What the MEC G3s SHOULD look like

robbo · Post by **robbo** » 2007-01-01 15:17

Why use the G3SG1 when the MGS90 is a DMR.

Pfft Middle east people take the Marksmanship crown will never happen

UKARMYCADET · Post by **UKARMYCADET** » 2007-01-01 15:19

As for the accuracy of the G3 it is less as accurate as the SA80 so there is no compotition. But a field more accurate than the game has it now. Plus one big advantage we have a scope they dont...... And to fit a scope apart from sniper class is obsurd as the G3 is a damm heavy weapon adding a fresh mag nearly beaks your arms lol. so if the DEVs take in account that the MECS arnt terminators we should be safe not to have a sope fitted to all them

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robbo · Post by **robbo** » 2007-01-01 15:21

UKARMYCADET wrote:As for the accuracy of the G3 it is less as accurate as the SA80 so there is no compotition. But a field more accurate than the game has it now. Plus one big advantage we have a scope they dont...... And to fit a scope apart from sniper class is obsurd as the G3 is a damm heavy weapon adding a fresh mag nearly beaks your arms lol. so if the DEVs take in account that the MECS arnt terminators we should be safe not to have a sope .

They better stack up on Chicken tika curry for protien then lol

dunkellic · Post by **dunkellic** » 2007-01-01 15:23

UKARMYCADET wrote:As for the accuracy of the G3 it is less as accurate as the SA80 so there is no compotition.

well, depends on the range, the g3 has a bigger effective range than the sa80

UKARMYCADET wrote: But a field more accurate than the game has it now. Plus one big advantage we have a scope they dont...... And to fit a scope apart from sniper class is obsurd as the G3 is a damm heavy weapon adding a fresh mag nearly beaks your arms lol.

it would not be a sniperscope, more like a normal scope or even a reflex sight - there are g3 irl with such things and they don´t weight that much at all (they = the scopes, not the rifles

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Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » 2007-01-01 15:28

hhhmmmmmm, i think relex sights should stay with the US dont get me wrong reflex sights and combat rails are great peices of kit but i hope the MEC aint equipt with pimped out G3's

UKARMYCADET · Post by **UKARMYCADET** » 2007-01-01 15:29

robbo wrote:They better stack up on Chicken tika curry for protien then lol

Lol Joe make sure you not eating your old cat i have heard stories about the curry houses in Bradford lamo

robbo · Post by **robbo** » 2007-01-01 15:31

Lol Dont like curry due to those very stories lmfao

Eddie Baker · Post by **Eddie Baker** » 2007-01-01 15:31

Xizor wrote:This is the autosniper from CS. It does have full auto, so hopefully the DEVs don't nerf out this important feature (as they did with the SPR ).

I have not seen a reliable authoritative source that says that the Mk-12 SPR is selective fire, Xizor. With our limited fire modes we are trying to keep those available for different magnification levels on telscopic sights for those rifles issued with them.

UKARMYCADET · Post by **UKARMYCADET** » 2007-01-01 15:31

'[5NFSO wrote:Thunder']hhhmmmmmm, i think relex sights should stay with the US dont get me wrong reflex sights and combat rails are great peices of kit but i hope the MEC aint equipt with pimped out G3's

Here here. we need to make it fair and it would be realistic not to give it a scope, think of it as a kick *** AK47.

Also a quote to a above comment i do know that the G3 round has more range than the SA80 and m16 but with urban combat of today it does not matter so much.

dunkellic · Post by **dunkellic** » 2007-01-01 15:37

UKARMYCADET wrote:Here here. we need to make it fair and it would be realistic not to give it a scope, think of it as a kick *** AK47.

well, as i said (perhaps not this thread^^) there are real g3s with scopes (and i dont mean dmr rifles) - but the mec definatly need rifles with scopes - it would just be a too big backdraw, having no rifle with sights. right now, the british sa80 with the susat is just a bit too "uber" compared to their counterparts, and for example on ghost train, you can basically snipe with that thing whereas the other side (china) has nothing of the sorts

UKARMYCADET wrote: Also a quote to a above comment i do know that the G3 round has more range than the SA80 and m16 but with urban combat of today it does not matter so much.

true

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » 2007-01-01 15:42

agreed they should have scopes. but not those relex sights

UKARMYCADET · Post by **UKARMYCADET** » 2007-01-01 15:47

dunkellic wrote:well, as i said (perhaps not this thread^^) there are real g3s with scopes (and i dont mean dmr rifles) - but the mec definatly need rifles with scopes - it would just be a too big backdraw, having no rifle with sights. right now, the british sa80 with the susat is just a bit too "uber" compared to their counterparts, and for example on ghost train, you can basically snipe with that thing whereas the other side (china) has nothing of the sorts

Yes thats true but thats where power comes to play. 7.62 cal has more power and in real life if you see a person you can snipe them without a scope up to about 350m stood up. Any more than that they become too blurred. (unless my eyes are bad lol.) The SA80 with the susat is weaker so if both teams have kevlar witch they do in PR i think. one SA80 round will do a lot less damage than one G3 / AK47 round. But its the way the cooky crumbels we have more money hence better weapons.

dunkellic · Post by **dunkellic** » 2007-01-01 15:51

UKARMYCADET wrote:Yes thats true but thats where power comes to play. 7.62 cal has more power and in real life if you see a person you can snipe them without a scope up to about 350m stood up. Any more than that they become too blurred. (unless my eyes are bad lol.) The SA80 with the susat is weaker so if both teams have kevlar witch they do in PR i think. one SA80 round will do a lot less damage than one G3 / AK47 round. But its the way the cooky crumbels we have more money hence better weapons.

good point, but afaik not all classes in pr are fitted with a kevlar (medics for example are not) - and especially for those 5.56 rounds may be even deadlier since they kinda "tumble" in your body, causing massive inner bleedings...but...i think i went somewhat off-topic ^^

UKARMYCADET · Post by **UKARMYCADET** » 2007-01-01 16:03

dunkellic wrote:good point, but afaik not all classes in pr are fitted with a kevlar (medics for example are not) - and especially for those 5.56 rounds may be even deadlier since they kinda "tumble" in your body, causing massive inner bleedings...but...i think i went somewhat off-topic ^^

No you have a point but you are going too in depth.

dunkellic wrote:"and especially for those 5.56 rounds may be even deadlier since they kinda "tumble" in your body, causing massive inner bleedings"

Think about it you body has just had a huge hole shot through it, this is not by any means natural. If the bullet tumbels a bit or not a hole it the heart is a hole in the heart, the tumble would make little differance. I see what you mean though
As for medics you are true but thats why they should be at the back of the que and not fighting as such. would be good if they had huge bullet proof riot shields ^^.

Mekstizzle · Post by **Mekstizzle** » 2007-01-01 16:57

God you guys are clueless, Curry and shit like that is Indian not Middle Eastern.

robbo wrote:Why use the G3SG1 when the MGS90 is a DMR.

Pfft Middle east people take the Marksmanship crown will never happen

Wow.

You guys are stupid motherfuckers.

Post by **Bob_Marley** » 2007-01-01 17:20

robbo wrote:Why use the G3SG1 when the MGS90 is a DMR.

Pfft Middle east people take the Marksmanship crown will never happen

Becasue the G3SG/1 is lighter than the MSG-90, has full auto, is cheaper and due to the fact that it will be used on urban maps, the lower accuracy dosent matter? Those would be my guesses.

Thats the sort of low powered scope that will be mounted on the MEC rifleman/grenadier G3s, shown here on a G3A4TGSZ, which also happens to be the heaviest assault rifle H&K manufactured.

UKARMYCADET · Post by **UKARMYCADET** » 2007-01-01 17:43

Mekstizzle wrote:God you guys are clueless, Curry and shit like that is Indian not Middle Eastern.

your not just a annoying banner owner dumb *** before you flame people get the facts! were does it say that curry has anything to do with mec???? The reason he talked about curry is nothing to do with mec or the g3 its a joke me and robbo have because we live near bradford and it is full of indians and other asians, hence a lot of curry houses near you area.

Even if wewere talking about mec and were wrong any idiot with a brain cell would find a more kinder way to tell us for example when i tripped up about the p90 instead of the people being annoying idiots like you are they told me kindly that tank crews used it not just police and i stood corrected.

either way thanks for your input but next time re think about what you have just typed before you click submit.

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » 2007-01-01 21:07

dunkellic wrote:good point, but afaik not all classes in pr are fitted with a kevlar (medics for example are not) - and especially for those 5.56 rounds may be even deadlier since they kinda "tumble" in your body, causing massive inner bleedings...but...i think i went somewhat off-topic ^^

7.62 rounds tumble too and are more likely to due to the lower velosity i belive

dunkellic · Post by **dunkellic** » 2007-01-01 21:15

no that´s wrong. a reason why nato decided on the smaller caliber was the tumbling - the larger and more heavier 7.62 rounds do not tumble at all, or even if, by far not as much as the small 5.56 rounds.
especially when hitting persons without bodyarmor, or hitting them in places where they are not protected, 5.56 rounds are far more dangerous.
where 7.62 strike right through the target, a 5.56 will hit, eventually fragment and tumble inside the body, causing much more dangerous woundings than a simple shot-through from a 7.62 rifle

MrD · Post by **MrD** » 2007-01-01 21:52

dunkellic wrote:no that´s wrong. a reason why nato decided on the smaller caliber was the tumbling - the larger and more heavier 7.62 rounds do not tumble at all, or even if, by far not as much as the small 5.56 rounds.
especially when hitting persons without bodyarmor, or hitting them in places where they are not protected, 5.56 rounds are far more dangerous.
where 7.62 strike right through the target, a 5.56 will hit, eventually fragment and tumble inside the body, causing much more dangerous woundings than a simple shot-through from a 7.62 rifle

the 5.56mm round was chosen as the universal ammo due to being lighter than the old 7.62mm variants and because of economic warfare.

If you shoot to wound (5.56mm) then the enemy needs two stretcher bearers, medics, nurses, doctors, hospital ships, recuperation, pensions. This will economically grind down an enemy. Unfortuantely practically all enemies of the west don't look after their injured, consider them expendable and know we will save and cover the costs of keeping them fed and watered in POW camps.

the 7.62 Fabrique Nationale FAL rifle used by the british army in the past was heavy, more cumbersome in operation, had ironsights, required more time from spotting to accurate shooting at an enemy. Although in its defence, when hit by a round from it, was like getting kicked by a horse apparently. And of course it could damage vehicle engine blocks, stand a fair chance of shooting enemy behind thin walls and made a longer bayonet platform.

because of growing up with lee enfields, martinis, stens, brens, sterling smg's and FAL rifles I moved onto the L85A1 with joy towards it's ease of manouvering, it's fast spotting to accurate shooting time and the larger capacity magazine! It is a shame that effective range is 400m, which is a lot shorter than you can see in a lot of places! you were considered an excellent shot if you could hit stationary half size targets from prone at 6/10 @ 600m and 4/10 @ 800m and could only really miss hitting 10/10 @ 400m if you'd drunk too much the night before and couldn't focus or stop the trembling or wearing a gas mask with no spectacle insert!