Using Trans Helicopters as CAS.

[Darman1138]

If it's a minigun and if it's accurate to real life, that thing should be accurate as all hell and do a ton of damage.

Anyone know if any of the choppers have a MK19? Just curious.

[timtherifleman]

No.
I hardly trust any of the trans pilots anyways and have seen an increase in pilots doing some stupid stuff with the trans choppers lately. Last thing we need is a tactical elite pilot and his gunner flying over a cash location thinking they are providing great support only to get shot down and then the rest of the inf has to walk or hitch hike a ride there.

[Maj.Osama]

for me if i was a pilot ,the door gunners job would be suppression the landing zone from hostiles and if needed targeting them while taking off and RTB .

the reason using it as CAS for your teammates is wrong , because there is so many things that can take you down in a sec. , and leave your team without a trans. for a 15 min (or whatever the time is ).

so the question remain does it worth it .. it all depends on the map , the tickets level and the risk of it
which all can be determine by the Admins of the server .

[Eddie Baker]

If it's a minigun and if it's accurate to real life, that thing should be accurate as all hell and do a ton of damage.

Anyone know if any of the choppers have a MK19? Just curious.

No. The US does not use a door or ramp mount for the Mk-19 on any of its helicopters. I have only heard of Colombia trying it on their Bell 212s.

[matty1053]

It seems like

If you know how to fly, your CAS
If you don't , your trans.

[Element-X_IV]

I don't mind but I think it depends on the type of weapon the helicopter has to provide support with though, imo there are some weapons such as the minigun that are better suited to provide fire support compared to most other door mounted weapons without risking too much of the helicopter's survival, otherwise it would just probably be a waste of time and even a helicopter.

I also don't think transports should act as CAS when the team only has <2 FOBs near an objective as their loss could be problematic for the team. Transportation and Supply should still be 1st priority.

[Sgt.BountyOrig]

Should you? No.
Can you? Well..

In desperate times, you can imagine a bullet-churning gun platform flying several hundred meters above ground with it's crew impervious to attack can be a force to reckon with. The splash can be very helpful vs. garrisoned combatants, or light vehicles.

But hopefully your team plays well enough not to use team assets in such a reckless manner.

[nater]

When I'm an insurgent, I only hope the blackhawk tries this **** on me, a large black object turned with it's side right to me? Give me a techie and I will ruin his day.

[Rudd]

I would also make the point that during a landing/pickup/resupply, the ability to thrown down a significant amount of bullets at threats does increase helo surviability, you're in the threat zone anyway (intentionally or unintentionally) so being able to engage enemies en route/while aborting is rather useful; particularly for the USMC where they have to do multiple sorties to create FOBs etc.

[matty1053]

I would also make the point that during a landing/pickup/resupply, the ability to thrown down a significant amount of bullets at threats does increase helo surviability, you're in the threat zone anyway (intentionally or unintentionally) so being able to engage enemies en route/while aborting is rather useful; particularly for the USMC where they have to do multiple sorties to create FOBs etc.

Of course.

But I am speaking of like the blackhawk or w/e flying in a oval around the same area.

Example....

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So, the blackhawk would do the path around the cache firing on the cache as "CAS".

[Brainlaag]

So, the blackhawk would do the path around the cache firing on the cache as "CAS".

And then a techy pulls up, or an RPG hits the black hawk and your team loses precious transport, 12-13 tickets and supplies.

The risk-gain ration does not validate the tactic in any form.

[FLAP_BRBGOING2MOON]

i have found out that its really easy to do out of a cow, or blackhawk. there are some maps (pavlovsk, yamalia) where you can cripple their team by rushing a cas cow with 3 dismounts to the enemy first flag.
on insurgency you can c4 bomb, multiple rounds of 60+ door gunner kills with a cache kill for the trans squad wasn't unheard of.

[Rudd]

Of course.

But I am speaking of like the blackhawk or w/e flying in a oval around the same area.

Example....

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So, the blackhawk would do the path around the cache firing on the cache as "CAS".

yeah, a primarily transport vehicle entering the most intense part of the battlfield wouldn't be the best idea an insurgent team that has kept at least 2 50cals up is bad enough, if you have a AA kit...lots of dead helicopters.

[chrisweb89]

yeah, a primarily transport vehicle entering the most intense part of the battlfield wouldn't be the best idea an insurgent team that has kept at least 2 50cals up is bad enough, if you have a AA kit...lots of dead helicopters.

That's the whole point though, you don't go to the most intense area, unless its been weakened. If their AA/techies are up you can patrol the flanks of the map for stragglers/ambushers, or you can circle farther off the cache trading accuracy and kills, for survival. If you've circles the cache from far away, and not taken fire you can take an educated guess if its semi safe to move closer. It is a risky tactic but if done properly it can get kills/suppress with minimal risk.

[matty1053]

That's the whole point though, you don't go to the most intense area, unless its been weakened. If their AA/techies are up you can patrol the flanks of the map for stragglers/ambushers, or you can circle farther off the cache trading accuracy and kills, for survival. If you've circles the cache from far away, and not taken fire you can take an educated guess if its semi safe to move closer. It is a risky tactic but if done properly it can get kills/suppress with minimal risk.

Well, in my point of view, it seems like PR is all about Kills now.


So, most of the time, trans squads have like 6-8 guys in it.

So each BH gets a gunner.

What about the squad(s) that need extract/insertation? Only like 6 guys can fit in the blackhawk. If the whole full squad needs a extract. The gunners would have to get out, most of the time the pilot defends the gunners, so only limited men can get in the chopper.

[lukeviper248]

What everyone is forgetting here is speed and skill, the trans chopper can be a great cas asset, but you must, repeat must STAY FAST AND LOW the majority of trans casualties are caused because the pilot does not know how to fly fast and low, if you use proper communication and proper teamwork, the gunner can destroy a heavy insurg implacement or suppress a techie,

[risegold8929]

It seems like

If you know how to fly, your CAS
If you don't , your trans.

No.

Two different styles of flying. CAS usually flies high and slow (and sometimes fast) and glides just into firing range to minimise the possibility of getting raped by AA (from what I have seen, and experienced, although I admit haven't flown in CAS for awhile) since all other tactics are too "risky."

Trans pilots flies low and fast, it's so exhilarating compared to CAS, flying between trees, blasting through canyons, zooming over enemies (rarely, but still), fast stops, some risky landings/hover drops and quick take-off's in unpredictable locations, usually amongst or behind enemy positions.

Saying Trans pilots are lesser to CAS pilots is so wrong. They are different styles and personally piloting trans is a lot more fun (especially when trying to dodge that CAS helo's gunner on yo *** )


Anyway, I remember good games on Kokan in 0.973 where the Blackhawk would fly in circles around the cache firing at and the Taliban can't see **** because of the PR Suppression effects and then INF just simply ran up and took the cache down with ease. But I must mention that the pilots only did this when the area looked safe, and most of the techies were known to be down and they flared like hellz at the first sign of an AA kit.

[CR8Z]

I don't know about you guys, but I've played countless rounds of PR. I have won and lost the same amount.

To me, it's not always about winning and losing, but how you play the game, and I like having fun when I'm gaming.

If I'm running a TRANS squad, or I just join a server, and the TRANS squad is the only one available, and if there are no proper TRANS jobs, then flying TRANS CAS is fun, and I will do it every single time.

If calls for supplies or transport pop up, we'll respond to them, but otherwise, we're gonna' do our thing.

[dysin]

yamalia inf is about the only time i'll run a trans in a cas role. spotting fob's and vehicles, chasing down enemy trans, working exposed inf in the grasslands, 4 guns in orbit protecting a drop or supply run- that map, it works. other maps, it's too much of a waste to justify.

[Rudd]

spotting

yeah on the 4k maps in particular and perhaps with the FLIR trans choppers, this can be pretty awesome