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Guerra wrote:G3 really is too European a gun for MEC to be using.

Not true.

Guerra you are right! The U.S really should stop using the Fabrique Nationale M240B/C and M249 then shouldn't they? It is a very European gun after all.

whats the standard calibre of the mec amy?

I just made a thread exactly like this 2 weeks ago. Whatever happend to the mp-5, mp7, p-90, pp-19, and type-85? Would't it be realatively easy to make those the crewman kit weapons?

77SiCaRiO77 wrote:if the mec use 7.62 why his specops rifle use 5.56 ??

that is imo a mistake. If anything the British spec ops should have it rather than the current C8/SFW/M4/whatever it's called

Deadmonkie, sig.

'[R-MOD wrote:eddie'] Guerra you are right! The U.S really should stop using the Fabrique Nationale M240B/C and M249 then shouldn't they? It is a very European gun after all.

The US and Western Europe are allied.

The Middle East and Western Europe is not.

Huge difference from the US using European weapons and MEC using European weapons.

Every Marine is a rifleman.

77SiCaRiO77 wrote:if the mec use 7.62 why his specops rifle use 5.56 ??

Spec Ops tend to have a wider selection of weapons than regular units. Anyway, it's a bit of a mistake. If I'm not completely off here, I think the HK53 was put in until we can get a more "proper" weapon.

Guerra wrote:The US and Western Europe are allied.

The Middle East and Western Europe is not.

Huge difference from the US using European weapons and MEC using European weapons.

And Russia is in Europe, at least partly. The G3 is currently licence-produced in Iran, so your point's non-existent.

KP wrote:Based off Pakistan and Iran? Since when?

Since they ( with Saudi Arabia ofcource ) are the only countryes in the middle east whose armyes are armed with G3's

KP wrote: Supplied by NATO? Since when? Just because they're buying weapons originally made in Germany, they are not supplied by NATO. FYI several countries make the G3, just like the AKs. And being supplied by a country means that this country would ship weapons to them for free (or return favours/political support, etc.). Buying them is something else. Please distinguish between these terms.

Point taken , I'll explain what i mean : It's well known fact that allyes & pro-NATO countryes are armed with NATO weapons . Iran used to be US ally till 1979 & Pakistan is still in good relationships with US .

KP wrote:Or maybe you just misinterpreted my use of the term "7.62 NATO weapons" and thought that I was talking about weapons supplied by the NATO? In that case I can inform you that 7.62 NATO is a calibre, namely the 7.62 x 51 round that the G3 takes.

thx , I'm not retarded , I know what is 7.62 NATO .

KP wrote:AKs are accurate? So? The G3s are damn accurate as well.

The main point against AK's on almost every forum I know is that they are inaccurate .

KP wrote:But they are made by a NATO country, which you don't seem to like...

Really ? I have nothing against NATO or any it member

KP wrote:PKM? Why? It doesn't go with the 7.62 NATO weapons.

PKM's are very common GPMG's in the middle east . They come from China & Iranian Defense Industries Organization

KP wrote:And, to quote a Dev: the G3 is here to stay.

I have nothing against G3 , but I'm pretty sure that MEC SF & MEC crewmen needs something which comes in 5.56\5.45 or 7.62x39 , with folding stock and which is wide spread in the region ..

Guerra wrote:Personally, I'd like to see MEC with the FN FAL

Me 2 , but none of middle east countryes exept Israel use FN FAL

p/s another point against H&K53
Why should MEC ( with all the money they earn from selling oil ) purchase outdated weapons for their army ?

Longbow* wrote:Since they ( with Saudi Arabia ofcource ) are the only countryes in the middle east whose armyes are armed with G3's

Buying stuff? This is not now, it's in the future. The G3 is a good weapon.

Point taken , I'll explain what i mean : It's well known fact that allyes & pro-NATO countryes are armed with NATO weapons . Iran used to be US ally till 1979 & Pakistan is still in good relationships with US .

Mhm, so? Maybe the MEC was allied with NATO once. Anyway, that doesn't have anything to do with the G3.

thx , I'm not retarded , I know what is 7.62 NATO .

Not everybody does. It was just that you mentioned NATO, so I thought you might have misunderstood "7.62 NATO weapons"

The main point against AK's on almost every forum I know is that they are inaccurate .

Yeah, I know. But the G3 is a highly accurate weapon; there's no way around that.

Really ? I have nothing against NATO or any it member

Wasn't saying that, just that you seemed to "prefer", for lack of a better word, Soviet weapons.

PKM's are very common GPMG's in the middle east . They come from China & Iranian Defense Industries Organization

Yeah, still doesn't fit in with the 7.62 NATOs.

I have nothing against G3 , but I'm pretty sure that MEC SF & MEC crewmen needs something which comes in 5.56\5.45 or 7.62x39 , with folding stock and which is wide spread in the region ..

Agreed, they could use a shorter weapon, but not necessarily an AK. How about a G3KA4?

p/s another point against H&K53
Why should MEC ( with all their money they earn from selling oil ) purchase outdated weapons for it's army ?

Why would the US use the M16? It's so old! The age doesn't prevent them from working damn well. I think it should be replaced, though. And we are after all talking about a fictional army in the future, so who knows? Maybe they've even started making them again...

My points in red.

the m16a4 ISNT so old , the g3 is .

77SiCaRiO77 wrote:the m16a4 ISNT so old , the g3 is .

if I'm not mistaken the m16a2 is used too.
But yeah, the m16a4 isn't that old.
And you just have to remember, old does not equal bad. Like for example the ak-47, it's a very old weapon but I'd say that it's still one of the best ones.

77SiCaRiO77 wrote:the m16a4 ISNT so old , the g3 is .

The design is the same as it was 30 years ago, they've just made minor improvements. The same goes for G3 and the AK series (except for the newest models, of course).

Wow...sorry for posting this and having it get out of hand, I was just curious. I don't care about MEC using the G3 (sort of surprised me in a positive way), or anything there abouts I was just curious as to why the lack of SMG/Carbine was decided on.

And MEC shouldn't use P-90; It's an FN weapon and I like to too much

Expendable Grunt wrote:Wow...sorry for posting this and having it get out of hand, I was just curious. I don't care about MEC using the G3 (sort of surprised me in a positive way), or anything there abouts I was just curious as to why the lack of SMG/Carbine was decided on.

And MEC shouldn't use P-90; It's an FN weapon and I like to too much

Yes, the G3 threads tend to go that way, and it always ends up with a moderator saying, "The G3 is here to stay. Locked."

the pilot in Xtract mode uses the MP7, id like to see it in the crewman kit (or pilot kit) permanently

reviving old topic, dev's wanna pitch any information on if this will change?

because seriously, you give someone a tiny smg, and they arent going to be with the saw gunner putting rounds down range.

Played Kurfah today and was in a tank on last flag as mec, got out of my tank before a round landed in it and blew it up, so i start shooting people... got about 5 kills before i died... this really shouldnt be the way a tanker fights if he has to get out, that's not his role nor should it be.

I would guess that it will be changed (in a similar manner to the Grenadier weapons) when there is one for all the factions (M4/L22/P90/QBZ-95B). And as thats a low priority dont expect it any time soon.

G.Drew wrote:the pilot in Xtract mode uses the MP7, id like to see it in the crewman kit (or pilot kit) permanently

But crewmen don't use an MP7...