everyone was trying to change values like friction etc to fix it which just wasn't helping :p
Onil wrote:Not unless there are no more shallow water crossings as an option, which tends to make the CSB's useless on plenty of occasions. The maps already existed before the CSB's were added to the game and many of those maps still have enough options besides the obvious bridges and CSB locations.
Before CSBs you could repair bridges with the spanner/wrench. Although yes, many maps having fordable areas on rivers which can be used instead of a bridge/CSB, these fording locations can sometimes be very far away and also the enemy, if they blow up the bridges, know they only then need to camp them. So then you to deploy CSBs for alternative routes, possibly allowing you flank round the back of the enemy where they are not expecting you ;)

Re: Improved Close Support Bridges #2

Posted: 2013-05-19 23:37
by Brooklyn-Tech
Love it.

except for the front of truck deploying. think thats kind of meh, but nevertheless happy w/ this update

Re: Improved Close Support Bridges #2

Posted: 2013-05-20 00:38
by SGT.Ice
Seems that our CSBs are still missing the 4 inch wings on the left reference bridges though.

Re: Improved Close Support Bridges #2

Posted: 2013-05-20 00:46
by Pronck
So no Rover Gun Platform with a Mk-19 Rhino?

Re: Improved Close Support Bridges #2

Posted: 2013-05-20 02:54
by Rhino
SGT.Ice wrote:Seems that our CSBs are still missing the 4 inch wings on the left reference bridges though.
If your on about the side and central bits, as stated in the OP they are training aids that are not used in a combat situation, because each one has to be fitted on by hand, after the bridge has been deployed. As such, fitting them to a bridge in a combat scenario would be a massive waste of time, as well as a risk to the guys fitting these bits on.

Note in this ref you can see two guys lifting a central bit into position, as well as one guy securing one of the side bits:
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The reason why they where fitted on the above refs was because a, it wasn't a combat environment and b, the locals also needed to use the bridge and they are not trained to use them, as well as other ISAF forces.

Re: Improved Close Support Bridges #2

Posted: 2013-05-21 22:29
by CR8Z
Can't wait!

Re: Improved Close Support Bridges #2

Posted: 2013-05-23 03:33
by Psyko
Rhino i want to see your super secret new maps not CSB, i know you have one in the works, i want to see eeeeet!!!

Re: Improved Close Support Bridges #2

Posted: 2013-05-23 04:38
by Rhino
Psyko wrote:Rhino i want to see your super secret new maps not CSB, i know you have one in the works, i want to see eeeeet!!!
As I'm pretty sure I've said before to you, I'm not currently working on any new maps.

Re: Improved Close Support Bridges #2

Posted: 2013-05-23 06:07
by CR8Z
Will the bridge deploy whichever way you are looking, or just based on the view you are using? (I.e. forward or rear view.)

Re: Improved Close Support Bridges #2

Posted: 2013-05-23 07:35
by Rhino
CR8Z wrote:Will the bridge deploy whichever way you are looking, or just based on the view you are using? (I.e. forward or rear view.)
Its just based off a radius around the vehicle, from the centre of the vehicle.

Re: Improved Close Support Bridges #2

Posted: 2013-05-23 12:24
by Psyko
[R-DEV]Rhino wrote:As I'm pretty sure I've said before to you, I'm not currently working on any new maps.
what.......why not? thats what you do! your the big annoying map guy who bosses people around.........go make a map now Rhino like a good boy.

Re: Improved Close Support Bridges #2

Posted: 2013-05-23 15:47
by lordlexx
very nice this new Desert Camo. Nice job

Re: Improved Close Support Bridges #2

Posted: 2013-05-23 15:57
by Rudd
Psyko wrote:what.......why not? thats what you do! your the big annoying map guy who bosses people around.........go make a map now Rhino like a good boy.
The man is working flat out :P give him a break mate.

Re: Improved Close Support Bridges #2

Posted: 2013-05-23 17:55
by Psyko
[R-DEV]Rudd wrote:The man is working flat out :P give him a break mate.
aw im sorry, i didnt mean to hurt his feelings.

<3

Re: Improved Close Support Bridges #2

Posted: 2013-05-28 22:16
by FK Ye@h H@rDstyl3
I like the new, improoved CSBs, but the fact that we will be able to deploy them in fron of an Log. Truck i don't like

Re: Improved Close Support Bridges #2

Posted: 2013-05-29 08:14
by Rhino
FK Ye@h H@rDstyl3 wrote:I like the new, improoved CSBs, but the fact that we will be able to deploy them in fron of an Log. Truck i don't like
Its always been that way.

Adding a dedicated AVLB to each side wouldn't only just cost us valuable time and resources to make one for each faction, but we also do not have enough players ingame to take off the front line to put into bridge laying duties where having it as part of the Logi trucks, while yes unrealistic, means that logi truck drives have a grater importance than they did before, meaning players are more likley to run logistics as well as meaning we don't have to take any more off the front line to deploy the odd bridge you might need.

Its not even worth the extra textures of an AVLB you would need to load though having one too to be frank :p

Re: Improved Close Support Bridges #2

Posted: 2013-05-29 14:08
by =-=kittykiller
i for one would love a "craziest use of CSB" picture to show the new potential. For some reason i have never been able to do them right will they only deploy at preset points?

Re: Improved Close Support Bridges #2

Posted: 2013-05-29 14:13
by Rhino
=-=kittykiller wrote:i for one would love a "craziest use of CSB" picture to show the new potential. For some reason i have never been able to do them right will they only deploy at preset points?
Indeed they are only placeable at pre-set locations to 1, ensure that any placement can actually be used and it isn't floating up off the ground or not connecting to another section etc and 2, to stop players exploiting and using it in odd/strange ways.

Also might help to read this: https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f196-p ... s-csb.html
'[R-DEV wrote:Rhino;1364970']How To Deploy a Close Support Bridge (CSB)


Since our CSBs are going to deploy very differently from our other deployable objects I'm going to write a small tutorial here on how its done :)

First of all you will need to grab a Logistics Truck on a conventional forces team (Militia, Taliban and Insurgents don't count), the logistics truck being the truck with the canvas over the back, for the British its the MAN truck with the canvas over the back. You can also check your Truck can deploy bridges by scrolling though the weapons and checking it has a CSB in the selection list (default key: 4). Also note with the new selection list in the logistics trucks that we have also added a "Nothing Active" weapon in slot, this is basically a safe mode to make sure you dont drop crates while on the move. We have also moved the Supply Crates to the 2nd slot (default key: 2) and added the repair drop into the selection list (default key: 3):
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Once you have a Logistics Truck that can deploy a CSB, drive to a spot where you can deploy a CSB. You will be able to tell where a bridge can be deployed most of the time by a small dirt pile on the river bank or on the side of a ditch etc or in some cases there will be no dirt pile reference like when deploying a CSB over a broken part of bridge.
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Now backup your logistics truck up to the place you want to deploy your CSB so that the back is facing towards where it will be placed and get it as close as possible to make sure it deploys, deploy it too far away and it will not work and you will need to go back to base to reload your CSB again so don't be afraid to get out and check your close enough.
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Once you have backed up to where you want to deploy your CSB, select your CSB from your weapon list (default key: 4) and click the right mouse button (RMB) to deploy the bridge. You should hear the sound of hydraulics working but you will have no visual que for the CSB being deployed other than with the CSB "weapon" selected (default key: 4), you will see the "2" in the bottom right hand corner turn to a red "0".
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A few seconds later (can sometimes take as long as 10secs), if you have deployed your CSB correctly then you will see it appear in front of your eyes, and you will be able to drive happily over it :D
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For combination bridging, when spanning larger stretches of river you basically need to do the same things as when just placing down one bridge, but since you are deploying multiple sections you need to do it more than once.

First of all like before grab your logistics truck and drive to a location where the gap that needs to be bridged is large enough that it will take multiple CSBs to bridge and back your truck up to it like before.
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Deploy the bridge like before and you will then see the first section pop up into view like before, the only difference this time that the bridge dosen't meet the other end of the river.
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Now you have dropped your CSB you will need to Return to Base (RTB) and reload it at the vehicle supply and repair depo. Make sure that you fully reload the CSB before setting off by selecting the CSB in the weapon selection menu (default key: 4) and checking that it has "2" in the very bottom right of the screen. If it has a "0" or even a "1" it will not deploy a bridge.
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Once you have reloaded your CSB, head back to your bridging project and back up onto the completed section of bridge. This you may find a little tricky, espically since your reversing onto it so I would suggest you also check the driving tut below and also practice driving on forwards first. But to deploy the next section of bridge you need to back up onto the completed section. Use your rear mirror view (default key: F11 or C) and back up onto the bridge. You will most likley want to get out and check just before you hit the bridge that your wheels are in line with each side, if you get it wrong you will slip down the middle and die.
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Once you have backed up onto the bridge and your close to the end you can deploy your new CSB (you can be further away than I am in my last pic, I was a little too close :p )
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And now Mr Tanky can happily cross the bridge you have just completed :D
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How To Drive Over a Close Support Bridge (CSB)

Now I know most of you are going to laugh that I've put a tutorial on how to drive over a bridge but I'm going to laugh even harder at someone who didn't read this tutorial who ends up falling off one of these bridges and dies :mrgreen:

First of all I would suggest you first try driving over one of these in a tank, since a tank is the easiest vehicle to drive over one of these believe it or not, simply because these where designed mainly to take tanks in r/l and as a result are the same width as a tank and you have a lot of space to play with, as well as with your driver view being in the very centre of the tank you can easily tell how far off to the left or right you are and how much you need to adjust, but this still dosen't mean you should go over one of these bridges like a bull in a china shop.

First of all drive upto the head of the bridge and line yourself up with the bridge, for your first few times you will probably want to get out and check just to make sure your all good but once you have got the hang of it you wont need to leave the protection of your tank :D
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Once you have lined yourself up, drive over it slowly, in real life if you drive over these bridges too fast your track can kick out the bridge from under you, although this dosen't happen in game its still a good idea to do so, and just continue strait to the end, making as few adjustments as possible and any adjustments you do make, make very small ones.
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Now that was the easy tank, the smaller the vehicle you go the harder it gets because there is very little room for error when driving over these. I'm really not at all surprised when a few months back when a Flood in Workington (NE England) destroyed a bridge and the Royal Engineers where sent in to build a replacement bridge to temporarily reconnect the town, why they didn't opt for these Close Support Bridges (CSB) and only built a foot bridge, because if they did we would have seen car after car falling into the river, but the News Reports didn't seem to get that point :p
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Any ways, like with the tank before, first line your front up with the bridge, since on the landrover your sitting far on the right side, you will have yo really compensate your view to get both wheels onto the bridge and you will really need to learn where abouts your wheels are on every vehicle if you want to get over these bridges quickly without checking and making adjustments.
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Once on, keep driving strait and slow like the on the tank.
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If you mess it up, this is what happens and you loose a vehicle and a bunch of tickets, + maybe a few men (note: I messed it up on purpose :p ).
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