Seals?

[Cerberus]

I guess I'm the only person who gets annoyed the hell out of at the wide-spread usage of "Seals" as opposed to "SEALs"

[Maistros]

No, I'm in your boat also.

[SiN|ScarFace]

I don't see what the point would be other than being able to say there are SEALs in the game. Esp in a huge battlefield like Bf2, they are not a force that would be riding into a random battle with Marines.

[Maistros]

Again, the point of having a limited specops class would be to represent the realism in direct support missions. Any "huge battlefield" missions are supported by special operations. They don't ride into random battles with Marines, they make it safer for the marines ahead of time. So, in this case.. and especially with the new commander assets.. they do have a vital and important role if played right.. they can do a lot of damage behind enemy lines and take out important enemy assets... and should be able to do so without being detected.

[SiN|ScarFace]

It's an interesting idea, but I doubt it will play well in game.

[=*CLA*=StudMuffin21]

Maistros']Again, the point of having a limited specops class would be to represent the realism in direct support missions. Any "huge battlefield" missions are supported by special operations. They don't ride into random battles with Marines, they make it safer for the marines ahead of time. So, in this case.. and especially with the new commander assets.. they do have a vital and important role if played right.. they can do a lot of damage behind enemy lines and take out important enemy assets... and should be able to do so without being detected.

But why the SEAL's? Isn't it supposed to represent U.S. Marine Corps?!

For a Special Forces unit to be realistic it should at least be equipped with the correct name (yes, yes, I know...the Navy is connected with the Marines). If PR is depicting USMC, then make the S.F. group Force Recon. Or even Green Berets (as they're more likely to assist regular infantry than the SEAL's - or so I believe).

And by gosh!! Dev's: If you're going to eliminate the current Special Forces class and put into works a different "style" of S.F. kit, then please give them an objective, and make it so they can complete that objective.

[G.Drew]

^ a not bad idea

[Maistros]

There will be objectives for them.. and PR is depicting more than the USMC, they are depicting the combined armed forces. USMC, Navy, Army, and Airforce are all in.

[Bob_Marley]

I guess I'm the only person who gets annoyed the hell out of at the wide-spread usage of "Seals" as opposed to "SEALs"

Not the only person, but I usually use it as an excuse about how the US is the only country in the world to train is SF troops to balance beach balls on thier noses rather than fight wars.

[DavidP]

ON a more serious note,

*clears throat* it would be pretty awesome, if anyone has played bf2 for ps2 or xbox there was one really kick *** map called 'black gold'

US had a small beach head with a tonne of boats, 2 black hawks & 1 little bird.

MEC had controle of 2 out of 5 flags on the oil rig,

'twas a friggin sweet map, since all the floor was mesh you could shoot down and up, plus all the gantries and pipes and crane arms made for some brilliant tactics and hiding spots. + you could also climb underneath the rigs on the metal walk ways and such underneath the main platform. there were towers, buildings, crates etc.

THAT MAP ROCKED, i was part of a knife fighting clan, we would challenge other clans to knife fights on the rig until we 'pwned' them too much and they had to use guns, so we had to 'pwn' them again until they left...

Thankyou for making me remember the good old times

Thank you! Thank you for actually replying in a serious manner And bringing this thread back to what i wanted it to be.(A discussion on the possiblitiy of a new side in the game)

I guess I'm the only person who gets annoyed the hell out of at the wide-spread usage of "Seals" as opposed to "SEALs"

I'm sorry about that.

[=*CLA*=StudMuffin21]

Maistros']There will be objectives for them.. and PR is depicting more than the USMC, they are depicting the combined armed forces. USMC, Navy, Army, and Airforce are all in.

Ah ok...that's news to me. I thought it was strictly USMC. Will the other forces be more pronounced in later versions then? Cause as it currently is I see most the emphasis on the Marine Corps for "standard" stuff, and SEAL's for "special" stuff. Will the Army (weather it be general or S.F.) and Air Force (weather it be general or their version of S.F. - commonly known as PJ's) be introduced and noticeable?

[Maistros]

Yes, PR is introducing a whole US Army faction to be in certain maps where the Army would be more likely to operate than the Marines. (non-coastal maps)

The way it breaks down is ground inf/vehicle is Marine/Army - Coastal Assistance (Air transport, carrier support) is Navy - Air assets are Air Force

With only a couple vehicles and a static ship representing the Navy, if we can get specops to be a limited kit enough for one squad only then I think it should be the "SEALs" but will most likely not be named anything other than "special ops" just to avoid the annoying tear-filled forum posts about "why aren't they delta??!?!?!waaaahhhh!!!"

Although I would like to see them use the SEAL soldiers from SF for the special ops kits...

[=*CLA*=StudMuffin21]

So I'm gonna pick your brain. Aside from the fact you'll soon be a SEAL, why do you think they should depict the SEAL's over Force Recon, Air Force PJ's, or even Green Berets?

[Dylan]

There's a mod like that coming for ArmA.

SWLBTCM2: Sharks With Laser Beams Total Covnersion Module
http://www.opnorthstar.com/images/wip/lasershark.jpg
http://web.mit.edu/yermie/www/images/lazershark2001.jpg
http://users.adelphia.net/~33h3q/shark.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v505/ ... -gator.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/oyman/shark9.jpg

I swear to God there was a Youtube video of it, but I can't seem to find it
Don't think It'll ever be released either :/

I followed it for a while. Only 1 of the 3 are still working on it. The mods were about to lock the thread until they proved they were serious about it... Everyone believed it was a joke.

[Maistros]

Basically, the SEALs operate with all branches of service. They'll operate with the Army, or the Marines. The Air Force's Combat Controllers usually don't do the types of missions that would be created in PR. They're usually involved in the rescue of other special operations units.

Army Special Forces have their own unique tasking, and rarely find themselves in situations where they would need to assist the USMC in a combined assault. In fact, it's even rare that they go out with any larger unit at all. Rangers, usually.. if at all.

Marine Force Recon, while being the primary special operations unit of choice for the USMC would not be doing missions for the Army or in direct correlation with the Army. Pretty much the two like to keep to themselves.

Navy SEALs are currently the only, broad spectrum special operations unit that operates on a regular basis with all branches of the military. At some time or another, everyone has worked with everyone, but the SEALs do it consistently. This way, in-game.. they can be used cross USMC faction AND with the upcoming US Army faction as well. So instead of creating two separate "specops" for each group.. one Force Recon and one Delta/Green - SEALs can be used in a neutral fashion while "balancing" the representation of each service in PR's combined depiction of the US Military.

At least that's my thoughts on the subject. I'm not a DEV. Take it for what it's worth.

[DirtyHarry88]

What can we expect for ze British then?

[Gaz]

Maistros']No, I'm in your boat also.

Ok. Get the f**k outta the boat.

Damn freeloaders

[Gaz]

OMFGWTFBBQ??11!! Fire breathing mofomuncher kill3r heatsheeking bomber seal!

[HABO3]

The only American SOF unit (I don't know too much about the Brits) that would make any sense ingame would be Rangers, they're light infantry and they get tasked with Direct Action missions more than any other SOF unit. However, the American side is USMC and that would be even weirder to have Rangers fighting with Marine Infantry as opposed to the Enduring Freedom lookin SF guy that's in game now.

Many of the skills that Special Forces are so highly trained in (observation, intelligence gathering, logistics, communications, fire support, training and advising foreign armies, linguistics, knowledge of world cultures etc.) don't come into play in a fast paced tactical shooter like PR. And it's pretty much the same with Force Recon, lots of specialized skills that don't fit into FPS's. Navy SEALs might make sense on maps that have coastlines and rivers but I wouldn't be feelin them on land ops.

Some of the descriptions in this thread make it sound like SOF units go in fighting right alongside the infantry. It happens sometimes but in one book I just finished reading for instance, the Delta teams took long hard treks up to Afghan mountain peaks and did nothing else but spot enemy positions and coordinate effective close air support missions for 101st and 10th Mountain troops inserting into blocking positions down in the valley. That's more in line with how they fight in conjunction with conventional forces.

[Cerberus]

The only American SOF unit (I don't know too much about the Brits) that would make any sense ingame would be Rangers, they're light infantry and they get tasked with Direct Action missions more than any other SOF unit. However, the American side is USMC and that would be even weirder to have Rangers fighting with Marine Infantry as opposed to the Enduring Freedom lookin SF guy that's in game now.

Some of the descriptions in this thread make it sound like SOF units go in fighting right alongside the infantry. It happens sometimes but in one book I just finished reading for instance, the Delta teams took long hard treks up to Afghan mountain peaks and did nothing else but spot enemy positions and coordinate effective close air support missions for 101st and 10th Mountain troops inserting into blocking positions down in the valley. That's more in line with how they fight in conjunction with conventional forces.

At the moment, "USMC" represents US forces in general. I agree that it would be akward to have Rangers fighting alongside Marine infantry, though.

Anyone remember Deuce6? He was in just a regular Stryker brigade and I'm pretty sure he worked alongside SEALs and other SOF.