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"CAS doesn't win a game"

Here's an experiment, pit 2 factions against one another
give one faction an A10.

See what happens

CAS is not a big deal to me at all. Yes of course it is nice if the CAS is skilled and comes in and saves the day..... but CAS has many limitations that ground units don't have.

CAS can not defend.... they can only shoot and run, and without intel CAS only engage and stay alive if they are lucky.
It is a so called Glass cannon, but with any other type of games some players just can't get enough of that power and want to have it no-matter what.



The ongoing abuse that is aimed at cas has only lead to this out-come:

You have the veterans that refuse to play infantry, that just create that split second squad on the create-squad timer, and then you have the "I don't give a shit, I play it BF3 style" pilots.

Funny thing is that these 2 categories are the ones fighting each-other ALL the time in team-chat etc. It is annoying and both parties should be kicked in my opinion for disrupting game-play.

The players that can play all aspects of the game and are not egocentric would be much more enjoyable to have flying the sky's even if it doesn't mean they get 100 kills with each aircraft.
But i'm pretty sure those players have enough sense to skip the BS that is bound to flow there way by using a specific asset so they leave the dead carcass to the hyenas to handle.




In my opinion CAS should not be claimable for the simple fact that 1 or 2 people should not be able to monopolize very limited assets round after round. Only requirement should be that you know how to fly so you don't crash. We need more "regular" players to have a go in the sky instead of Chuck Norris vs Austin Powers.

I hope you realize the claiming assets isn't a dev decision. its a server decision. and I seriously doubt you'll be able to change the minds of the servers that do this

Bluedrake42 wrote:I hope you realize the claiming assets isn't a dev decision. its a server decision. and I seriously doubt you'll be able to change the minds of the servers that do this

yea I don't think it will ever happen.... it is just a dream of mine

However iv'e noticed servers that states that you cannot claim the same type of asset 2 rounds in a row....that is a start.

Because infantry is too difficult to play for some...(obviously not true)

I've always been an adept of the "walk before you run" mentality. If you suck while playing as infantry, learn how to do it properly, then you move on to assets. It pains me to see a guy that flies like he's Ricardo Traven, but can't hit the broad side of a barn from inside the barn with a rifle.

Vi reason why there is drama about CAS is that there are just 1 or 2 assets of that kind. If people don't get a tank they just go for APC and vice versa because they are the same things just with different firepower. If 2 different groups want APC they just share them because there are many, while if people don't get CAS then bye bye because there are no other vehicles of that kind.

By the way, there are many kinds of "CAS whor*s". Some of them take CAS every time it's available, and some only take CAS on their favorite maps. Some accept the fact that someone else got the squad, and some whine about it for the rest of the round. The worst kind of people are those who only make a CAS squad so other "CAS whor*s" won't get it.

sweedensniiperr wrote: I rarely, and I mean really rarely do I see CAS pretty much single-handily winning a game.

what? guess you never played burning sands, kashan desert, or iron eagle

I rarely, and I mean really rarely do I see CAS pretty much single-handily winning a game.

Guess you just never played pr apparently

CAS is part of PR like infantry is or armor, why do people make such a big deal of people playing CAS? there is no one getting mad at people playing too much infantry is there?

Whoever uses the argument "CAS-Whore" is fucking stupid. Its like...

Do infantry, you're a infantry whore.
Do armor, you're a armor whore.
Do CAS, you're a CAS whore.

How do you win that argument.

CAS is a big deal because in maps that have CAS it is the most important way to neutralize enemy CAS and support the friendly team. Same way that the more experienced infantry players whine at their team being bad more experienced CAS pilots are frustrated at the inexperienced pilots. And unlike infantry, there's a limited amount of helicopters/jets.

Quite an obvious answer, what's the real point of this thread?

Everyone has a right to take any asset they want as long as they follow the rules to the server they are in. What I see a lot are people that think that because they are "better" pilots, this somehow gives them the right to take the chopper before anyone else. To these people, grow up, it is a game made for everyone to have fun and not for immature players to rage at people that are not up to your standards of "epicness".

Excuse me while I bring in a 15,000 lbs elephant into the room.

Imo, it's because those pilots have a sense of entitlement. Some who are well known to other players will whine incessantly if they believe they have a 'right' to the asset. The lesser known pilot players have less standing and will be scrutinized more. The former remind me of jocks in high school who let it be known they have a big **** and that their dad is CEO or a Karate expert and they will lay claim to everything around them. "Of course it's mine, why wouldn't it be?!?"

In the end you have less people who fly these days because if you fuck up flying you will be highly scrutinized. Not to mention the tank squads who trash 6-8 tanks per game and no where near the outrage towards them as the pilots.

DDS wrote:Not to mention the tank squads who trash 6-8 tanks per game and no where near the outrage towards them as the pilots.

It's a lot easier to connect the idea of losing 20 tickets with watching a burning chunk of metal fall from the sky than it is to hear a distant explosion.

DDS wrote:Excuse me while I bring in a 15,000 lbs elephant into the room.

Imo, it's because those pilots have a sense of entitlement. Some who are well known to other players will whine incessantly if they believe they have a 'right' to the asset. The lesser known pilot players have less standing and will be scrutinized more. The former remind me of jocks in high school who let it be known they have a big **** and that their dad is CEO or a Karate expert and they will lay claim to everything around them. "Of course it's mine, why wouldn't it be?!?"

In the end you have less people who fly these days because if you fuck up flying you will be highly scrutinized. Not to mention the tank squads who trash 6-8 tanks per game and no where near the outrage towards them as the pilots.

thats also what im talking about......!!!

Those L33t players have to stop using there elbows to get ahead of everyone else. Seems more like they are afraid of competition. Both from other team-members wanting to have a go at it, and enemy firepower. You can't learn the real deal on a freaking CO-OP mission... you need real cunning enemy's to learn what NOT to do. The L33t players not only get in there way, they also have to insult them while they try to improve.

nAyo wrote:Guess you just never played pr apparently

CAS is part of PR like infantry is or armor, why do people make such a big deal of people playing CAS? there is no one getting mad at people playing too much infantry is there?

Probably cause it's the reason for the most problems. Early squads, asset stealing,asset wasting,'whoring'-issue,...

It's usually the most discussed issue on chat and outside of the game. That's probably why alex is wondering 'why?'. Which is actually a fair point. It's not over overpowered, it doesn't do more damage then other assets/weaponary, it's not exactly special.

If you want my answer, I think personally it's only because it's the most limited asset in game. it's not on all maps, it's doesn't spawn regularly and it's probably the hardest to master.

Viiruselii, nayo and superhornet. U guys are known CAS whores. And I am a known Infantry Whore who hates Snipers.

I quite enjoy having good CAS. But I hate having to deal with people creating arguments over semantics of who made the squad first and who lost the asset in a "retarded" way.

If I could control it, or easily program it. I would only allow certain players the CAS asset, as it does make the rounds quite bad if the enemy cas is good.

[R-CON]Wicca wrote:Viiruselii, nayo and superhornet. U guys are known CAS whores. And I am a known Infantry Whore who hates Snipers.

I quite enjoy having good CAS. But I hate having to deal with people creating arguments over semantics of who made the squad first and who lost the asset in a "retarded" way.

If I could control it, or easily program it. I would only allow certain players the CAS asset, as it does make the rounds quite bad if the enemy cas is good.

He is right.
A good CAS on only 1 team can be a game breaker. I prefer medium skilled CAS, carefull but eager to attack lazes and work with the INF.

And I am angry everytime I see the first 5 squads being CAS squads. Usually none of those is the best choice to fly CAS.

SuperHornet wrote:Whoever uses the argument "CAS-Whore" is fucking stupid. Its like...

Do infantry, you're a infantry whore.
Do armor, you're a armor whore.
Do CAS, you're a CAS whore.

How do you win that argument.

When you see people like Viirus, Felixtugzilla, stemplus and others just join a server and claim the CAS squad everytime, see them switch servers once a map switches to a CAS map and they all join, or like for example when they die with the CAS on one team and teamswitch and take the CAS on the other team, im pretty sure you can call them all cas whores.. The only time they do not do CAS is if it's on a non CAS map and a cas map is next up. I never see them let other people do CAS at all really.

And when it's that bad when people dont even have manners to obey the asset squad rule which is pretty much a standard on all 0.98 servers now, but not in 1.0 sadly and see some of these guys join up after our CAS squad is created several minutes before they join, ( and for once I never rarely do CAS maybe have done it a total of 5 times) and make the squad "SQ1 is fake" which was our CAS squad, and later waiting for CAS to spawn at 50 on black gold, we let Viirus have the havok after asking, but a squad mate told him him and another guy was going to grab the 2 seat jet, ( I was spotter) and still viirus mates and squad members grabbed the 2 seat jet right as it spawned and started taking off.. Sadly my squad mate teamkilled them while taking off without my knowledge of intending to do so, but obviously this pissed him of a whole lot aswell as others, and was a pure douchebaggery move and you can probably or hopefully maybe understand now why everyone calls these guys cas whores and dislikes them.

Thats my argument..

viirusiiseli wrote:CAS is a big deal because in maps that have CAS it is the most important way to neutralize enemy CAS and support the friendly team.

What about maps with armour and no CAS then? They will have exactly the same role then. Taking out enemy armour, supporting the team..

viirusiiseli wrote:And unlike infantry, there's a limited amount of helicopters/jets.

As said a few times I think this is the best reason for people to want to fly CAS. It's not on all maps and on those maps they're very few.

But that doesn't mean there have to be so much bickering about it.