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.9-.98 was perfection? Hell naw. I still miss the specops kit, pre .75 was the shit imo.

973 - 981 was just perfect

I began with 0.973 and can say, that overall the game developed into a very positive direction!
Some negatives but more positives

My theory is that the 100p servers overstress the small community.
https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f18-pr ... stion.html

Spook wrote:Same here. After so many years I guess its normal. I try but connot deny the fact that all of this started with 1.0. After that everything went down the hill. I still play now and then but rarely I finish a round. I just get frustrated within first 15mins and rage quit because usually gameplay is shit nowadays. Not much server variety left due to the 100p servers, and from those that are still up NEW is the only server worth playing. Every other server lost tremendous amounts of quality compared to a year ago, its not even funny.

"Clans" lost most of their people. NwA, SRF, QRF, KIA, ODS (rarely see you guys filling a squad), Heroes, TP, FH, ITW/PR.IT, IDF, WST, 3dac (still pretty active, but has seen better times). All of them had like between 15-40 active people each, 1-2 years ago. Now some of them are basically non-existent anymore and you are lucky If you catch a member ingame. All of them were really good guys.

Imo main reason are the main 1.0 gameplay changes. They were adapted to make it more public-friendly and killed the roots of the community. Just as alot of people predicted before the release. You are more effctive playing alone or with 2 or max 3 guys now. I personally stopped playing in big organized squads regulary a couple of months after 1.0 release. Nowadays I often join a server, search for a trans squad, get in, grab an engi or breacher and go FOB and noob hunting. Thats the only thing left to do to have some kind of adrenalin kick. Or I do CAS or fly trans. I never did CAS pre 1.0, because INF was too awesome.

All of my fellow veteran friends from other clans without exceptions share my opinion. Right now its almost only publics holding PR together. Exactly what 1.0 tried to accomplish. Whether its stable or not seems to not be of any interest.

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I think the post just speaks that you are a bit tired of putting in effort. I know it because sometimes it is the same with me. But you could also open a squad and lead a public squad which works 90% of the time, for me.
Saying that gameplay is shit and then going solo is really not helping at all I think.

Your post just shows me that you miss that big organised Clan squads could steamroll a public server. That might be true and I am happy that this is gone.
This superior feeling of clans is fading because as you yourself pointed out that a mediocre organised public squad can easily hand it to the clan squads with now mumble integration and no need for an own TS.
Clans just need to find a new identity. From closed group that dominate a server to something else.

Maybe not a closed environment but more like a community for all. Similar to what PRTA is trying to do, I like that.
I hate that Clan vs. public player talk. A public player is just the same without a tag now, with mumble integration. Clans should be more open and not feel threatened by public players who dont need a Clan anymore in my opinion.

I'd wish for Clans to play together obviously but leaving out that superion feeling. Always locking squads and dictating other squads around without even being CO.
I've yet to see that a Clan squad is holding a team together and not dividing it by most of the time doing specops missions or attacking (your adrenaline point I suppose) when it is obvious that defending is what needed.

Public squads hold together gameplay not clans in my opinion.


I also disagree with your server rating. I have my best rounds on Merk or PRTA but I try to avoid NEW.

But dont get me wrong. We need clans and groups no matter how you name them. After all Clans have the servers
As I pointed out it just needs to be a new form of Clan maybe.


I am pretty bored by threads like this and glorification of old times. I wouldnt be really surprised if I find similar threads from the same people about an even older version...

I think PR improved which each version overall, some things are not better, but overall I enjoy PR more than in older versions.

Gameplay is just what you put in. I've never failed to find people to teamwork with if I want to.
Just do your part.

Don't wait for someone else to step up and start the teamwork. Like Nugiman said, start your own squad and use good comm discipline with other squads and try to get something going.

Exactemente. It works. And it doesnt really take that much effort. Vets are just too easily frustrated these days I guess.


on OP:
Yeah sometimes the rush just isnt there, but I dont put it on PR. Tbh I think just gaming sometimes isnt entertaining anymore. I dont play many other games, matter of fact, only sim city 4 I think
But no adrenaline there i suppose hahaha
I just see it as growing old really... PR is still my go to game because there I get what I want from a game.

I think the post just speaks that you are a bit tired of putting in effort

And I agree with the above and is also the cause of it - The hardcore player base ( you, the forum regulars ) are IMO simply getting old-er and that does take away bit by bit the initial excitement and the eagerness. At least I can observe as much on my own self lol

You're welcome


( I've too noticed that the player base got more casual than what it's used to be though )

No lull here, PR is great since 0.5 released.

I'll be honest, I've felt it too. It's not even a bad feeling- it's kind of a healthy sign actually- stop playing for a while. I've found that no other game has actually been this fulfilling.

I started leading squads/commanding and I enjoyed things a lot more. I coordinated an amazing combined arms assault on a heavily defended area as the Chinese on Black Gold. I don't know what it was, but it felt amazing to see a team of players who barely knew eachother moving and coordinating as a single entity. Something clicked and I got into things again.
Granted, sometimes things just don't work out that way, but I'm saying that this game can still surprise you.

Otherwise I'd say stop playing. If you don't want to, don't do it, you'll just sink further. Do something else you enjoy (probably outside the realm of gaming) or do something that's absolutely mindless with your freetime. I've found that no matter what I always come back to PR eventually.
Hope that helps

There is no "perfect" release of PR, it has only gotten better. Ive been playing off and on since 07' and I have my lulls as well, they happen every few months. Just take a step away from PR for a while, some people take longer than others- Ive taken from a few months to a whole year away from PR and when I know the time is right I just know, I start getting an itch to play the game and then its amazing again like in the older releases. The graphics are the best theyve been, 100 players is AMAZING and everything else about the game is superb. Just take a break. And if you think the player base is "lame" do something about it and run a squad, train people and teach them how to play the game. Be vocal, explain tactics etc. and eventually everyone will be decent or amazing and we can all have fun.

obpmgmua wrote:The problem with pubbies is we need them to repopulate the PR community. I still remember when .5 was new, there were 100+ 64 man servers filled to the brim with people, after release it dropped to like a dozen or so servers being full up until .6 was released. And then with every new release less servers and less people overall.

That is so much bullshit. PR Never had that amount of players.

I've been playing pr since the early days when it was a Mini mod. From around 0.2.
And I've never seen that much players. The most must have been around 10 servers MAX, with 64 players. And this was right after the release of a new update.

I miss some of the old super serious gameplay. When you play with guys who have been into this mod for years and have 1k-1.5k+ hours dumped into this game (steam stats alone) It's hard to keep everything serious when your friends clown around and jerk off because they've done essentially everything there is to do in PR a zillion times over.

I do feel bad for newer pubbers that get in and are total try hards while we are tea bagging each other and climbing trees with ropes and generally acting like baboons. Free Candy Van has been criticized for this a bit, but hey it's a server that advertises fun first.

That being said, for the OP.. . you can't blame design changes in the game for the decline in organized gameplay. It's simply the fact the game isn't new to so many of us.

Sounds to me like you just need to take a break for 6 or 8 months. You will come back strong, I've done it a few times.

Spook wrote:Same here. After so many years I guess its normal. I try but connot deny the fact that all of this started with 1.0. After that everything went down the hill. I still play now and then but rarely I finish a round. I just get frustrated within first 15mins and rage quit because usually gameplay is shit nowadays. Not much server variety left due to the 100p servers, and from those that are still up NEW is the only server worth playing. Every other server lost tremendous amounts of quality compared to a year ago, its not even funny.

I don't like NEW; everytime I get there, there are only locked and clan-stacked squads. You can barely play if you are a pub, I don't like this attitide. Plus, it's a german server and they mostly speak german for obvious reasons.

Spook wrote:I personally stopped playing in big organized squads regulary a couple of months after 1.0 release. Nowadays I often join a server, search for a trans squad, get in, grab an engi or breacher and go FOB and noob hunting. Thats the only thing left to do to have some kind of adrenalin kick. Or I do CAS or fly trans. I never did CAS pre 1.0, because INF was too awesome.

So, you don't promote teamwork anymore and yet keeps complaining about how PR sucks now.

Interesting.

@tang
Same here. It's funny that I can go back in nilla BF2 and have the same experience that I did at release. Nilla has near infinite replay value. PR has become stale.

Death! wrote: So, you don't promote teamwork anymore and yet keeps complaining about how PR sucks now.

Interesting.

As said I lost motivation trying to play tactical and in a team on public servers after the first months of 1.0 . A direct consquence of PRs mindchange with the last patches. I have more fun and actually provide more to my team If I stray through the map on my own, ninja'ing FOBs and make 8 men squads realize why its a bad idea to not use fireteams.

Only on servers with a lot of clan squads I am willing to do normal INF and maybe even squadlead. Those servers which you try to avoid. Every other place is just nuts. There is only a handful of non-claners I know who really know what they are doing and are able to play properly. And most of them are ex-claners. Clans train publics and keep them ingame. They are the key element of PR. No other game depends on them as much as PR.

Spook wrote:As said I lost motivation trying to play tactical and in a team on public servers after the first months of 1.0 . A direct consquence of PRs mindchange with the last patches. I have more fun and actually provide more to my team If I stray through the map on my own, ninja'ing FOBs and make 8 men squads realize why its a bad idea to not use fireteams.

Only on servers with a lot of clan squads I am willing to do normal INF and maybe even squadlead. Those servers which you try to avoid. Every other place is just nuts. There is only a handful of non-claners I know who really know what they are doing and are able to play properly. And most of them are ex-claners. Clans train publics and keep them ingame. They are the key element of PR. Not other game depends on them as much as PR.

^This.
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HunterMed wrote:I'd wish for Clans to play together obviously but leaving out that superion feeling. Always locking squads and dictating other squads around without even being CO.
I've yet to see that a Clan squad is holding a team together and not dividing it by most of the time doing specops missions or attacking (your adrenaline point I suppose) when it is obvious that defending is what needed.

Public squads hold together gameplay not clans in my opinion.

What you call dictating is in fact what the Vets refer as team-play, a squad leader telling you what to do is usually accompany with what he's going to do and many times the success of one depends on the other.

Death! wrote:I don't like NEW; everytime I get there, there are only locked and clan-stacked squads. You can barely play if you are a pub, I don't like this attitide. Plus, it's a german server and they mostly speak german for obvious reasons.

So, you don't promote teamwork anymore and yet keeps complaining about how PR sucks now.

Interesting.

New is a German server, with German admins and German players that speak English just because you joined their squad and said "Hello there", I don't speak German yet I never had problems there.

The clan-stacked squads, like Spook said, New is one of the few servers were its fun to play, why?, cause clans gather there and "dictating other squads" is seen as a positive thing, it means squads are talking to each other.
And usually clans are stacked but balanced

O_turista_portugues wrote:What you call dictating is in fact what the Vets refer as team-play, a squad leader telling you what to do is usually accompany with what he's going to do and many times the success of one depends on the other.




New is a German server, with German admins and German players that speak English just because you joined their squad and said "Hello there", I don't speak German yet I never had problems there.

The clan-stacked squads, like Spook said, New is one of the few servers were its fun to play, why?, cause clans gather there and "dictating other squads" is seen as a positive thing, it means squads are talking to each other.
And usually clans are stacked but balanced

I only have a problem when one Sl tells another Sl what to do only because one of them has clan tags. I've seen often enough that clans dont know better than other SLs usually.

I have no problem at all if someone steps up as CO ingame and try his best, I respect that. I dont respect someone bossing around others when they are on the same level.
And to me everyone who steps up as SL is among equals to other SLs.

Bossing around =/= communication and planning together

Its more like advices than orders...ofc If I as a SL see another full squad derping around the fuck who knows where for 20min already, I would also tell them to move their damn asses. There is only one guy I know of who exagerates a little and actually does commanding from SL position which is quite annoying I agree (people who know him will know who I mean )

But otherwise I almost never have situations when squads tell squads what to do and are not totally right about it.

Sadly there are even only few servers where SLs would even bother about what the other squads are doing. Its a good thing and essential if squadleaders keep their team together when there is no CO available. Sometimes its just necessary to tell people what to do if they don't know better.

While I don't consider myself to be the best squad leader, I am sure I have a good strategic and tactical understanding of the game.

I often squad lead, and in the past I was almost always leading infantry squads.

However, all I do now is to either lead or operate in an asset squad or take an infantry squad and only attempt communication and coordination with SLs I know.

Yes, this does seem very closed-minded, being reluctant to work with unknown SLs. But I have worked out it's better not to stress about other squads so much when the gameplay has deteriorated so significantly. Chances are that other SLs will not bother organizing a defense, or even reply with effective communication.

This is very sad, considering that I thrived on this game previously when communication and coordination were more commonplace.

I just get exhausted trying to compel my peer squad leaders into acting rashly, and effectively. My words usually fall on deaf ears, and I am tired of trying to re-create an atmosphere of teamwork that has long been lost.

Danger, as you know you are my inspiration. As one of my first commanders I follow you as an example and I agree with you again. After asking for intelligence and asking what others are doing and not getting an answer is demotivating. You cannot allow risky moves when the other squad-leaders cannot promise to cover your back.

Spook wrote:Its more like advices than orders...ofc If I as a SL see another full squad derping around the fuck who knows where for 20min already, I would also tell them to move their damn asses. There is only one guy I know of who exagerates a little and actually does commanding from SL position which is quite annoying I agree (people who know him will know who I mean )

But otherwise I almost never have situations when squads tell squads what to do and are not totally right about it.

Sadly there are even only few servers where SLs would even bother about what the other squads are doing. Its a good thing and essential if squadleaders keep their team together when there is no CO available. Sometimes its just necessary to tell people what to do if they don't know better.

advice is fine I guess. Although everybody should really think carefully about their advice.
In my experience if the advice isnt to defend or fall back it is BS anyway.

"Move up" or "attack the next flag" advice is given rather quickly because of impatience and what I call flag greed.
(Mostly ends in flag exchange, meaning two grey flags..)