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Darn you discovery channel for feeding me bad information!

Damn!! Now that looks like I thought it would...those other guys were much more prepared for that recoil. This is why I hated seeing us virtual soldiers sprinting around blazing with full-auto(7.26) +sidestepping FAST and being very effect in CQB...but hey now thats fixed with realistic movement I think the scope jump could be more but it's not the biggest problem in the game. Is the G3 truely dominant against the M16 and L80 ingame? I don't have enough games under my belt to give a good answer to that.

VipersGhost wrote:Is the G3 truely dominant against the M16 and L80 ingame? I don't have enough games under my belt to give a good answer to that.

I have a pretty terribly, rubbish, often missing all shots, bad aim with the M16, and just bad with the L80, but the G3 ... 7-0 ratio in about 10 mins until someone called a sniper on me. It is the easiest gun to use. You can take out almost anyone with one hit to the chest. If they aren't down instantly, there heavily bleeding. Often against USMC, to combat the scopes, the enemy go Spec Ops for the M4, which means it is 100% 1 hit kills to the torso as no one has any body armour.

Like I said before, I feel like a bit of a cheat using it

Wow...I wonder if thats the general consensus. Would that hold up to RL standards? Maybe recoil needs to be increased on the G3...maybe its not even about the recoil...it could just be THAT much better of a gun. Does the M16 have any advantages to the G3? Is it more accurate or just has less recoil? If accuracy is the same at 300yds then it seems like the gun is just that much better....I think I'd like to see more recoil on that thing though. I would think the scope jump would be pretty damn significant and full-auto recoil should be fairly inaccurate when firing from the hip\shouldered

0.607 recoil for the G3 certainly needs increasing. full auto its way too easy to control.

VipersGhost wrote:Does the M16 have any advantages to the G3?

One, and that is that it can hold more bullets (30, 10 more than the G3), but other than that, its out classed in every way.

The M16 and L85 both have 30 rounds per magazine, so you've got an additional 10 shots before you have to reload. And that adds up when you compare total round counts, an MEC rifleman carries 180 rounds with him, while the equivelent USMC or British rifleman carries 270 rounds. With the change in the way resupplying ammo works in v0.6 that will become a much more serious advantage. It'll mean that if you fight clever and stay in cover you'll be able to make the MEC soldiers use up their ammo before you run dry. Also, for fire an manuver, ammunition expenditure is often very high (in tourney training exercises and firefights we regularly run dry by the end of a bounding advance where the fireteams take turns to lay down suppressing fire), and the MEC troopers will run dry that much faster.

I think its a fair trade off, personally. Especially when the US get the M16A4 in v0.7 and the ACOG sight it brings.

Nah, I am probably not the best to discuss it with. There are going to be people who have heaps more experience than I. I only served as a stupid conscript for nine months and was in the artillery so we did not spend all that much time on the firing range.

WW2 M1 - brutal, noisy and difficult to control when firing rapidly

The M1 (and M14) will have alot more muzzle climb than a weapon with a pistol grip.

Not when both the Army and Marines are in the process of switching over their weapons to M4s and M16A4s, respectivly.

Until Colt's contract goes out, or the Defense Department grows some brains and moves on to some better rifles.

To highlight how bad other weapons compare to the G3 ... argh, the last round turned me into a whining little kid. Everyone was being sniped by G3's, after about 30mins of being sniped, I finally killed someone with the M16 ... stole their G3 instantly, then racked up 6 kills instantly, with one mag. I hate that gun, it makes me feel like a cheap whore!

Lothrian wrote:[...]makes me feel like a cheap whore!

mmmMmMmMm cheap whore.

I'd hate to see this become a big issue AFTER the final release. Now is the time to take a hard look at it. Would that kind of G3 ownage take place IRL? If not why then? Would more recoil even the odds and bring in more realistic values to the gun? I'm sure the dev's have heard this arguement before...it'd be nice to hear their perspective again now that actually testing of the mighty G3 has taken place. I personally think we need more recoil on the thing.

Its the new M4 ...

Exactly.

Anyway, the G3 uses a bigger bullet doesn´t it? 7.62xsomething which is much more powerful than th 5.56 that the M16 uses. I have watched a youtube video where they compare a M16 to an AK47 (not exactly the same I know) and while the M16 made a crack in a concrete block the AK almost destroyed it. The AK was a bit less accurate, and had a more recoil. I think its ok in game, I don´t know enough about the G3 to say otherwise. Sometime though, even if you are controlling the recoil, it doesn´t mean the bullets are going all in the same place.

The recoil is fine, on the scoped one I find it completely uncontrollable.

DirtyHarry88 wrote:The recoil is fine, on the scoped one I find it completely uncontrollable.

Same. On full auto atleast.

Alex6714 wrote:Exactly.

Anyway, the G3 uses a bigger bullet doesn´t it? 7.62xsomething which is much more powerful than th 5.56 that the M16 uses. I have watched a youtube video where they compare a M16 to an AK47 (not exactly the same I know) and while the M16 made a crack in a concrete block the AK almost destroyed it. The AK was a bit less accurate, and had a more recoil. I think its ok in game, I don´t know enough about the G3 to say otherwise. Sometime though, even if you are controlling the recoil, it doesn´t mean the bullets are going all in the same place.

they both use different rounds, the AK-47 uses the 7.62x39mm and the G3 uses 7.62×51 NATO the quality of the ammo varies aswell

This could very well be, I've definitely noticed that you can't use the full-auto with a scope. I put together a very comprehensive report on the recoil values of the M16-AK-G3 in a post last night. I dug all over the net and did a bit of cross referencing to help with the accuracy of the info.
http://realitymod.com/forum/t23299-recoil-stats-of-g3-and-m16references-included.html

So basically the M16 has very very little recoil, this .223 rnd is what you show your 10y old kid brother how to shoot on because the recoil wont scare him. The AK 7.62 is 75% more than that and the G3 is a 4times that of the M16. I was surpised to see how small the AK round was in comparision to the G3. The G3 fires a sniper rifle round basically, accounting for its lethality and accuracy. I think the G3 recoil should be pretty close to the M14 as their rounds are similar. The M14 doesn't have a pistol grip, but I think that is neglidgable in reducing recoil THAT much except when firing full-auto+no scope use.