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i dont think it can be done the way you suggest TJ, the only way i can think to do it would be to make 2 or more different versions of a map, and have the basic lay out and statics the same, then just change the skins weapons and vehicles, its not all that hard to do it that way DCX did it they have brit versions of all there maps

The reason I mention that is in CoD:UO we have a mod called AWE. What it allows among many other features is the ability to turn one team (ie. British) into American. Then you can turn it off in the config if you didn't want it.

I figured the same could be done here. Because if you're adding weapons/vehicles... you're probably replacing some of the existing ones... couldn't you just allow that to NOT change?

Just a thought really... and a hope. I bought this game to play USMC... and I'm getting involved with the mod community to bring realism to everyone (especially my unit... at least in terms of settings). I'd just hate to be forced into another service.

What's wrong with playing as the army?

And if you want to play as the marines that badly then play on the maps that have them.

Snake489 wrote:What's wrong with playing as the army?

And if you want to play as the marines that badly then play on the maps that have them.

EVERY game has the Army. This is one of the FEW that have the Marines as the fighting force (funny how Few the Proud comes into play heavily here).

I also don't want to be restricted to ONLY playing maps that I "have to" play. I'd like to play all of them as a Marine.

FEW games has marines in them?

To me it seems that almost all the games have marines in them.

Snake489 wrote:FEW games has marines in them?

To me it seems that almost all the games have marines in them.

Name 5 GOOD games...

I'll name 2 that come off the top of my head and they're not even good:

-First to Fight
-Medal of Honor: Pacific Assault


Army:

-America's Army
-Joint Ops
-Ghost Recon
-Call of Duty/UO
-Day of Defeat
-Medal of Honor (entire series)
-Wolfenstein (Return to Castle Wolfenstein)
-Battlefield 1942/Vietnam
-Operation Flashpoint

... need I continue? lol

Well a few games that contains marines.

-AVP
-AVP2
-Half-Life opposing force
-Dawn of War (granted they a called space marines but marines nevertheless)
-Quake 2
-Quake 4
-Doom 1 2 and 3
-Battlefield 2

Thats all the games i can think of but when you say marines to you mean games that have them in it or that you play as one?

He wants to play as a current US Marine. Those games are science fiction mostly.

[R-DEV wrote:Paladin-X]He wants to play as a current US Marine. Those games are science fiction mostly.

Yeah... I've never even heard of AVP lol. ... I did mean REAL Marines too, not Space Marines (ie. Aliens), or anything like that.

Paladin hit the nail on the head... I want to be able to play AS a Marine. I don't even so much care that it's present day (I was hyped up forever for CoD to have something Marines... but eventually gave up all hope when they said CoD2 would be Army again).

But, seeing as how BF2 is present day, and right up my alley of knowledge, and experience... it makes it that much better.

It's not even so much that I (emphasized) get to play as a Marine. Hell I was one for 4 years I know what it's like. But to other people... they don't understand the Marines at all. They get the wrong impression of them, and depict them completely in the wrong way. Iraqi's were afraid of us when we invaded and refused to fight us on the grounds that they heard we would kill them if captured. So, they dropped and ran. Far too many misconceptions out there (that being an extreme one).

I just want people to have the opportunity to realistically play as a Marine, and get a feel for the "Forgotten Service". That's why I formed my BF2 unit, and that's why I'm here today giving my input and advice.

But this mod is going to have marines in it just not marines on every level.

Some people want to play as something else like the 82 and 101 airborne i know i do.

It is nice to mix things upp, have variations and whats wrong with playing as an army guy?

You guys just don't get it I guess. I'm part of a REALISM unit... for us... realism is sticking to real world tactics, using rank, and sticking to assigned kits. Realism to us is not playing as British or Army, while we wear 24th MEU (MARINE Expeditionary Unit) TAG's.

I'm all for adding the other services... but just give the people an option to turn the forced team changes on/off... that's all I ask.

I would also say though, that had this been the Army and not Marines, I would never have bought it (ie. BF1942 where I just got the demo). The Marine aspect is what caused me to run out on release day and pick it up (along with games like First to Fight... BF2 I actually had to make the store clerk go in the back to get me one before they hit the shelves). This game gave me the small splinter of hope that this game TRUELY might have given the Marines what they're looking/waiting for.

Well I could say I wanted every map just have British forces on as im not an american. I think you have to give and take a little bit mate. PR are doing there best job to make the marines realistic in this game and they will have their fair share of maps too! You cannot expect everything to made exactly how you would want it to as they arent just making the mod for one person!

As to people not 'understanding' or 'forgetting' marines? How do people understand the army that much better or know what it would be like to be in the army but not the marines. I dont think they are forgotton as marines are featured in quite a few filmsout there and when i think of the US i think of marines. As far as i know the marines are the 'crack' amphibious troops ot the US armed forces, is this is a misconception?

TJYoung80234 wrote:Army:

-America's Army
-Joint Ops
-Ghost Recon
-Call of Duty/UO
-Day of Defeat
-Medal of Honor (entire series)
-Wolfenstein (Return to Castle Wolfenstein)
-Battlefield 1942/Vietnam
-Operation Flashpoint

... need I continue? lol

Battlefield 1942 and Battlefield Vietnam did include Marines, just not on every map. In the Pacific Theater maps of BF'42 you can see USMC markings n the web gear and packs of the troops. And on maps of BFV representing operations / battles where the Marines had the most troops on the ground (Operation Hastings, Khe Sanh), the equipment and skins change slightly. For example, the sniper's weapon becomes an M40 instead of the US Army issued M21 seen on other maps.

the marinees will have a big part to play in PR, but it doesnt mean there cant be a few maps for the army as well.

Look the more i read your replys in this topic the more the 3 letters come to mind... WTF!

OK you make it sound like every dam battle in the world is faught by american marines. There is other units out there including ones that are not part of the USMC.
How can you expect a change that allows you to change a british army etc in to an american one????? when the weapons given will have different damage,range,accuracy etc etc.
This mod will have different maps and different forces idealy suited to that mission.
Mabe USMC can do everything but not as good as a specific unit for that job can. Otherwise why would the americans even bother with other forces? you would have one large USMC army.
No, because the way it is in reality is the way it will be portrayed to a degree in PR. IE NOT allways USMC fighting every map.

Like it was said earlyer if you cant stand being anything but marines then mabe you can just play on maps that include them.
Also i hate to be the one to let you know but until the year 3000 a game will never be like reality and real tactics also wont work very well in fps games for a number of reasons which i will not go in to, sum it up as its not real.

Also why are you so self centered around your country? marines arnt exactly top of the ladder in terms of units which you would never get to play as because your still dreaming that your a real marine fighting a real battle.


In no way is this a direct B*tch at you. Im simply expressing my opinion towards the self centered opinion you have shared with everyone else.

Sorry if i came across to harsh. its just my honest opinion.

TerribleOne wrote:Look the more i read your replys in this topic the more the 3 letters come to mind... WTF!

OK you make it sound like every dam battle in the world is faught by american marines. There is other units out there including ones that are not part of the USMC.
How can you expect a change that allows you to change a british army etc in to an american one????? when the weapons given will have different damage,range,accuracy etc etc.
This mod will have different maps and different forces idealy suited to that mission.
Mabe USMC can do everything but not as good as a specific unit for that job can. Otherwise why would the americans even bother with other forces? you would have one large USMC army.
No, because the way it is in reality is the way it will be portrayed to a degree in PR. IE NOT allways USMC fighting every map.

Like it was said earlyer if you cant stand being anything but marines then mabe you can just play on maps that include them.
Also i hate to be the one to let you know but until the year 3000 a game will never be like reality and real tactics also wont work very well in fps games for a number of reasons which i will not go in to, sum it up as its not real.

Also why are you so self centered around your country? marines arnt exactly top of the ladder in terms of units which you would never get to play as because your still dreaming that your a real marine fighting a real battle.


In no way is this a direct B*tch at you. Im simply expressing my opinion towards the self centered opinion you have shared with everyone else.

Sorry if i came across to harsh. its just my honest opinion.

Oh brother... you're lost.

The problem I'm seeing is everyone is saying, "We will make the Marines realistic"... but they also say, "They'll be on amphibious maps and the Army will be...".

The Marines are not JUST an Amphibious force. You guys don't understand the magnitude of what the Marines are capable of. This is the same problem with Hollywood, and the gaming industry... they don't understand Marine Corps doctrine at all.

Then we get comments like this that should NEVER be in this thread to begin with:

"Also why are you so self centered around your country?"

"marines arnt exactly top of the ladder in terms of units which you would never get to play as because your still dreaming that your a real marine fighting a real battle."


I mean holy sh*t guys... I'm asking for something VERY SIMPLE. An option to turn on/off the automatic team changes. Is that really so difficult? That's it... that's ALL I'm asking for... I'm not asking for explanations on why there's Army or British in there... put them in. But for the love of god... at least give us a choice. That's all.

To have it your way there is a few ways it can go.

*Whole serverside change to people vote for what 'force' they want to be next. It is then forced for next round or no voting at all and the server sets what goes next.

*Every map has the orgional intended force and then marines too. just for you and your team

*All maps have only USMC vs *******.

*Kits are the same for every class and weapons along the range of classes all have the exact same damage,accuracy,range. so people can switch the look of there army to what they want. Very unrealistic and also youd have people all thinking they are the same units but really on player side they are all different.


As i said before mabe the marines are versitile but there isent the other 80% of the USmilitary following behind the marines. If the marines were the solution to everything 'best man for every job', then the US military would have only marines.
They DO NOT which to me states they need people in other parts of the forces to do specific roles that one force alone cannot do as good.
Im sure the marines are good, however the are not a one force american 'do it all' killing machine.

i can understand why you say the forgotten service, marines are asked to do more with less, WWII is a perfect example of that, they were on the back burner up until hitler was defeated. in no way do i think anyone here is discounting what the marines can do, in my opinion marines can go just about anywhere and do anything. but the reality is that they arent everywhere. the US marines and US army go hand in hand together, and that extends into their allies like the brits.

TJ really what youre proposing would be the same as going to the forgotten hope 2 team and saying: 'okay, i run a marine realism unit and have noticed that marines are only featured in the southpacific maps. Sometimes in map rotations, my squad and i end up on north african or european maps where our only options are the british or american armies, throwing in an option to change to marines would be great'.

Now while that may be possible, its not realistic. Beck has suggested that PR be based on and between the Gulf Wars, so marines could realistically be featured in Falujah(sp?) in the second gulf war, but not in a Mogadishu setting during the Black hawk down event. having marines in Mog would infact be going against your marine realism unit.

I'm not going to make another comment after this because frankly I don't see what the issue is. All the mods I've ever used on my servers allowed for the admin to decide what features would be on and which would be off. I'm only asking or seeing if that can be done here.

I'm told it can be... but no one else seems to like having OPTIONS. Yes, I want a realism mod... yes my boys are realistic and militaristic in nature... but I'm not going to go with a mod that causes them to give up on that realism or give up on ever playing specific maps.

The community is going to want options that THEY can choose from. That's the best aspect of a mod... picking and choosing what they want to suit their style. If you make a mod that is black and white, you're going to get people that like it and use it, or people that hate it and wont. Why not make it grey, and allow the haters to remove what they don't like, and the people that like ALL of the options to use them.

Food for thought.

TJYoung80234 wrote:The problem I'm seeing is everyone is saying, "We will make the Marines realistic"... but they also say, "They'll be on amphibious maps and the Army will be...".

The Marines are not JUST an Amphibious force. You guys don't understand the magnitude of what the Marines are capable of. This is the same problem with Hollywood, and the gaming industry... they don't understand Marine Corps doctrine at all.

Well, I said that as one example. If we produce a map representing a battle where the Marines were the primary force on the ground, no matter how far inland, they will represent the US faction on that map.