I remember a game when........

[tankninja1]

I miss when deviation was a pain in the *** instead of bullet ((((damage)))).

[Rabbit]

I miss when deviation was a pain in the *** instead of bullet ((((damage)))).

I dont, fuck that.

[Trump Goujon]

I miss Pr. So much.

[>para<]

0.7-0.9 PR the best golden age for Gameplay
@tankninja1 +++++11111 the same
the game is good because is hard!

[PBStalker]

I played a game a week ago where this guy nuxus decided to go around and team kill everyone on my side. The a few days later played a game where a guy on the other side kept blowing up his own caches. In these cases, I think we should have switched to bunny hunt mode where everyone just kills the offender until he leaves

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[Cpt.Future]

;2165960']0.7-0.9 PR the best golden age for Gameplay
@tankninja1 +++++11111 the same
the game is good because is hard!

v0.98 was peak PR

[HeadlessChicken86]

0.98 was boss i agree. I didnt like that ton of deviation at all though.
Give me 0.98 with 1.4 Deviation/Textures and i r8 8/8 best game of all time.

[Rhino]

0.98 was boss i agree. I didnt like that ton of deviation at all though.
Give me 0.98 with 1.4 Deviation/Textures and i r8 8/8 best game of all time.

So you want us to remove:

1. The launcher/updater
2. Added support for PRMasterServer, which replaces GameSpy.
3. PR:BF2 standalone - Battlefield 2 is no longer required.
4. 100p servers and 8 player squads
5. Full Integration of PR Mumble
6. PRISM server administration tool.
7. Machine Gunner and Spotter kits.
8. Reworked FOB & rally point system with overrun mechanics etc
9. All the new sounds
10. All the new special effects (explosions, etc, there are a lot of new ones)
11. The new Light Supply Crate
12. Timed Demolition Charges
13. Alternate commo-rose option to the shovel, allowing players to demolish friendly deployables
14. new Vehicle Disabling System, which doesn't always disable the vehicle completely anymore, but certain parts.
15. ability to revive wounded soldiers in shallow water.
16. Increasing the amount of CSBs being able to be deployed from a logi truck from 1 to 2
17. Updated Shovel to allow the defusal of grenade traps.
18. Updated Commander markers so they can be placed more rapidly.
19. Updated UAV system to only take five seconds to redeploy while on station.
20. Updated wrench model to be a tool bag instead.
21. Increased rearm time of rally point from one to five minutes, when overrun.
22. Decreased amount of field dressings for medics to 6 (from 12).
23. Updated flag capture speed to use the exact ratio of attackers to defenders.
24. Added deployable roadblocks.
25. Updated infantry movement speed with faster sighted-in movement.
26. Updated UAV to now have a fuel system.
27. Added muzzle flashes for night maps.
28. Updated many vehicle physics models to fix exploits and improve armor definition.
29. Updated tank damage model with generally stronger front armor but weaker rear/side armor.
30. Updated ragdoll physics
31. Added Dutch Forces
32. Added British and Argentinian factions based on the 1982 Falklands War.
33. Added prone specific animations and transitions for all weapons.
34. Added Backup Sight (BUIS) system for applicable weapons.
35. Added functional adjustable sights and reticles for all rocket launcher and rocket propelled grenade systems.
36. Added French Forces specific weapons (FAMAS F1 series, HK417, FR-F2, AN-F1, Rifle Grenades, French Hand Grenades).
37. Added AKS-74.
38. Added FN MAG GPMG/MMG Series.
39. Added Glock 17 (Model by Tigg).
40. Added M14 EBR-RI.
41. Added M16A1 DMR.
42. Added M3M (model placeholder) mounted heavy machine gun.
43. Added M4 DMR.
44. Added M72A6 LAW.
45. Added Machete.
46. Added MG3 w/ EOTech.
47. Added Mk 12 SPR.
48. Added Mk 19 Grenade Launcher.
49. Added Mosin Nagant M38 Carbine, M1891/30 Sniper Variant and DP-28 (Models by BF:Korea)
50. Added PKP "Pecheneg".
51. Added RPK-74 and RPK-74M.
52. Added SMAW.
53. Added TT-33 Tokarev (Model by Mr Rifleman).
54. Added Type 36 recoilless rifle.
55. Added buckshot round for the M79 Grenade Launcher.
56. Added small C4 charges.
57. Added new IED models.
58. Added new "Water Container" Victim Operated IED.
59. Added new large & small C4, TNT and Dynamite charges.
60. Added Insurgent IED markers.
61. Added Rotation to all grenades and hand projectiles.
62. Added Diemaco C7A1 (NL).
63. Added Diemaco C8A1 (NL).
64. Added Diemaco C8A1GD (NL).
65. Added Heckler & Koch HK-416 (NL).
66. Added AKM & AKMS assault rifles to multiple unconventional factions.
67. Updated vehicle smoke to be more effective and to feature IR-blocking functionality on some vehicles.
68. Updated AK-74 recoil animations.
69. Added Bren L4A4 LMG.
70. Added L2A3 Sterling SMG.
71. Added L42A1 Sniper Rifle.
72. Added FMK-1 AP & FMK-3 AT Mines.
73. Added L1A1 with with L2A2 SUIT Sight.
74. Added Tigercat SAM.
75. Added Blowpipe Handheld AA.
76. Added Rheinmetall 20mm AAA.
77. Added deployable Mistral AA.
78. Added deployable Milan MIRA AT.
79. Added Mk17 1000lb GPB.
80. Added Mk82 "Snakeye" 500lb Retarded Bomb.
81. Added Matra R.550 'Magic 1' Air to Air Missile.
82. Added AM-39 Exocet.
83. Added M1918BAR (placeholder for FN FAP LMG).
84. Added AKM with GP-25 Grenade Launcher.
85. Added MP7 with ironsights.
86. Added Obrez.
87. Added SKS with PU-Scope.
88. Added AK-74 variant with PGO-7 Scope.
89. Added M16A2E3 with ACOG.
90. Added Type-56; Chinese version of AK by M111.
91. Added MD63, romanian AKM variant by M111.
92. Added M4 with Mepro Classic sight by M111.
93. Added Coyote APC (CF).
94. Added CF-18/F/A-18 Strike Fighter / Light Attack Jet (CF, USMC).
95. Added Canadian UH-1N as placeholder for CH-146 Griffon Light Transport Helicopter (CF).
96. Added PLA Boat (CH).
97. Added PLA version of the Mi-17 Medium Transport Helicopter (CH).
98. Added Q-5 Fantan Light Attack Jet (CH).
99. Added Type 86G IFV (CH).
100. Added WZ550 ATGM Carrier (CH).
101. Added WZ551B with 30mm turret (CH).
102. Added Zastava Van (Civilian Vehicle).
103. Added Zhi-9B Light Transport Helicopter (CH).
104. Added Zhi-9WA Light Attack Helicopters (CH).
105. Added AMX-10RC Armoured Recon (FR).
106. Added AS565 MB Panther Light Transport Helicopter (FR).
107. Added GBC 180 Transport and Logistics Trucks (FR).
108. Added Leclerc Main Battle Tank (FR).
109. Added NH-90 Transport Helicopter (FR, GER) (Model by PoE 2).
110. Added Tiger HAP Heavy Attack Helicopter (FR).
111. Added VAB APC (FR).
112. Added VBCI IFV (FR).
113. Added Rocket Technical variant (INS, Militia).
114. Added BMP-2 and BMP-2M IFVs (MEC, RU).
115. Added FV101 Scorpion Light Tank / Armoured Recon (MEC).
116. Added Mi-24P Hind-F Medium Attack Helicopter (MEC, RU) (Model by Clivewil).
117. Added Mi-24V Hind-E Assault Transport Helicopter (MEC, RU) (Model by Clivewil).
118. Added Su-22 Fitter Light Attack Jet (MEC) (Model by Clivewil).
119. Added BMP-1 IFV (MIL).
120. Added NVA version of the Mi-8 Medium Transport Helicopter (NVA).
121. Added PT-76 Amphibious Light Tank (NVA).
122. Added Su-27 Flanker Strike Fighter (RU) (Model by PoE 2).
123. Added Su-34 Fullback Fighter-Bomber (RU).
124. Added Su-39 Frogfoot Heavy Attack Jet (RU).
125. Added M67 "Zippo" Flame Thrower Tank (Vietnam US).
126. Added Swiftboat (Vietnam US).
127. Added M1114 "Up-Armoured" HMMWV series (US Army, USMC).
128. Added Stryker with MK-19 variant (US Army).
129. Added SOAR Blackhawk (Special Operations Aviation Regiment) with M134 miniguns, standard Blackhawks now use M240's as their door guns. (US Army).
130. Added AV-8B Harrier II Light Attack Jet (USMC).
131. Added MV-22 Osprey Heavy Transport Tiltrotor (USMC) (Model by Clivewil).
132. Added more Rigid-Hulled Inflatable Boat (RHIB) variations with faction specific weapons.
133. Added door guns to Lynx, UH-1N, UH-1N Gunship, Chinook, MV-22 Osprey and NH-90 helicopters.
134. Added ramp guns to the MV-22 and the CF, GB, and US Chinooks.
135. Added more passenger seats to the normal civilian dump truck, ATV, Forklift, GAZ Jeeps, PLA Paratrooper vehicle, Support Humvee and Support Land Rover variants.
136. Added turret shields to some civilian Technicals and NVA Sampans.
137. Added M2HB Browning to some Technicals.
138. Added common wreck texture to all vehicles.
139. Added Down Point of View to all helicopters.
140. Added AH-64D Apache (NL).
141. Added Boxer PWV (NL).
142. Added Fennek SWP (NL).
143. Added Fennek VWWRN (NL).
144. Added F-35A (CAP and CAS) (NL).
145. Added Dutch version of the Landrover.
146. Added Dutch version of Leopard 2A6.
147. Added Dutch versions of the F-16 (CAP and CAS).
148. Added Dutch version of the Gwagon.
149. Added Dutch version of the M113 (YPR).
150. Added Dutch version of the MAN logistics and transport truck.
151. Added Dutch version of the NH-90.
152. Added MEC MiG-29 variant for Bijar Canyons with updated landing gear for softer landings.
153. Added ZSU-23-4 Shilka SPAA
154. Added Canadian CH-146 Griffon light transport helicopter.
155. Added Chinese ZTZ-99A2 main battle tank.
156. Added A-4B, A-4C, A-4Q jet aircraft.
157. Added Mirage IIIEA jet aircraft.
158. Added IAI Dagger jet aircraft.
159. Added Sea Harrier FRS.1 and Harrier GE.3 jet aircraft.
160. Added T-72B and T-72S.
161. Added IDF M163 VADS.
162. Added Argentinian Volkswagen Type 1 (Placeholder for type 2).
163. Added logistics technical variant for Hamas with 1 light supply crate.
164. Dovre (2km) (GER vs RUS) (AAS, Skirmish).
165. Hill 488 (1km) (70's USA vs. NVA) (AAS, Skirmish).
166. Khamisiyah (4km) (USMC/USA vs. MEC) (AAS, Skirmish).
167. Saaremaa (4km) (USMC vs. RUS) (AAS, Skirmish).
168. Wanda Shan (4km) (GER vs. PLA) (AAS, Skirmish).
169. Xiangshan (4km) (FR vs PLA) (AAS, Skirmish).
170. Added Hades Peak
171. Added Goose Green (2x2 km) - GB '82 vs Arg '82 - AAS, Skirmish, COOP.
172. Added The Falklands (8x8 km) - GB '82 vs Arg '82 - AAS, Skirmish, VW.
173. Added Bamyan (4x4 km) - MEC/Taliban vs US Army/USMC - AAS, Insurgency, Skirmish, COOP.
174. Al Basrah v2
175. + much, much more

[X1 Spriggan]

Mouthpiece is exactly right. The culture of PR changes based on the SLs that play the game and their level of tolerance of the bullshit that everyone deals with when playing PR. Content aside, PR has been the same game ever since it has been released, drawing in the same type of audience and giving the same type of experience every time we play, coordinated teamwork in a massive online realistic battlefield.

Through all the bullshit and boring gameplay we suffer through, we strive for that 2% chance for those great moments we can only get when playing PR, when everything comes together. I can guarantee that the reason why those "old players" are reluctant to playing PR at least once a week is that they are afraid that chance has fallen, even to something like 1%. And even that tiny chance for those great moments in PR isn't what's stopping them from even trying; it's the fact even if they do, its the same exact experience they had a week ago, a month ago, a year ago. They need that moment to feel new.

And there isn't a singular reason why this is happening. A small part is the servers run the same pool of maps, another small part is that there just isn't as much new content released on average as there has been in the past. But no matter the reason, PR will not die until there is an exact replacement of it. Every year there are threads like these that reminisce of past versions of PR how they are supposedly better and at any point PR will finally die; but the best version will always be the one that is most recent. Every new major release of PR, players will come back if what is new excites them enough, and they all pray for that 2% chance again, and they will stay if they get their fix.

[Rabbit]

Rhino;2166012']So you want us to remove:

1. list

Yes, that is it.

[Rhino]

So you want us to remove:

1. list

Yes, that is it.

Alright, will start removing all those "problems" then!


Not sure how PR is going to work without the launcher, PR Master Server etc but if that all ruins the gameplay I guess we have no choice

[Captain Fubar]

Rhino;2166017']Alright, will start removing all those features then!


Not sure how PR is going to work without the launcher, PR Master Server etc but if that all ruins the gameplay I guess we have no choice

N O W W A I T A M I N U T E

[YAK-R]

-snip-

Pretty much this, i play for the fix. My addiction is too far gone now, i can't even scratch that itch playing blufor as INS. Chasing that rare round.

I honestly believe inf combat was better in .98 (although shooting the ceiling instead of the guy 2m in front of you was a bit annoying), Memberberries aside, the game works better when inf combat is slowed down rather than sped up (fast as it's ever been atm). Obviously a lot of great stuff has happened since then, the amount of content in this game is truly insane.

[Wicca]

Im not even done playing Infantry, just wait until I turn into an asset whore..

[carmikaze]

v0.98 was peak PR

No it wasn't.

Deviation was pure cancer.

[assetruler69]

The grass was much more greener eight years ago, that's what I remember, but other than that it's okay now.

[Wicca]

The grass might have been greener then, now its the players that are green..

Badum tshh.

[Mouthpiece]

The grass might have been greener then, now its the players that are green..

Badum tshh.

Exaclty. And they don't grow in experience as we have definite lack of good zero tolerance SL's who can show them how this game is played the right way. Not some "eh, we need a medic, rest take whatever kits you want, except sniper", and proceeds to do something-something. How can we drill the masses so they understood that this game can really fucking shine when everyone in the server works like a clock? I think we can't. The cancer has spread throughout the system. Good oldschool (and also good new SLs who have experienced the old school leading style as grunts or seen a lot of TG/T&T'esque vids) SLs just can't deal with the bullshit that they get nowadays.

[obpmgmua]

Exaclty. And they don't grow in experience as we have definite lack of good zero tolerance SL's who can show them how this game is played the right way. Not some "eh, we need a medic, rest take whatever kits you want, except sniper", and proceeds to do something-something. How can we drill the masses so they understood that this game can really fucking shine when everyone in the server works like a clock? I think we can't. The cancer has spread throughout the system. Good oldschool (and also good new SLs who have experienced the old school leading style as grunts or seen a lot of TG/T&T'esque vids) SLs just can't deal with the bullshit that they get nowadays.

Well no shit. But you're overlooking the problems with the game itself. There's no incentive to work as a team unless you're crewing a multi-man vehicle or if you know somebody really well. The mumble spam has gotten out of hand. People who use teamspeak are looked down upon and rightfully so, but I cant blame them because sometimes you can have 50 guys yelling at you in main. I used to lead squads religiously until I got sick of all the bullshit and said fuck it. The player quality only decreased when the squad leads stopped caring. Now I just stick to coop because honestly it's more fun than vanilla PR. Deployment is a fucking chore. I no longer have the patience for this ****. I dont care that it's more casual not having to wait 20 minutes to respawn it is better than having to put up with roleplayers and armchair commandos screaming at you for fucking up in the slightest.

The community has become toxic. I hate doing this but I had to yell at people for doing stupid shit like getting HAT kits when other squads needed it or getting a useless kit like rifleman AP or spotter. Also there's a certain subset of people in the game who dont want to play with others and would rather do their own thing. We had a mode for them to fuck around in and that was Insurgency. But now that's pretty much dead because of all the insurgent nerfs. People who like insurgency are either blufor whores tripping on their own power or those nostalgic for the days before 1.0 when you could actually do something.

Also I think 1.4 played a huge part in the decline of player quality.

[assetruler69]

I see way too much tacticoolity and "looking for realism" nowadays. And this stuff is as cancerous as lone-wolfing-ramboing. Tacticools and realism-seekers could roam through the woods kilometres away from the objective, flanking those who're flanking them in order to flank everybody and not to be flanked, covering each other or camping inactive objectives waiting for others to cap flags.

People should understand that this game is about "playing objectives", that's what this orange shield on the map means.

And I will disagree with the lower quality of player base today. I think it's core of the player base which grew old and become grumpy and intolerant to anything but "good" teamwork. If you want something to be done it's better to do it yourself sometimes, but instead people "are tired of that bullshit".