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'[R-DEV wrote:Rhino']there is more than one insurgant group in the world you know? Our flag represents them all

Your flag represents Chechz Rebels!

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i would like to see the insurgent flag from SF used in PR to

Why does this matter so much to you guys? 80% of the time the flag is underground anyway. I think this idea has no merit.

What do you mean underground? It does appear on the map and hud though.

KomradePedrovsk wrote:What do you mean underground? It does appear on the map and hud though.

Most of the time, when I walk up to a flag it's hidden underground, albeit there are some above. I guess I just don't pay attention to the hud, and on the map, I just look for either a white flag or our flag.

nidpants wrote:As far as I can tell, every insurgent or militia force could conceivably be radically Muslim or a radical splinter group (even the european/Russian guys could be either Chechen or Serbian radicals), so i don't think a black flag with Shahada on it would be out of place. On another note, I would love to see an MEC vs. Insurgent map; that'd be an interesting match up to me.

But just a black rectangle would be more appropriate to me than the catchall Fist With Knife On Red.

You don't want to turn this into a western vs muslim mod.

The insurgents are middle eastern insurgents *not* muslim insurgents. Although I agree that the chances of insurgents in the middle east being muslim are high, I still think that making them as an "assumed faction" is very not cool.

If we were portraying a real life conflict (ie: bosnia, chechnya, iraq, etc) - we could use the armies that participated in that conflict and i wouldn't complain.

But assuming that insurgents will be a certain religion is something that can give PR some very bad press or much worse. Let's stay out of that ballpark.

Artnez.com wrote: The insurgents are middle eastern insurgents *not* muslim insurgents.

When a insurgent throws a molotove cocktail he shouts "Allah Wackbar", that pretty much states that they're muslims.

Artnez.com wrote:You don't want to turn this into a western vs muslim mod.

The insurgents are middle eastern insurgents *not* muslim insurgents. Although I agree that the chances of insurgents in the middle east being muslim are high, I still think that making them as an "assumed faction" is very not cool.

If we were portraying a real life conflict (ie: bosnia, chechnya, iraq, etc) - we could use the armies that participated in that conflict and i wouldn't complain.

But assuming that insurgents will be a certain religion is something that can give PR some very bad press or much worse. Let's stay out of that ballpark.

Agreed, it's a sensitive issue and should be treated delicately. I'd rather leave it like vBF2 than piss people off. But if the flag in some way portrayed that they're Muslim, which the current crescent-and-star does anyway, I'd prefer it to feel less contrived than the Islamic Cuba flag we have now.

I don't think assuming that an insurgent faction is Muslim is offensive, nor do I find it offensive that they're proud of that.

Artnez.com wrote:You don't want to turn this into a western vs muslim mod.

The insurgents are middle eastern insurgents *not* muslim insurgents. Although I agree that the chances of insurgents in the middle east being muslim are high, I still think that making them as an "assumed faction" is very not cool.

If we were portraying a real life conflict (ie: bosnia, chechnya, iraq, etc) - we could use the armies that participated in that conflict and i wouldn't complain.

But assuming that insurgents will be a certain religion is something that can give PR some very bad press or much worse. Let's stay out of that ballpark.

Have you already seen the green flag with the crescent in the 2nd page? That's an official Insurgent flag from the BF2:Special Forces expansion pack.

I haven't seen EA/Dice getting in very bad press for that, so why not use that one, or at least use a different one to differentiate from the Militia? I see no reason not to.

Also that green flag with the crescent is already in the game in the Insurgents' pouches.

'[R-DEV wrote:Rhino']

that is the BF2:SF insurgants flag on the map.

Yes, that flag. Why wasn't that the flag chosen for the Insurgents in PR, rather than the Chechnyan Rebel flag? After all they are both from the same source, the BF2 Special Forces exp pack, but used for different armies.

austinwetherby wrote:Insurgents flags in real life have a black flag with white lettering. And a white flag with black lettering with Arabic say "la ilaha illa Allah". I think to make it more realistic we should incorporate these into play.

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ZZEZ wrote:When a insurgent throws a molotove cocktail he shouts "Allah Wackbar", that pretty much states that they're muslims.

Can't believe the ignorance of this. First of all, the expression is "Allahu Akbar" which means "God is Great". Maybe have the Western Countries scream "Praise be to Jesus" before they run into battle? No doubt lots of soldiers pray before they go into battle, regardless of their country of origin.

Anyways, they are freaking insurgents, they don't even have a commander and you think they should have a flag? That's just absurd. It's not like MEC, which is a professional army (Although fictional), it's just a band of ragtag rebels with no real command structure.

So, doesn't matter what flag they have, as long as it's not the same flag as their opponent. The red flag with the dagger in fist is generic, but does the job. Each "insurgent" or "Terrorist" organization has their own distinct flags.

Hezbollah: http://www.meib.org/images/emblem_hezbollah.jpg

Hamas: (Arguably not a terrorist organization, but they have a militant wing) http://www.palestine-info.co.uk/am/uploads/hamas.jpg

and Al Qaeda doesn't really have a set logo I don't think.

Anyways, it's all trivial details. Just ease up on the ignorant assumptions about what "terrorists say" because you saw it in a movie or some video clip.

Agreed, I don't think we need to choose specific flags for the Insurgents either... but now with the introduction of the Militia in I think we could at least have different flags, they aren't the same group. All what is necessary really is to just use the SF's insurgent green flag, just like the SF's rebels red flag was used for the militia.