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Yep noted cheers

Btw, I'm also planning to buy a USB 3.0 powered monitor for college.

Essentially it's just a monitor that doesn't requires a powercord, only one single USB 3.0 cord.
This guy hooked up 7 monitors to one computer!

You'll have to compensate for the size though, the maximum size I found is 22 inch. Also don't overkill like this guy, as it might get laggy.
7 Monitors on Windows 7 with USB 3.0 - YouTube

AnandTech | NVIDIA Announces GeForce GTX 780/770 Price Cuts; GTX 780 Ti Launch Date & Price

wait a week, pricecuts announced for 770 (edit: here in Belgium/Netherlands pricecuts have already been applied. About -20% to -30% here on 770,probably buying one now myself soon.)

(thx Desmo for sharing the link btw)

'[R-CON wrote:Mineral;1960270'](thx Desmo for sharing the link btw)

You're welcome. Thanks for the credit.
Just passing it forward really as it was posted by a friend of mine on another forum.

And like I said, it's a great time of the year to buy for people looking at high end graphics cards!

Yeeeeah!!! Nvidia press release announced GTX 770s will be dropped to 329 $ ! ! !

Some online stores already applied new prices, some not yet!! Check it! I would definitely go for MSI N770 Lightning ! ! UBER clocks, 1150MHz, Boost: 1202MHz o_O Memory 1752MHz, 256bit, 224GB/s, Shader-units/TMUs/ROPs: 1536/128/32 - 3533GFLOPS (Single), 147GFLOPS (Double), 9.84W on idle! (measured!)

MSI GTX 770 OC Lightning - The GeForce GTX 770 Review: Calling In A Hit On Radeon HD 7970?

MSI GeForce GTX 770 Lightning review - Article


in german shop availible for ~ 320 € already.


Hopefully price will drop here too...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6814127742

the lightning here is about 50€ more expensive, mostly gives your 2 to 5 extra fps and consumes more power. Really not worth the money for me. I'm buying the normal one

MSI GeForce GTX 770 Gaming review - Conclusion

Bumpy, looks like Star Citizen's dogfight module might be coming out soon, which was the purpose of this topic a few months back when it looked like it might be coming out in December last year

OP still applies so if anyone has any suggestions post below, cheers!

Bump up to a single GTX770 and you'll be retired from gaming by the time your future SLI GTX 770's kick the bucket.

same ebuyer, just a reference point to start your search:
MSI GTX 770 GAMING LE 2GB GDDR5 Dual DVI HDMI.. | Ebuyer.com

Edit: MSi has some funky terminology for their 770 lineup. Make sure you read up on that. The 770 Gaming LE is a binned GPU. IDK if it will matter.

Edit 2: If you can wait, get a 4GB GPU, Roberts has mentioned that VRAM will be an issue .

Cheers

[R-COM]LITOralis.nMd wrote:Edit 2: If you can wait, get a 4GB GPU, Roberts has mentioned that VRAM will be an issue .

What would waiting achieve? looks like there are a few 770s with 4GBs of RAM?

MSI GTX 770 GAMING 4GB GDDR5 Dual DVI HDMI DisplayPort.. | Ebuyer.com

This Gigabyte one also has a pretty good discount?
Gigabyte GTX 770 OC 4GB GDDR5 Dual-DVI HDMI.. | Ebuyer.com

I can't personally say much about the MSI GTX cards.

on the The Gigabyte , I have the Gigabyte GTX 670 Windforce 2GB, with same cooler, and the card is superb, extremely extremely quiet. I've had it OC'ed +100 mem clock +100 core clock since the first week I bought it in late 2012 and it's been rock steady and dead quiet when non-gaming and barely audible when gaming.

At the OC it is beating a stock reference design GTX 680 in synthetic benchmarks. (670 has less pipelines but the clock boost makes up for it)
for reference on the GTX 600 series: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Giga ... ce/31.html

I was referring to waiting for the bank account to afford a 4GB card. Or buy it today if you have the cash. Your original choice was 200 Pounds at the time.

And finally, if you plan to game with a 1080p monitor the GTX770 is going to perform pretty close to optimal cost/benefit ratio. The GTX 770 is a refined GTX 680 (literally). The GTX 780 uses the Titan chipset which is a totally different GPU. Simply overclocking a GTX 770 (even heavily) will not get you 780 performance.

So without putting cash down to make the huge jump from the 680/770 to the 780/780ti/Titan , the 770 is the way to go.

I'm not trying to spend your hard earned money... there aren't that many options in the NVidia family, a 680 4GBor 770 4GB will last a very long time I believe.

IF Roberts properly supports SLI, later on picking up another 680 or 770 will keep you happy at 1080p for the first several years of Star Citizen.

Cheers, is it worth considering a 780 at all? Looks like the top 780s have only a max of 3gbs?

Money isn't a problem just I want to get the best value for money and something that's going to last a few years so if the 780 is worth it over the 770 I may consider it, but ye, is the 3gb an issue on a 780?

We just don't know.

Not many games are going to use the full 3GB, but if you do a 1440p 120Hz monitor, or 3x 1080p multimonitor setup, the VRAM will be precious.

[R-DEV]Rhino wrote:Cheers, is it worth considering a 780 at all? Looks like the top 780s have only a max of 3gbs?

Money isn't a problem just I want to get the best value for money and something that's going to last a few years so if the 780 is worth it over the 770 I may consider it, but ye, is the 3gb an issue on a 780?

If I may ask, what's your budget now Rhino?

You're in luck. EVGA just released a 6 GB version. Don't get me wrong. I love the GK110 and the performance associated with it. I do have four GTX780 cards after all in two different SLI machines. The performance is outstanding.

However, I have a hard time recommending just one 6 GB 780 card since there are few situations you'll actually be using that much VRAM. 3 or 4 cards? Yes. It would make sense if you're driving a 4k display or even a 2560x1440 120 hz monitor with high levels of anti-aliasing. One card though? Excellent performance at 1080p with everything maxed.

Lito is correct in that we just don't know. I mean I could post my video of me running around my Business hangar with a 325A and a Hornet Ghost in it to prove that SLI 780s never dip below 70 FPS (90 FPS avg) on Very High settings. Very playable, but will the Dog Fighting Module (a.k.a. Arena Commander) enjoy the same performance?

Taking a closer look at the Gigabyte GTX 770 OC 4GB GDDR5 I see that it has PCI-E 3.0 where my mobo only has PCIe 2.0 x16, is that going to be a problem and if it will work on my mobo, will there be any negative effects from it running in the old 2.0?

DesmoLocke wrote:If I may ask, what's your budget now Rhino?

No budget per se, as per the OP really want the cheapest card that's going to deliver me the best value for money in the short and long term.

Cheers

PCI-E 3.0 vs PCIe 2.0 , not a problem for the GTX 770s.

PCIe 2.0 x16 = PCIe 3.0 x8

Only the Titan, GTX 780ti and on rare occasion the GTX780 when in SLI, can max out the PCIe 2.0 lanes. And that's mostly running 100% in synthetic benchmarks.

[R-DEV]Rhino wrote:No budget per se, as per the OP really want the cheapest card that's going to deliver me the best value for money in the short and long term.

Cheers

If that's the case, you would see a nice performance improvement for if you look at the GTX 780 on eBuyer.

Cheapest one right now is a Zotac model for ?342.47.

'[R-COM wrote:LITOralis.nMd;2006589'][...] Not many games are going to use the full 3GB...

- BATTLEFIELD 4 already stated BEFORE release it RECOMMENDS 3 GB VRAM...

So I am still wondering if my next GPU (planning on a Gainward GTX 770 Phantom sometime this year) should go with 2 GB VRAM or the ~ 40 bucks more expensive (320 Euro atm.) 4 GB VRAM edition, since future games may also use more VRAM... (highly probably IMO ! ! !)

Guess I will get the 4 GB one...


- LOL @ Rhino's mobo, it is even Quad-GPU SLI compatible, omfg... NICE!!


- Ever thought of going DUAL SLI ?? Might be BEST bang for the buck solution for you right now!!!

- But KEEP in mind the power consumation, your PSU "only" delivers 850 W, and I do not know right now what a DUAL SLI setup requires... But I am quite sure (seen sth. on internet) in 2014 there are existing 1200 W PSUs... o_O lol


- I've also read somewhere that PCIe 2.0 vs. 3.0 will only in WORST case make you lose 5-10 fps less MAXIMUM (if not only 2-3 fps).


- Why not go for the newer 780 Ti, which has 576 streamprocessors more than the 780 ? (Btw 780 Ti beats Titan aswell, not Titan Black though... )


- AND Rhino, how much is noise an issue, when playing PR or any "stealth"-game, you don't want to hear your GPU(s), right? Ever thought about water-cooling? (Might be a very good solution for you if money not issue atm. and long-term cooling, you know? Tell me, what do you think about it?)


- Would you want to do a DUAL GTX 770 or even DUAL GTX 780 Ti SLI set-up maybe? (Your Mobo and CPU should definitely not be an issue, UNLESS the i7 2600K will be needed to be overclocked and thus might require water-cooling aswell? )


- OR wait for the Titan Z (DUAL GPU) to release, and you'll be ready for anything for the rest of ur life...


After all, Rhino, watch those three short videos below (spoiler), in BEST sound (loud volume, AND make sure u use your sound-feature "DTS Surround Sensation UltraPC " it is virtual 5.1 sound-quality, plus a Bass enhancement feature! I also have an ASUS P8P67 mobo, same feature! See this pic on how to enable, and my preferred settings: http://s30.postimg.org/hu5ubk3pt/DTS_Win7.png )

So ye, still haven't got a new GFX Card yet, but thinking I might get one over the next few days but still not made up my mind

Main thing I'm wondering right now is, is there any new GFX Cards coming out just around the corner that it might be worth waiting a bit longer for, either to get them directly or so the older ones drop a bit more in price? If not, any changes in recommendations from before or all still the same?

Cheers

Daniel wrote:- LOL @ Rhino's mobo, it is even Quad-GPU SLI compatible, omfg... NICE!!

I've found that if you get a pretty bog standard mobo, not only dose it in some cases hold back many of the compoents plugged into it, but you will find yourself needing to upgrade it in next to no time so w/e I get a new mobo and CPU, I get the best available and find that not only dose it pay off in the long run without needing to upgrade, but also the performance increase a good mobo can bring alone is worth it.

Daniel wrote:- Ever thought of going DUAL SLI ?? Might be BEST bang for the buck solution for you right now!!!

My main concern is getting a DirectX 11 GFX Card since MY DX9/10 doesn't run the latest games, even thou I have no fps issues with any of the games I play

If there is a good SLI Deal that offers DX11 and good FPS for a low price, let me know and I'll consider it.

Daniel wrote:- AND Rhino, how much is noise an issue, when playing PR or any "stealth"-game, you don't want to hear your GPU(s), right? Ever thought about water-cooling? (Might be a very good solution for you if money not issue atm. and long-term cooling, you know? Tell me, what do you think about it?)

My CPU is semi-water cooled but I'm not going to go all in with water cooling, especially since my PSU fan is hardly ever on either. At the end of the day you still have fans with water cooling, just less of them

Given that microsoft hasn't said a single thing on DirectX 12 at E3 means it's not gonna be that good IMO. Otherwise they would have bragged about it. Probably just like mantle. That or they just started working on it meaning it's not coming this year. Also it will be 'backwards' compatible with most current cards for Nvidea.

DirectX 12: A Major Stride for Gaming | NVIDIA Blog

I still say go 770 or 780 'Cheap' and you get so much out of it.

cool cheers but ye, when I said DX12 I meant DX11 hehe