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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM2PA2JhjTw

you shouldnt be invincible. you should fear.

Sneak Attack wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBJ8e_IVOO0

that MI-24 is about 1000000000x tougher then a cobra, and that SA-7 fucked that ***** up!

Nice video. Guess YouTube has everything these days.

1. Was that an SA-7 or SA-18 Grouse as some1 wrote? It does look different from the SA-7 pics I've seen.
2. Did the target go down or fly away? The quality sucked not to mention the camera guy. It looked like it went down. Not sure. But damn. That looked painful.
3. That'll teach the Russians to sell their hardware to their enemies.

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Once and for all, Allah Wakbar means "Allah is Great". Not "God is Great". "God" in arabic is ILAH or ELAH. Get over it people.

Sorry last 2 points are a bit off topic. But the last one is important just to clear things up. So many people spamming Allah Wakbar every time they IED something. Then some1 else asks "what does that mean"? Then some know-it-all types "God is Great". Allah Uakbar means "Allah is Greatest" btw.

The translation of Allah is literally "The One to be worshipped".
So if you are going to role-play, then do it properly!
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Anyways, just give me an IR jammer and then I'll be happy.

does one rpg destroy a cobra. because today i got shot down by a singe rpg it just disintegrated me

The SA-7 is weak imo. It takes no skill from either heli or plane pilot to avoid being shot down.
The warhead is not big but it is directed.
Wikipedia: "1.17 kg (0.39 kg HMX) directed-energy blast fragmentation"
Further, the seeker is passive and wont trigger the radar-lockon-warning in aircraft.
I.e. No warning untill the missile hits you, or if you detect the launch.

The helicopter in that "Mi-24 vs. SA-7" video looks more like a Mi-8 transport helikopter. Pause the movie at 0:35 and look at the tail section. Could be the angle and low quality that plays tricks though.

A RPG-7 Should take down a Cobra in one shot. And i think it does?
Would be a nice pencil-size hole in one side and out the other after a successfull hit.

The Mi-24 or Mi-8 does not just blow up. In the video I saw it looked like it was going down relatively slowly and possibly could have landed safely. Well as safely as could be expected. The SA-7 did not insta kill the chopper. Most modern military choppers have many failsafes. Dual engines, back up hydraulics. Other than a shot directly on the cockpit or the tail, most birds could either limp back home or crash land.

'[R-DEV wrote:eggman']

So far most of the aircraft casualties I have seen on Al Basrah are A-10s hitting buildings.

haha how true.

If you move all the time you will dodge all RPG's and you can also dodge Sa-7 if you move+drop flares, i like all the changes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAWn9r7TPLg

Determined wrote:The Mi-24 or Mi-8 does not just blow up. In the video I saw it looked like it was going down relatively slowly and possibly could have landed safely. Well as safely as could be expected. The SA-7 did not insta kill the chopper. Most modern military choppers have many failsafes. Dual engines, back up hydraulics. Other than a shot directly on the cockpit or the tail, most birds could either limp back home or crash land.

wooly-back-jack wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM2PA2JhjTw

you shouldnt be invincible. you should fear.

watch that link please, its 7minutes yeah..but watch and listen.

killallhomies wrote:If you move all the time you will dodge all RPG's and you can also dodge Sa-7 if you move+drop flares, i like all the changes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAWn9r7TPLg

Man it's good to get a pilot that hovers nicely for you, I hate the ones that keep moving too fast and don't have VOIP.

DirtyHarry88 wrote:Man it's good to get a pilot that hovers nicely for you, I hate the ones that keep moving too fast and don't have VOIP.

Yeah, that was me and my friand flying, he is the gunner and im the pilot, but it works with our game style to fly around like that, but some times we hover 3-400 meters from the flag shoting insurgents that don't even know we are there

Best position is about 200 metres away from the flag 100 metres altitude. Using zoom, you can hit them but their RPGs are out'a range.

LOL @ "Allah Wakbar". I've seen "Aloha Akbar", "Allahu Akbar" and "G'day Mate".

I flew the BH, took a hit from the SA7 and it disabled the BH. Demio and I fell to our deaths as the BH blew upon contact with le ground.

El_Vikingo wrote:Best position is about 200 metres away from the flag 100 metres altitude. Using zoom, you can hit them but their RPGs are out'a range.

LOL @ "Allah Wakbar". I've seen "Aloha Akbar", "Allahu Akbar" and "G'day Mate".

I flew the BH, took a hit from the SA7 and it disabled the BH. Demio and I fell to our deaths as the BH blew upon contact with le ground.

sry to hear about your tragedy

RPG-7 should wax any helo in one shot, and more than likely a SA7 would kill it or force an immediate landing.

TII wrote:RPG-7 should wax any helo in one shot, and more than likely a SA7 would kill it or force an immediate landing.

Wrong.

'[R-DEV wrote:eggman']..

I disagree with current Sa-7 damage. As a pilot you have no Idea where the sams are, I think their damage should be reverted to 0.506, only lock should be improved.

On the other hand, FLAK autocannons should be even stronger than they are now. They cannot be moved and every pilot can learn their positions and attack them with "closed eyes"

Determined wrote:Wrong.

LOL, then enlighten me.

I guess my dad doesn't know what he was talking about when he got shot down by a B-40 rocket (AKA RPG-2) that didn't even detonate in the Spring of 1971 then? Just the kinetic impact alone killed the transmission in his OH-6A.

Here's what's left of the "Iron Butterfly" after being hit in the face with one during a sapper attack at Ahn Khe. Yeah, I guess you'd just keep on flying on your merry way after that eh?

pwned


its possible to make that , when a sa7 hit you , the engine burn and the only way to survive its land very quickly ?

a rpg would disable to rotors ( like when a rpg disable the turret of a tank ) so you only can jum if you wana live

Its allah ackbar. Go to iraq and listen to them screaming it as they shoot AP AK47 rounds at you from the next room over. Also, ask your Iraqi translator what it means and he'll tell you 'God is Great'.

TII wrote:LOL, then enlighten me.

I guess my dad doesn't know what he was talking about when he got shot down by a B-40 rocket (AKA RPG-2) that didn't even detonate in the Spring of 1971 then? Just the kinetic impact alone killed the transmission in his OH-6A.

Here's what's left of the "Iron Butterfly" after being hit in the face with one during a sapper attack at Ahn Khe. Yeah, I guess you'd just keep on flying on your merry way after that eh?

Where did the RPG2 strike? Also that was in 1971. Don't know if you noticed but it is now 2007. Things have changed much in the world of military helicopters. Also the fact that your father is alive today to tell the tale proves my point even more.

Determined wrote:Where did the RPG2 strike? Also that was in 1971. Don't know if you noticed but it is now 2007. Things have changed much in the world of military helicopters. Also the fact that your father is alive today to tell the tale proves my point even more.

RPG round hit in the engine cowling, left a dent the size of a watermelon in the side of the airframe. Forced an immediate emergency landing into a a rice paddie because the transmission was shattered. Luckily, they were so low the rocket didn't have time to arm itself, and thus it didn't detonate. If it had, he probably wouldn't be alive and neither would I. Cobra covered their egress and the company ARP was called in to secure an LZ and prep the bird to be carried out by Sky Crane.


And, no, not much has changed since 1971. The vast majority of helicopter downings come from nothing but small arms fire. All it takes is one round into an oil or hydraulic line and you are done. Any rocket impact to the tail boom/tail rotor = goodbye *** end of airframe and uncontrollable spin. Any hit to the cockpit = goodbye pilots. About the only way a chopper is going to survive is if it gets hit in the belly, and even then the guys in the back are going to be blown to bits and more than likely a crash will still result. You guys have been watching too many hollywood movies. I'll take the word of a 36 year veteran pilot and DFC recipient over wikipedia anyday.