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mammikoura wrote:btw, just interested.
How many of you guys who seem to know everything you need about recoil have actually fired a weapon before?

El_Vikingo wrote:Recoil isn't the same for everyone.

HK SL8 5.56x45 (.223 Remington)

sekiryu wrote:5.56 NATO and .223 Remington are technically different catridges...

El_Vikingo wrote:Recoil isn't the same for everyone.

SethLive! wrote:..

After the low recoil of .4 compared to .3, .5 has increased the recoil of a number of weapons for both single shot, burst and automatic fire.

In general, this change has been recieve very well by players (my self included) due to the increased requirement to take time to aim, general improvement in realism overall and balance.


However not all the recoils in .4 had a negative affect on realistic gameplay. The main example being the lower (compared to .3) single shot recoil on all assult rifles. This enabled players to fire both quickly but stil remain a decent level of accuracy in single shot mode. This inturn enable players to put down sustained suppressing fire becuase of the combinattion of high accuracy and continued fire made sticking your head up suicidal. This is turn, when combine with squad co-ordination made it possible to suppress the enemy with a great deal of ease and flank them. This tactic being at the heart of all modern warfare - should be encourage through gameplay mechanichs/features.



In .5 it appears specificaly for the M16 that the recoil is identical to .3 for both single shot and burst. This equates to an overall fairly significant increase in recoil for the weapon. The G3 also had an increase but this reflects the high powered round it fires, namely the 7.62mm.

This does seem appropriate when most other weapons recieved an increase in recoil HOWEVER 1) when directly compared to the new chinese assult rifle and 2) supressing fire tactic commented above, one questions this increase in recoil

1) The chinese rifle, i believe (but please correct me) fires a calibre round identical or very similar to the M16, however in game, it appears to have much less recoil when fire in single shot mode compared to the M16 in single shot mode. So why is this so, is my judgement wrong, is their a realistic reason due to the rifles design OR does one rifle actualy have too little or too much recoil???????

2) THe increase in recoil has meant that sustained single shot fire is much less accurate and the rate at which accurate fire can be put down is hugely less. This has inturn has meant putting down effective (not suppressing fire, but effective suppressing fire - does its job) has become amazingly more difficult. Therefore this inturn has meant the suprress and flank tactic significantly harder use - BAD NEWS!!!!!


I also realise the decreased in Support recoil has enabled suppressing fire to be put down more accurately by 1 man. But why the decrease in recoil for this weapon? Well becuase this reflects the fact that in real life they have stands/biopods of some kind to stabalize the weapon while firing in automatic mode when resting on top of an object. The BF2 engine can no fully simulate 2 different iron site recoils (what you see move) so a balance must be found, reflecting the ablity to lay down sustained but reasonably accurate fire while prone (.4 failed however .5 recoil enables such to happen).

But, 1 support per squad is generaly the max you can have. Therefore squads rely heavily on the standard assult rifle for suppressing fire. But in the case of the M16, it can not be fully relied upon to do so.

So inconclusion i ask that the Developers consider decreasing the M16 recoil to equal to .4 levels or greater but less than .3 levels.

And the reason for asking it is simply because overall there are just so damn many guys in the internet who think they know everything. Talking all about how this gun is good and this sucks because of the accuracy/recoil/reliability/etc and they have never even shot a weapon before. (and I'm not talking about this forums, I'm talking about the whole internet)

if PR is going to make the M16 semi-auto fire with lower recoil, then they should do the same for other rifles

VipersGhost wrote:I just think they should make the guns as equal as possible to their real world counter parts. I dont like all of this "balancing" talk about..."well if they lower the 5.56...then they should lower the g3 too"....that is garbage that doesn't belong here unless its realistic. I dont care if it makes one gun better than another. The complete #1 focus of this mod is realism...and the gunplay is definitely something they can adjust and its probably already being done. Realism first...everrything else is just nonsense for the most part.

SethLive! wrote:first, please read my whole post before calling down firey judment upon me.

I think all 5.56 guns should have a slight recoil reduction when firing on semi-auto. IRL, american soldiers 'double tap' enemys but in pr this is impossible, because of the high recoil of 5.56 guns on semi. The problem with this is that semi would be used as a full auto at medium ranges. one solution for this is to make the gun "go back down" after the shot. currently every time you fire, you have to re-aim your gun by dragging it down after every shot.

devs, is it possible to make 5.56 guns go back down after the first shot, but not go down all the way if you shoot too rapidly? GRAW has a dynamic recoil system that i really like. you can double tap easily enough, but the gun becomes uncontrollable when you shoot is full auto or too fast of semi.
dont get me wrong, i like the fact that the gun does not 're-aim' itsel for you when you shoot, but 5.56 guns should be able to double tap.

P.S. i think 7.62 recoil is perfect right now. I also think 5.56 full auto recoil is perfect to.

PRC_Heavy_Z wrote:Yes, the whole point of PR itself and all these weapon recoil/accuracy/whatever's focus is try to bring realism, glad you made the wonderful discovery , and maybe you should read my post and put some thought into what I am actually saying. No where did I say "we should balance the weapons so they are all monotonously similar (sarcasm)", What I said was that if they are going to add a general firearm characteristic into the game, they shouldn't give only a certain gun or type of guns this characteristic and ignore the rest, that has NOTHING to do with “balancing” the way you mentioned it.

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