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TheParadoX wrote:By any chance, was this guy named "Sexie" ?

I dont know. Like i said i was on the other team, I did'nt know who it was.

I don't fucking care about cheaters in Battlefield 2. I've seen some cheating movies with cheats from Murder Cheats Inc. and man, their aimbots were shit. I think a good (not pro) Battlefield 2 gamer can aim as good as one of those gay aimbots. Sometimes it's just luck or a good player. Sometimes I kill 20 people in a row, without dying, sometimes i die 5 times in a row, killed by the same guy.

Wallhacks are also worthless shit if you use the UAV and keep looking around.

Alex

btw. I registered at their forum to see what they're writing (Stats padding, etc.). Got banned at the first day. ^^

letz spamz0r th3ir f0rumZ!!!

I've never seen a cheater in PR and only one in BF2. (Loads in source games, but that's another story) I have had a few dodgy deaths where guys seemed to have almost insane aiming, but I'd say it was more a mix of luck/skill than "l33t h4x".

I've long since suspected Punkbuster is pretty much a moot point when it comes to PR, or any other BF-based games that doesn't end in 2142. We had one fellow on Desert Storm as Insurgents this morning who went 72-11 with a AK. Pretty much stopped our entire Canyon assault cold by himself. He had about 38 kills when the Canyon fight started, and got to 72 pretty easily afterwards. He headshotted me from a good 200 yards away while sprinting through smoke parallel to his position a few times, and i'd watch his scoreboard as his kill count would hit streaks of two or three kills in the manner of a second or two. Like watching a car's odometer tick over. USMC would rush into the Canyon and fall over like they hit some kind of tripwire. No big rank. Just a one-stripe Private.

We were running rampant over Insurgents before he got that nice bottleneck to camp at. Soon as he left, for whatever reason, we broke through with no tickets left to make the push. Cheesed me off to no end, because we had the win in our sights, and it wasn't a fair loss.

TheParadoX wrote:By any chance, was this guy named "Sexie" ?

yeah...I have been watching him also...there are two options....

1 he is the best PR player...his scores are amazing.

2 he is a cheater

we dont have evidences ....then I have to think he is the best PR player in terms of killing ratio right now

NAME AND SHAME
Now admins will look for "sexie" but without this thread he would be anonymous.
If you are falsely accused then step and explain.
Most of what I heard hear is not hacking it's lag and hit boxes but when somebody is racking up 30:1 KDR and nobody else is getting anywhere near that ratio then we need to look.
The private messages to Admins are OK but the names need to be public.
If you are innocent then that will be revealed but there are hackers in PR and so far they don't stay long.
Why ?
Because we out them in public and ALL the server admins look for that guy.
Stop being such namby pamby pablum puking wimps and stand up !

David.Podedworny wrote:Link??? (I post alot there)

The one where you say you support apartheid and then keep calling him gay.

ArmedDrunk&Angry wrote:NAME AND SHAME
Now admins will look for "sexie" but without this thread he would be anonymous.
If you are falsely accused then step and explain.
Most of what I heard hear is not hacking it's lag and hit boxes but when somebody is racking up 30:1 KDR and nobody else is getting anywhere near that ratio then we need to look.
The private messages to Admins are OK but the names need to be public.
If you are innocent then that will be revealed but there are hackers in PR and so far they don't stay long.
Why ?
Because we out them in public and ALL the server admins look for that guy.
Stop being such namby pamby pablum puking wimps and stand up !

Guilty until proven otherwise. That is an awesome[/sarcasm] way of doing things.

Again, if you suspect someone of cheating, take it with the admin directly and privately. Server admins need to have a private place to exchange informations. Now that all server admins have to register to get a server license, setting up such an information exchange forum is quite an easy step (if it doesn't already exist).

Once it is proven that a player is an hacker, you can publicize it all you want. Other than that it's totally defamatory to publicly accuse someone of cheating.

In my opinion, any threads accusing players of cheating publicly should be moved to the private server admin forums and the poster should get an official warning.

Witch hunts are as bad for a community as elitism; if not even worse.

More people cheat, exploit, and hack on Battlefield 2142 than on any other game in the Battlefield series. Being a devoted BF2 player, and owner of 2142 I can tell first hand this is true.

You are accused, not judged guilty.

And the rules of evidence don't apply here anyway.

The simple fact is that contacting a an Admin is not as easy as posting on the forum and so most people won't bother.

God knows we wouldn't want a witch hunt.

Which, by the way, I haven't seen in over a year on these forums, almost everyone accused turned out to be guilty.


Elitism is a blessing.

There is nothing wrong with being playing well and expecting others to do the same.

This is not Commie central where we are all equal.

This is a competitive game and some are better than others.

Your opinion is a widely held one but one I feel stems from a lack of aggressiveness and need to please everyone.

IF someone is falsely accused then there are no repercussions at all because the Admins won't ban w/o proof so really there is no harm-no foul.

I don't think defamation laws apply to game forums and it's not like anyone makes money on their reputation and stands to lose something if they are accused of cheating.

In the past when one person mentions a name and all of a sudden lots of other people chime in with their experiences and -----> BINGO admins look and he gets banned.

I do not support the UN-style of dealing with cheaters.

Don't call them hackers because they didn't hack the program, they bought a hack so they could cheat.

I was (wrongly) using the word "elitism" point out the attitude where people think of themselves as better than any one else and hammer down any new players not having the same level of knowledge and experience (of the game or of real life) as them. Those who will insult and personally attack new players instead of helping them getting better.

Bad elitism is wanting everyone not at your level to go away. Good elitism is helping people not at your level to reach that level, for the good of the game and the community. But I'm pretty sure you knew very well what I meant.

Considering the subject at hand, there is a very thin line between the judgment and the accusation. Being accused publicly in the community and having your name being (wrongly) spread around is, in my opinion, worse than the "sentence" of being banned form servers itself.

And yes, laws apply to forums as well. The Internet is not some kind of gray zone where no laws are applicable.

Yahwhay wrote:I've never seen a cheater in PR and only one in BF2. (Loads in source games, but that's another story) I have had a few dodgy deaths where guys seemed to have almost insane aiming, but I'd say it was more a mix of luck/skill than "l33t h4x".

http://forums.dvbsquad.com/forumdisplay.php?f=33 (not all are cheaters, eveidence is posted with each busted chearter.)

i wish i could have the same faith in humanity as you. how ever you will find a number of cheaters that we have busted here.

and FYI, we have a few that are still very active in the fourms at the moment. i notice none of them have posted in this thread yet though.

Private messages: Use them! Keep your dirty laundry at home.

I saw 4 Cheaters in PR:

1.
There was one Player who shoot me 5 Times in a row, im prone in high gras and crouching, he´s standing 150 Metres away with his APC. I´ve tryed 5 times from different angles to reach the APC, he always needed one shot if i where in firing Range. No other Enemy has seen me before or his Commander, cause his Commander was a friend of mine.

2.
I´ve tryed to bypass Enemy Troops, cloaked with Trees and high Gras....1 Enemy waited at a good Position and shoot me. After respawn i´ve tryed another Route....the same Player shoot me again.
We´ve lost the Round, i was the last Player, hidden far away from a Flag....the same Player coming to my postion and shoot me.

3.
I was Commander, using my Zoom and looking what my Troops are doing. There was One Player who always knows where the Enemys are.....he´s got prone in the right Time, he´s waiting at a Corner and eliminate a enemy Squad, he´s found very good hidden RP. And the most of his Targets wasn´t spotted by friendly or me before.

4.
A Sniper in my Team where on the Crane on Steel Thunder, he´s shooting Enemys who coming from Village. I´m climbing up the Ladder to bring him Ammunition, he´s looking at Village all the Time, suddenly he´s turnig around and shooting 2 Enemys who´s coming from Storage. We´ve had no Commander at this Time, he where not in a Squad, the both from Storage wasn´t spotted before. A few seconds later he´s turned to North and shooting 1 Enemy coming up from the River, not spotted before.......and so on.

Be sure, there where Hackers/Cheater in PR and BF2.

The fin between skilled Player and Cheater is very small, but its possible to recognize Skill or Cheat. In PR it´s easier like in BF2 or other Games.

geogob wrote:I was (wrongly) using the word "elitism" point out the attitude where people think of themselves as better than any one else and hammer down any new players not having the same level of knowledge and experience (of the game or of real life) as them. Those who will insult and personally attack new players instead of helping them getting better.

Bad elitism is wanting everyone not at your level to go away. Good elitism is helping people not at your level to reach that level, for the good of the game and the community. But I'm pretty sure you knew very well what I meant.

Considering the subject at hand, there is a very thin line between the judgment and the accusation. Being accused publicly in the community and having your name being (wrongly) spread around is, in my opinion, worse than the "sentence" of being banned form servers itself.

And yes, laws apply to forums as well. The Internet is not some kind of gray zone where no laws are applicable.

The PR community is pretty good at welcoming new players and helping them learn the ropes but, at least in my case, not particularly tolerant of people who demand things, insult the mod or generally disturb the game because they didn't bother to read the manual.

Yes, there is a thin line, but a line nonetheless and what exactly would be the damage if I posted the scoreboard and showed that while everyone else had 20 kills and 9 deaths, one player had 70 kills and 5 deaths ?

The laws of criminal evidence DO NOT apply to internet forums and the laws that do apply vary widely from jurisdiction to jurisdiction so libel and defamation would be almost impossible to prosecute even in an English court.

Question: What is the legal definition of defamation?

Answer: The elements that must be proved to establish defamation are:
(1) A publication to one other than the person defamed;
(2) of a false statement of fact;
(3) which is understood as being of and concerning the plaintiff; and
(4) which is understood in such a way as to tend to harm the reputation of plaintiff.

I don't think any of those apply to accusing a person of cheating.
If you don't have a screenshot of a score then it is a baseless accusation and will not be taken seriously and so there is no harm
If you do have evidence......well then you will be banned as server admins have no obligation to any rules of evidence.
I can ban you from my server for any reason I choose.


Name them and shame them and they won't come back.
It has worked for at least a year.
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W4chund wrote: 1.
There was one Player who shoot me 5 Times in a row, im prone in high gras and crouching, he´s standing 150 Metres away with his APC. I´ve tryed 5 times from different angles to reach the APC, he always needed one shot if i where in firing Range. No other Enemy has seen me before or his Commander, cause his Commander was a friend of mine.

2.
I´ve tryed to bypass Enemy Troops, cloaked with Trees and high Gras....1 Enemy waited at a good Position and shoot me. After respawn i´ve tryed another Route....the same Player shoot me again.
We´ve lost the Round, i was the last Player, hidden far away from a Flag....the same Player coming to my postion and shoot me.

Undergrowth does NOT render at distance.
So while you thought, you were safe in that grass, others could see you clearly, as if you held a big "shoot here" sign

Hide behind trees

I've been seeing more and more suspicious activity lately

At Mestia:
Being killed from nowhere, then seeing someone run by my body, shooting randomly into the brush and hearing my teammates die over and over. He was using an SKS rifle. I think he had 9 kills against my squad in this bush with that weapon..against spawning UK troops with full auto. I really don't believe he was in line-of-sight but I cannot prove it. I think he was using some sort of auto-aim as he ran through the brush.

Jabal:
Guy came around a corner while I was crouched, insta-proned, and killed me in 1 shot. I haven't seen anything like that happen since I quit BF2. Another seemingly auto-aim move.

I don't pay attention who's doing these things nor do I worry much about them at the time, but I have noticed things are getting weird in the field now.

Now if Vanity had included someone's name with that little evidence I would agree with geobob and say that you need more proof.

We have to be vigilant about cheaters because the lack of kill names gives people the impression that they are anonymous and can get away with cheating.
Insta-prone kills really suck and I hate them but for the moment there is nothing that can be done about it.

Mestia ..... sad to say some of us have been playing a while and I for one, will just shoot into likely areas.
It may suppress and who knows it may just kill you.

ArmedDrunk&Angry wrote:
Mestia ..... sad to say some of us have been playing a while and I for one, will just shoot into likely areas.
It may suppress and who knows it may just kill you.

exactly.

Possible he was just good with the SKS so it's not really worth the effort of getting upset. We need to just see if a trend is developing or not before we start calling out cheaters. I play at least 1 hour each day on TG and IGI....I haven't seen anything more than recent strange occurrences but I'll pay more attention.

Then we both agree on that. "I've been shot" is hardly a valid evidence